Bringing it all together

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
Apr 27, 2005
40,284
7,454
438
The Inland Empire State
#1
I hate to add another thread to the many scattered threads over speculation of the boys, but I couldn't help myself. Here's a few points that I think a lot of intelligent people have made but many people overlook.

1. O&A enjoyed their greatest success in afternoon drive time. I know mornings is "where it's at" as far as ratings, advertising revenue, and prestige go, but we all know their show is not conducive to the typical morning format these days. What are most people's commutes like these days? Typically no more than an hour? That leaves three other hours where MOST people are forced to listen to "safe" Morning Zoo type stuff at work. So even in a best case scenario, they're only getting 1/4 of possible ratings.

2. When they were syndicated in afternoon drive time, that gave them more opportunity to do better the farther west you go. You notice that many of the first stations that started dropping O&A were places like San Francisco, Seattle, Sacramento, Vegas, Detroit and the lousy numbers in Cleveland and Chicago are because if the affiliates do the show live, it's too early in the morning and if they do it on a delay, you lose that "live" feeling. When they syndicated they not only got the afternoon drive listeners on the east coast, but a lot of people that work swing shift out west were able to listen in the daytime, as well as people that drive alone for their work like delivery people, postal workers, etc.

3. The current climate has SEVERELY stifled their creativity. They can't even say "Douchebag" on the air anymore? That has nothing to do with the FCC. With the current 24 hour news cycle any special interest group now realizes it has the power to dictate what goes over the air waves. It kind of started with the Janet Jackson incident, but then the Imus situation has dealt a death blow to not only terrestrial radio, but to all media in general.

4. The XM/Sirius factor. Before satellite radio, people that drove for a living were stuck with terrestrial. As soon as satellite became available, a lot of those people switched to satellite. Many of the "early adopters" of satellite radio were not technophiles but truckers and other people that had long commutes or drove for a living.

5. The XM factor part 2: Since O&A weren't on terrestrial when they came back, many hardcore fans jumped to XM and got spoiled with the uncensored nature of it.

6. The XM factor part 3: XM seriously dropped the ball when it came to promoting the O&A show and still do. Had they properly promoted them early on, they would not have lost nearly the market share to Sirius that they did. I know it sounds 'grandiose' to suggest such a thing, but we've heard they're the highest rated show on the platform. When it came down on which satellite radio to buy, MLB fans got XM, NFL fans got Sirius. Throw those two out and both services are essentially the same. Stern got all the publicity while the boys got nothing.

7. The layoff of two years really affected the boys a lot more than people think. Sure, hardcore fans came back, but many casual listeners got "hooked" on other shows, hence the popularity of your Preston and Steves, Mancows, Bob and Toms, and Free Beer and Hot Wings. People get comfortable in their routines and when a nationally syndicated radio show evaporates, local shows have a chance to infect their listeners with their own strains of viruses.

8. Ipods and music downloading has crippled the radio industry segment far more than the record companies. The only reason the record companies have fared better is that they have embraced the new technologies. Meanwhile, terrestrial radio has only recently tried to come on board, but it's a too little too late. I mean O&A couldn't even promote their own website for the past year? And CBS finally comes on board with OandaRadio.com? What a joke. All that site does is redirect to Krock's NY website. Nice job CBS. You had a chance to finally cater to the local listeners and fans of various affiliates and totally screwed that up.

9. The social and political climate has also affected the ratings in a way that I haven't heard anyone mention yet. Only a few years ago it was just Rush Limbaugh that was getting huge ratings on the political talk radio format. Now the list is peppered with names like Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Randi Rhodes, and Al Franken. Even Dennis Miller has a show now. That just shows how the current political climate and the Iraq war has come to steal ratings away from more traditional shows.

10. In summation, yes Virginia, I'm afraid controversial and irreverent morning talk radio is dead, unless it is dealing with left wing vs. right wing political babble. And at least as far as terrestrial radio is concerned. Gone are the days of being able to entertain audiences in a comedic way lest you might offend someone that might know someone who knows someone who would have been offended.

So for fans of O&A, the writing is on the wall, the floor and the ceiling. IF the merger goes through, their best chance is probably to move to afternoons if they choose to stay at all. If the merger does not go through, hopefully they will be content with playing to a lesser audience but with more creative freedom. With the World Series just starting up you have to ask yourself is it better to be a superstar on a losing team or just a star with a championship?
If you made it this far, give yourself a shiny gold star...
 

ImAlrightSpider

I paid $2 a month for O&A and I LIKED it!
Feb 20, 2006
824
1
0
Natick, MA
#3
I do not disagree with the original points. However, I am hesitant to jump on board with your conclusion. I do not agree that they should bow down to Howard if the merger goes through.

