Bloomberg: Cops should frisk minorities more than whites... Sharpton: I am outraged...

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Finally something I can agree on Bloomy with.
BC-US--NYPD-Oversight-Bloomberg
Jun 28, 7:14 PM EDT
NYC mayor: Police stop minorities 'too little'
By JENNIFER PELTZ
Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) -- Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Friday that police "disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little" as compared to murder suspects' descriptions, sparking criticism from activists and some politicians in a city that has been immersed in a debate about law enforcement and discrimination.

Speaking on his weekly WOR-AM radio appearance, Bloomberg echoed an argument he has made before: that the stops' demographics should be assessed against suspect descriptions, not the population as a whole. But coming a day after city lawmakers voted to create a police inspector general and new legal avenues for racial profiling claims, the mayor's remarks drew immediate pushback.

The measures' advocates accused the mayor of using "irresponsible rhetoric," some mayoral hopefuls chastised him and some City Council members said his remarks only emphasized the need for change.

"Our mayor's comments prove he just doesn't get it," said Councilman Robert Jackson, who co-chairs the council's Black, Latino and Asian Caucus.

Bloomberg spokesman Marc LaVorgna said the critics were "fabricating outrage over an absolutely accurate comment."

"What they should be outraged by is the number of minorities who are being killed and that successful police efforts to save minority lives are being hampered," he added.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly noted separately Friday that more than 90 percent of people killed or shot in the city are black or Hispanic.

"The cops' job is to stop (people in) the groups fitting the description. It's society's job to make sure that no one group is disproportionately represented as potential perpetrators," Bloomberg said earlier in the show.

The group Communities United for Police Reform called Bloomberg's view misinformation, noting that most stops aren't spurred by suspect descriptions. Police department records of the stops also list such reasons as "furtive movements" or suspicious bulges in clothing.

"Mayor Bloomberg should cease with the irresponsible rhetoric and seek to work with the council on a constructive path forward," said Communities United for Police Reform spokeswoman Joo-Hyun Kang.

Public Advocate and mayoral candidate Bill de Blasio sent supporters an email rapping Bloomberg's remarks, while fellow contender and City Comptroller John Liu issued a statement calling them "insensitive, outrageous, and just plain weird." Rival and former City Comptroller Bill Thompson, who is black, termed Bloomberg's comments insulting and called on him to apologize.

"What he seems to indicate to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been unnecessarily stopped and frisked is, `We're sorry we didn't stop more people,'" Thompson said.
Rev. Al Sharpton chimed in today:
BC-NY--NYPD-Oversight-Bloomberg-Sharpton
Jun 29, 8:29 PM EDT
Rev. Al Sharpton calls on NYC mayor to apologize

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Rev. Al Sharpton has called on Mayor Michael Bloomberg to apologize for comments he made Friday about law enforcement and race.

Sharpton said Saturday the mayor should clarify or apologize for saying police "disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little" as compared to murder suspects' descriptions.

Sharpton said the remark wrongly implies whites are being victimized.

A spokesman for the mayor had no comment Saturday. He said Friday critics were fabricating outrage.

Nearly 90 percent of New Yorkers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked in recent years were black or Hispanic. These groups comprise 54 percent of the city population.

Bloomberg says the appropriate comparison isn't to the population, but to the suspects' descriptions. More than 90 percent of killing suspects are described as black or Hispanic.
The first two lines of the Rev. Al song are very fitting tonight:

 

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I hate to break it to people but profiling works.

If they'd stop committing all the crime people wouldn't
assume blacks are guilty of doing something wrong.

It's not racist, you just have to learn to act like fucking
human beings and stop with the "thug life" culture.
 

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I hate to break it to people but profiling works.

If they'd stop committing all the crime people wouldn't
assume blacks are guilty of doing something wrong.

It's not racist, you just have to learn to act like fucking
human beings and stop with the "thug life" culture.
Fourth Amendment, Fourteenth Amendment. End of argument.
 
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I hate to break it to people but profiling works.




White guilt TV commentator reaction, it could also be applied for anyone taking GZ's side on the trial over at HLN, unfortunately there are no mouth agape reactions from Jenny Hutt on Google or that would have been my first choice.
 

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Fourth Amendment, Fourteenth Amendment. End of argument.
Easy to get around. The TSA can frisk anyone before getting on an airplane. Don't want to get frisked and your luggage through the x-ray machine? Then don't fly. NYC can just set up stop and frisk checkpoints at the subways and trains. Or at the entrances of certain buildings and require a stop and frisk in order to enter.

