Discussion in 'Current Events' started by lajikal, Dec 7, 2012.
Oh look, the unions found something the US is still competitive in. Time to change that, huh?
I used to live close to a Boeing plant. Every time they went on strike, you could wait a few weeks, then go to the pawn shops that ringed the edge of the plant and pick up some great bargains.
Boeing has offered a four-year contract with raises of 4 percent to 4.5 percent each year for SPEEA engineers and 3 percent to 3.5 percent for technicians. The workers got 5 percent raises in the contract that expired last month, and they have since asked for 6 percent annual
Yes another union not in touch with reality. I can not tell you the last time I got a 4% raise without switching jobs and they were getting 6%.
Yeah, they really are out of touch with reality these days.
Ohhhhhhh fuck you. I'm going to be lucky to get 1%.
I was supposed to get a 30% raise in 5% a year increments to bring me up to market for the area. That worked for exactly 1 year, and then nothing for the 6 years after that. They finally broke loose with a 7.5% this year, so by my math, I'm still 30% under market since inflation is 8-10% year over year.
I'm sure there are a lot of engineers that just finished college that would love to have a job at Boeing. These idiots will never learn.
Time for Boeing to move to a right-to-work state.
If you're really "below market", then you should have no problem putting your services out on said market and getting the salary you deserve.
But I have a feeling that the market changed since back then, and now you're up to market without the raise.
they tried, the 0bama NLRB sued them
I hope Airbus takes all their business
Long term, it doesn't really matter anyway. Airbus has started building their planes in China, which means in another 20 years a Chinese company will be producing all of the world's planes.
I don't look forward to flying in a plane made of lead paint and aluminum foil.
GM had the right idea by refusing to let Saab sell out to the Chinese. They knew that within 5 years, the market would be flooded with counterfeit GM parts.
They did, See 787 plant in Charleston SC, Non union by employe vote.
I meant something more along the lines of "move the entire damn company to an (or many) right to work state(s).
One plant isn't going to save Boeing.
your right, but the plant is already expanding, they have bought more acres and have opinions on many 100's more, this shit is in our daily paper ALL the time. The only reason that we got the final assembly plant is that Boeing bought the company that was making the mid body part and the workers de-certified the union when Boeing said that they were looking to open a plant somewhere that wouldn't strike and fuck up billion dollar contracts, So welcome 3000+ good jobs to SC.
Yeah but the next time they tried to build another plant, the Seattle unions stopped them. It wasn't even a replacement plant, but an additional one.
I had no idea actual engineers with EE degrees were unionized anywhere. At Raytheon and I believe Lockheed-Martin they're salaried.
Problem is, people from blue states will just move where the jobs are. And then, they'll proceed to vote for the same policies that forced them to move. That's why WA is getting fucked up: people moving in from California and voting for California style politics.
I suspect that Boeing will just have to cave to the unions, and eventually end up relying on bailouts, just like GM. Companies just don't have a choice. Unions have too much power.
(said with deep southern accent) Not in South Carolina, BOY. What are you, one of those New York Jews!
I don't think ex-Californians caused Washington's problems. Areas of Oregon, Idaho, and Montana, sure... but both Portland, Oregon and Seattle are very liberal naturally, probably more so than any area of California with the exception of San Francisco/the Bay Area
GM has opened more plants in china than anywhere else
most of their engines are being built there. I think they are going to be bigger there than here soon
look norf, the NYC libs are taking over Norf Carolina
I'd like to see a study of migration. How many people in WA and OR grew up in California? We already know population migrations are away from the liberal hellholes.
Based on what I've seen, when people leave California they usually go to more rural areas... not cities like Seattle or Portland. Ashland, Oregon has a big gay community that originated from San Francisco.
In Idaho I think Californians go to areas like Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley, and Twin Falls.
Portland and Seattle I think evolved (devolved?) into liberal cities without any help from California. A study would be interesting though.