To tell the truth, I always have thought that O&A are better in the afternoon. For me, part of their appeal was listening to them talk about their night-lives. Now, they have no night-lives because they have to go beddie-bye. We also enjoyed the "hanging-out" aspect of the afternoon show where people would drop in and hang on air for a while. Who is going to drop-in at 7:00 AM?

Disclaimer: I still enjoy they show (on WBCN) every day during my 1 hour commute. I will continue to do so for as long as they are on the air. I am not criticizing. I think that the boys are doing an amazing job conforming to the new broadcast standards that seem to be sweeping the airwaves.
 

Hog's Big Ben

Getting ass-***** in The Octagon, brother.
Donator
Jul 28, 2005
28,032
18,193
693
New York
#4
2. When they were syndicated in afternoon drive time, that gave them more opportunity to do better the farther west you go. You notice that many of the first stations that started dropping O&A were places like San Francisco, Seattle, Sacramento, Vegas, Detroit and the lousy numbers in Cleveland and Chicago are because if the affiliates do the show live, it's too early in the morning and if they do it on a delay, you lose that "live" feeling.
Huh? They were never on in Seattle or Sacramento and they're still on in SF & Vegas.
 
Dec 25, 2005
10,005
172
513
NJ
#5
I listen to replays. I'd rather Pm drive.. If you're not in to it for the money Op, go back to afternoons.

It won't be the same as NEW & the other syndicates in 2002, but I really think it's a better spot for the show. More people listening, different attitude both from the hosts & politically. They want to play Sesame Street in the mornings? Let em.

Otherwise, you just summarized practically every thread made by a member with an IQ over 55.
 

Hog's Big Ben

Getting ass-***** in The Octagon, brother.
Donator
Jul 28, 2005
28,032
18,193
693
New York
#7
They weren't dropped in Sacramento or Seattle prematurely back then, either. Sacramento even had to flip formats because of them getting fired for SFS.
 
Dec 25, 2005
10,005
172
513
NJ
#9
They weren't dropped in Sacramento or Seattle prematurely back then, either. Sacramento even had to flip formats because of them getting fired for SFS.
That detail I can't remember. They were on out there though.
 

Mags

LDAR, bitch.
Donator
Oct 22, 2004
35,478
12,204
693
Ill Repute
#10
1. O&A enjoyed their greatest success in afternoon drive time. I know mornings is "where it's at" as far as ratings, advertising revenue, and prestige go, but we all know their show is not conducive to the typical morning format these days. What are most people's commutes like these days? Typically no more than an hour? That leaves three other hours where MOST people are forced to listen to "safe" Morning Zoo type stuff at work. So even in a best case scenario, they're only getting 1/4 of possible ratings.
I can't disagree here. Maybe they should have gone afternoons first, get a bunch of people hooked, THEN switch to mornings. What do I know...I;m just a speculating ass.

2. When they were syndicated in afternoon drive time, that gave them more opportunity to do better the farther west you go. You notice that many of the first stations that started dropping O&A were places like San Francisco, Seattle, Sacramento, Vegas, Detroit and the lousy numbers in Cleveland and Chicago are because if the affiliates do the show live, it's too early in the morning and if they do it on a delay, you lose that "live" feeling. When they syndicated they not only got the afternoon drive listeners on the east coast, but a lot of people that work swing shift out west were able to listen in the daytime, as well as people that drive alone for their work like delivery people, postal workers, etc.
Again, can't argue there.

3. The current climate has SEVERELY stifled their creativity. They can't even say "Douchebag" on the air anymore? That has nothing to do with the FCC. With the current 24 hour news cycle any special interest group now realizes it has the power to dictate what goes over the air waves. It kind of started with the Janet Jackson incident, but then the Imus situation has dealt a death blow to not only terrestrial radio, but to all media in general.
It's not so much the FCC stifling them. It;s the CBS lawyers.

4. The XM/Sirius factor. Before satellite radio, people that drove for a living were stuck with terrestrial. As soon as satellite became available, a lot of those people switched to satellite. Many of the "early adopters" of satellite radio were not technophiles but truckers and other people that had long commutes or drove for a living.

5. The XM factor part 2: Since O&A weren't on terrestrial when they came back, many hardcore fans jumped to XM and got spoiled with the uncensored nature of it.
K...

6. The XM factor part 3: XM seriously dropped the ball when it came to promoting the O&A show and still do. Had they properly promoted them early on, they would not have lost nearly the market share to Sirius that they did. I know it sounds 'grandiose' to suggest such a thing, but we've heard they're the highest rated show on the platform. When it came down on which satellite radio to buy, MLB fans got XM, NFL fans got Sirius. Throw those two out and both services are essentially the same. Stern got all the publicity while the boys got nothing.
Agreed. XM has never supported O&A the way we had all hoped.