Stop and frisk is basically like a DUI check point for pedestrians. They stop everyone and let you go after a few seconds of checking to see if you're breaking the law. Are you against DUI checkpoints? Normally I'd be against stop and frisk like I'm against the incompetence at the TSA. But the stats show that stop and frisk genuinely works.

You sacrifice some small convenience for an enormous amount of safety with stop and frisk. Whereas the TSA is almost all sacrifice of convenience with almost zero added safety.
 

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I'll allow it only if jews are considered minorities. Time to get frisked, clipped-dicks.

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I hate to break it to people but profiling works.

If they'd stop committing all the crime people wouldn't
assume blacks are guilty of doing something wrong.

It's not racist, you just have to learn to act like fucking
human beings and stop with the "thug life" culture.

In a sane world my friend, this would be spoken word for word on every newscast on every channel.

But that will never ever ever ever happen.

Politically correct guilty white liberals refuse to accept reality for what it is. I'm sure a couple of them deep down know what the deal is, but they'll never admit it.
 

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NYC can just set up stop and frisk checkpoints at the subways and trains. Or at the entrances of certain buildings and require a stop and frisk in order to enter.
That's not what stop and frisk searches are. The stop and frisk searches are conducted randomly on public property. The problem with them is that they're racially biased and are executed in the absence of any and all probable cause and without a warrant.
Stop and frisk is basically like a DUI check point for pedestrians. They stop everyone and let you go after a few seconds of checking to see if you're breaking the law. Are you against DUI checkpoints?
Fuck yes. DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional for the same reasons as the stop and frisk searches; they're warrantless searches executed without probable cause.
Normally I'd be against stop and frisk like I'm against the incompetence at the TSA. But the stats show that stop and frisk genuinely works.
I'm skeptical about those stats, but let's go with that premise for a second and say that yes, stop and frisk searches are an effective crime prevention method. Indiscriminate, indefinite incarceration would be a highly effective method of crime prevention too; that doesn't make it a good thing or in any way ethical.
You sacrifice some small convenience for an enormous amount of safety with stop and frisk.
That school of thought makes me fucking sick. It's not just our convenience; it's our civil rights. Black and Hispanic individuals shouldn't be held responsible for the misdeeds of other black and Hispanic individuals. Even more than that, cops (and citizens) shouldn't get acclimated to these searches or come to view them as normal, reasonable, or anything other than abuse.
Whereas the TSA is almost all sacrifice of convenience with almost zero added safety.
You forgot that you sacrifice your privacy and dignity too.
 

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In a sane world my friend, this would be spoken word for word on every newscast on every channel.

But that will never ever ever ever happen.

Politically correct guilty white liberals refuse to accept reality for what it is. I'm sure a couple of them deep down know what the deal is, but they'll never admit it.
It doesn't what the deal is. Cops have limits imposed on their power by the Constitution for a reason. When those limits are ignored, innocent people wind up in the crosshairs of overzealous police officers. As I've said before, you can't be tough on crime without also being tough on the wrongfully accused and the maliciously prosecuted.
 

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I'll say it again. Yes, stop and frisk works. Yes, it's unconstitutional. They need to find another way to target high crime groups for extra scrutiny.
 

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S&F is absolutely unconstitutional, but it's the only thing that works to keep the nogs under control. It just plain works... where every other bullshit "community policing" effort fails miserably, S&F works... miraculously well.

The blaycks refuse to follow the rules of polite society, so fug 'em... they don't deserve the freedoms and privileges the Constitutional rights our polite society offers them.

The "injustice" of S&F is debatable, but the efficacy of it is not. It just plain works.

S&F WILL be stopped in NYC... count on it. White guilt WILL get that done... and done soon. NYC WILL suffer when that happens, and the black community in NYC WILL suffer most of all when S&F is no longer there to save them from their own worst enemy... themselves. The murder rate in NYC WILL skyrocket to Chicago and Philadelphia levels when S&F is stopped... count on it. The blacks-against-productive-citizens crime rates WILL soar, and the reality of that will be ignored by donning the white guilt blinkers and blindfolds. Property values is "diverse" neighborhoods WILL plummet, and that will also be ignored and/or written off as a consequence of "the economy". The black-on-black slaughter rate in NYC WILL soar when S&F is ended... but, just like in Philly and Chicago, nobody will give a shit.

...Mod edit... Last paragraph removed for trolling.
Stop trying to bait someone into an argument using the notification system.
 