7. The layoff of two years really affected the boys a lot more than people think. Sure, hardcore fans came back, but many casual listeners got "hooked" on other shows, hence the popularity of your Preston and Steves, Mancows, Bob and Toms, and Free Beer and Hot Wings. People get comfortable in their routines and when a nationally syndicated radio show evaporates, local shows have a chance to infect their listeners with their own strains of viruses.
I think they lost a lot of casual listeners in those 26 months.

8. Ipods and music downloading has crippled the radio industry segment far more than the record companies. The only reason the record companies have fared better is that they have embraced the new technologies. Meanwhile, terrestrial radio has only recently tried to come on board, but it's a too little too late. I mean O&A couldn't even promote their own website for the past year? And CBS finally comes on board with OandaRadio.com? What a joke. All that site does is redirect to Krock's NY website. Nice job CBS. You had a chance to finally cater to the local listeners and fans of various affiliates and totally screwed that up.
CBS sucks dead Arab cock.

9. The social and political climate has also affected the ratings in a way that I haven't heard anyone mention yet. Only a few years ago it was just Rush Limbaugh that was getting huge ratings on the political talk radio format. Now the list is peppered with names like Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Randi Rhodes, and Al Franken. Even Dennis Miller has a show now. That just shows how the current political climate and the Iraq war has come to steal ratings away from more traditional shows.
Since 9/11 really...

10. In summation, yes Virginia, I'm afraid controversial and irreverent morning talk radio is dead,
Reduced in size, maybe but not dead.

So for fans of O&A, the writing is on the wall, the floor and the ceiling. IF the merger goes through, their best chance is probably to move to afternoons if they choose to stay at all. If the merger does not go through, hopefully they will be content with playing to a lesser audience but with more creative freedom. With the World Series just starting up you have to ask yourself is it better to be a superstar on a losing team or just a star with a championship?
If you made it this far, give yourself a shiny gold star...
Thanks, Clifford Cliche:icon_roll, I'm out on cornyness.

(I add nothing :haha7:)
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
Apr 27, 2005
40,284
7,454
438
The Inland Empire State
#11
I do not disagree with the original points. However, I am hesitant to jump on board with your conclusion. I do not agree that they should bow down to Howard if the merger goes through.
I don't think it would be bowing down to Howard to go back to afternoons. But I think most other people would probably see it that way.

They weren't dropped in Sacramento or Seattle prematurely back then, either. Sacramento even had to flip formats because of them getting fired for SFS.
No HBB is right. I wasn't referring to before S4S. I just was confused. The new O&A didn't get syndicated to Seattle like I thought, but I think the reason I thought they were on in San Francisco was because maybe the signal carried that far.

But they're on AM in both Frisco and Vegas, where they were on FM.
 

Tooz

Banging a big blocker
Jun 15, 2004
802
0
0
Jersey Shore
#12
the rating on terr. radio will always be affected because of the XM listeners. I could listen to Krock or could of listened on YSP since both come in down here, but I'd mush rther listen to the crystal clear XM feed plus I get a lil replay while they take the 20 minutes breaks every hour.
It also seems that the cbs part is more "work" for them. And then over at XM they kick they feet up and just do the hang and seem to really relax and have fun.
I love the show, and will listen when or wherever it is on. I seem to always get a good hard laugh each day. Even some of the replays make me laugh again.
 
May 24, 2005
528
0
166
Charlotte, NC
#13
For what the guys do, and do well, the current environment in terrestrial and two-show format doesn't work. They're great entertainers but you can't do cutting edge crap on regular radio. It's not worth even trying. I think the tone(s) of the show change too much between shows. They sound beat by the time they get to XM. An ipod doesn't affect talk radio because the talk changes every day. The ratings for some of the other talk stations are pretty good.

My guess is that something will change when the merger is done. If they stay at XM, and I hope they do since they probably aren't coming to Charlotte anytime soon, that is the sole outlet. The unrestricted format works for them. if they move to afternoons then that is fine with me.


The market seems to agree -- they aren't doing that great. But it's pretty obvious that a lot of people don't get or like the show for whatever reason. Its a number of factors but those two seem like the big culprits to me.
 

nataskaos

He's no good to me dead.
Jul 7, 2006
23,599
2,540
373
BFE
#14
<dude 1> man, look at this shit. I obviously have the answers to the questions that haven't been asked yet

<dude 2> fuck that, you're wrong about that shit. if - when - maybe - that shit happens, then this shit will happen.

stop with the fucking speculation. enjoy the show and enjoy being a fan. you mother fuckers are too cynical and don't have the answers to any god damned thing.
 

Pappagiorgio

Registered User
Feb 3, 2006
165
0
286
#16
Numbers 3 and 9 were happening before O&A signed with CBS, and they knew it.
 
Dec 25, 2005
10,005
172
513
NJ
#17
Overall, it seems to me that program directors & the rest need to realize that men 18 to 45 don't just listen to news/stocks, sports, and political shows.
 
R

Reichsmarschall

Guest
#18
Face reality. The show is fair at best and that seems to be apparent from the lukewarm reception in many of their markets. In many of the articles it states O&A were on as many as 11 stations when the CBS deal started. What are they down to now ? 6 or 7 ? In what business is it acceptable to lose 35-40% of your distribution locations ? At what point do you stop blaming management for "not getting" the show and acknowledge your quality problems. Their bashing of Howard Stern sounds more and more like frantic attempts to generate some sort of publicity. Hard to take seriously when he is soundly thrashing them now in the new satellite ratings.
 

cozzie

head retard
Aug 7, 2005
1,482
1
176
Norristown PA
#19
Wow that was a lot to read, but I have to say in my opinon the boys were much better in afternoon drive. I moved to Conneticut in 99 with just my clothes and my truck. After work I would sit in my truck , drink a few beers and listen to the boys til 7pm. Who wants to drink beer at 7 am?
 

Baggy Spandex

This stinks and I don't like it.
Apr 5, 2007
588
0
166
#20
Face reality. The show is fair at best and that seems to be apparent from the lukewarm reception in many of their markets. In many of the articles it states O&A were on as many as 11 stations when the CBS deal started. What are they down to now ? 6 or 7 ? In what business is it acceptable to lose 35-40% of your distribution locations ? At what point do you stop blaming management for "not getting" the show and acknowledge your quality problems. Their bashing of Howard Stern sounds more and more like frantic attempts to generate some sort of publicity. Hard to take seriously when he is soundly thrashing them now in the new satellite ratings.
According to Wikipedia, I counted 22 douche. Go clean someones dentures.
 

SOS

ONA
Wackbag Staff
Aug 14, 2000
48,194
8,897
1,038
USA
#21
I really enjoy the live XM show and the Replays.
 
Dec 25, 2005
10,005
172
513
NJ
#22
Face reality. The show is fair at best and that seems to be apparent from the lukewarm reception in many of their markets. In many of the articles it states O&A were on as many as 11 stations when the CBS deal started. What are they down to now ? 6 or 7 ? In what business is it acceptable to lose 35-40% of your distribution locations ? At what point do you stop blaming management for "not getting" the show and acknowledge your quality problems. Their bashing of Howard Stern sounds more and more like frantic attempts to generate some sort of publicity. Hard to take seriously when he is soundly thrashing them now in the new satellite ratings.
so, what exactly don't you like about the show?
 

Your_Moms_Box

Free Shit / Socialism 2016
Dec 20, 2004
5,755
468
628
Dover, Delaware
#23
Face reality. The show is fair at best and that seems to be apparent from the lukewarm reception in many of their markets. In many of the articles it states O&A were on as many as 11 stations when the CBS deal started. What are they down to now ? 6 or 7 ? In what business is it acceptable to lose 35-40% of your distribution locations ? At what point do you stop blaming management for "not getting" the show and acknowledge your quality problems. Their bashing of Howard Stern sounds more and more like frantic attempts to generate some sort of publicity. Hard to take seriously when he is soundly thrashing them now in the new satellite ratings.
Go away troll.
 

Sanchez

The evil guy
Aug 18, 2004
76
0
0
#24
If the show is so "Fair at best" then why are you on this site, reichmarchall?
You make the nazis look bad.

The question should be is why the family guy fcc music at the end of the show and the little speech when they got back from break twice today.

They do a great show, but people leave to the xm side cause they get the taste of the show from fm. Resulting in lower FM ratings. The boys do fine if executives just stop fuckin fidgeting with the show.

From,
Sanchez
:icon_evil
 

Tryaluckystrike

Registered User
Feb 19, 2007
1,886
0
36
#25
Face reality. The show is fair at best and that seems to be apparent from the lukewarm reception in many of their markets. In many of the articles it states O&A were on as many as 11 stations when the CBS deal started. What are they down to now ? 6 or 7 ? In what business is it acceptable to lose 35-40% of your distribution locations ? At what point do you stop blaming management for "not getting" the show and acknowledge your quality problems. Their bashing of Howard Stern sounds more and more like frantic attempts to generate some sort of publicity. Hard to take seriously when he is soundly thrashing them now in the new satellite ratings.
Quality is NOT the issue. Their lamest O&A CBS bits are better than the "quality" Sirius stuff millions tune in to on Stern's show.

And I know what the show does daily (when they actually take to the air). I read the Marks Friggin recaps and if I paid for that...wow, would I be pissed. How many fucking days in a row can you harrass a midget or a spacey black man and think you're entertaining people?