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Easy to get around. The TSA can frisk anyone before getting on an airplane. Don't want to get frisked and your luggage through the x-ray machine? Then don't fly. NYC can just set up stop and frisk checkpoints at the subways and trains. Or at the entrances of certain buildings and require a stop and frisk in order to enter.

Stop and frisk is basically like a DUI check point for pedestrians. They stop everyone and let you go after a few seconds of checking to see if you're breaking the law. Are you against DUI checkpoints? Normally I'd be against stop and frisk like I'm against the incompetence at the TSA. But the stats show that stop and frisk genuinely works.

You sacrifice some small convenience for an enormous amount of safety with stop and frisk. Whereas the TSA is almost all sacrifice of convenience with almost zero added safety.
Bzzzt! # 1) the subway checkpoints aren't stop and frisk, they are random bag checks. They have a table set up and they ask random people to let their backpack, etc to be swiped with a card which is inserted into a sensor device. Takes about 15 seconds.
Sometimes they ask you to open your bag and they look in. They don't rummage around.

Bzzzzt! #2) Stop and frisk aren't checkpoints. You can be walking down the street and cops will just stop you, whether they are on foot or in a vehicle, and give you a little turnout.

And yes, stop and frisk works.
 

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They have a table set up and they ask random people to let their backpack, etc to be swiped
That sounds very polite. And if you decline their offer for a swipe, then what?
 

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That's not what stop and frisk searches are. The stop and frisk searches are conducted randomly on public property. The problem with them is that they're racially biased and are executed in the absence of any and all probable cause and without a warrant.

Fuck yes. DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional for the same reasons as the stop and frisk searches; they're warrantless searches executed without probable cause.

I'm skeptical about those stats, but let's go with that premise for a second and say that yes, stop and frisk searches are an effective crime prevention method. Indiscriminate, indefinite incarceration would be a highly effective method of crime prevention too; that doesn't make it a good thing or in any way ethical.

That school of thought makes me fucking sick. It's not just our convenience; it's our civil rights. Black and Hispanic individuals shouldn't be held responsible for the misdeeds of other black and Hispanic individuals. Even more than that, cops (and citizens) shouldn't get acclimated to these searches or come to view them as normal, reasonable, or anything other than abuse.


You forgot that you sacrifice your privacy and dignity too.
Keep in mind that the "victims" of S&F, and the "community organizers" who want it stopped, don't really give a shit about any of the sound "white man" arguments you are making here.

They don't care about privacy, or dignity, or constitutionality, or any of that.... they may say they do, but they really don't.

All they care about is banishing the humiliating reality that S&F works. Reality is racist, and it must be stopped.
 

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That sounds very polite. And if you decline their offer for a swipe, then what?
They won't let you through the turnstile. If you run up the exit stairs, they usually have 2 cops ready to intercept. The. They have true probable cause, I suppose.
 

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Politically correct guilty white liberals refuse to accept reality for what it is. I'm sure all of them deep down know what the deal is, but they'll never admit it.
Fixed
 

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Sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.
But you're okay with security checks at airports? Subway checks are random. Maybe 1 in 50 get stopped.

Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to ride the subway or airplane?
 

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But you're okay with security checks at airports? Subway checks are random. Maybe 1 in 50 get stopped.

Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to ride the subway or airplane?
I have never once said that I was okay with the TSA checks at the airport. I also never said that I have a constitutional right to ride an airplane or the subway. So, that being said, if I happen to refuse to have my bag searched at the turnstile entrance at the subway and decide to turn around and go back up the stairs and leave, I should be allowed to without running into the Stasi at the top of the stairs. Me turning around and leaving is NOT probable cause to be stopped and searched. Not even fucking remotely is it close to being probable cause.
 

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Imagine what NYC would be like if they respected and revered the whole Bill of Rights.
 

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I have never once said that I was okay with the TSA checks at the airport. I also never said that I have a constitutional right to ride an airplane or the subway. So, that being said, if I happen to refuse to have my bag searched at the turnstile entrance at the subway and decide to turn around and go back up the stairs and leave, I should be allowed to without running into the Stasi at the top of the stairs. Me turning around and leaving is NOT probable cause to be stopped and searched. Not even fucking remotely is it close to being probable cause.
I said if you RUN ;)
 

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But you're okay with security checks at airports? Subway checks are random. Maybe 1 in 50 get stopped.

Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to ride the subway or airplane?
Actually subways are different than airplanes, in that they are public property.