Britian turns to US for riot control advice. Askes what is tear gas... police?

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It seems rather common sense to me. Most people riot because of the cause but because they feel protected by the anonymity they gain being in a large crowd and they feel they can loot and destroy with little chance of being caught. As time goes on the crowds get bigger and the sense of safety grows.

Want to stop a riot? Remove the feeling of safety from the equation and quickly. You can't arrest everyone but you sure as hell can flood the crowds with gas, rubber bullets, and bean bags. The idea of running around all hooligan like will quickly look much less appealing.

Britain said Thursday that it would seek U.S. law enforcement advice on fighting gang violence as the U.K. deals with riots that have gripped several of the country's cities.


Prime Minister David Cameron, who has summoned lawmakers back to Parliament because of the crisis, said he would act “decisively to restore order on our streets,” and he cited prominent U.S. police chief Bill Bratton as a potential source for advice.



Bratton, whose resume includes top cop jobs in New York, Los Angeles and Boston, said in a written statement that he would “be honored” to assist the British.


Since the riots first started, London's Metropolitan Police have been widely criticized for its slow and inadequate response. The situation has deteriorated to the point where citizens are forced to stand guard in front of their homes and businesses because of the lack of police presence.


For the first time, its deputy assistant commissioner admitted Thursday that the force did not deploy enough officers to control the outbreak of violence early on in the riots. Cameron also acknowledged shortcomings by police. He said they treated the early riots as a “public order issue” rather than a crime problem.

And according to law enforcement experts in the U.S., the first few hours are pivotal.

Bill Gavin, the former head of the FBI in New York, told Fox News that there’s a philosophical difference between London police and its U.S. cousin departments. In particular, London failed to deploy an overwhelming force to halt the rioters.

“The time for reasoning is after you’ve controlled them,” Gavin said, adding that Bratton would serve as a suitable adviser.


Bratton’s experience with law enforcement is extensive and diverse. He reduced gang-related crimes in Boston and Los Angeles. He has worked with the British in the past, and was given an honorary title by Queen Elizabeth II in 2009, Reuters reported.


"There are many lessons from these experiences that I believe are relevant to the current situation in England," Bratton said.


Britain's riots began Saturday when an initially peaceful protest over a police shooting in north London turned violent. That clash triggered wider lawlessness that police struggled to halt.
There are currently 16,000 police deployed on London's streets to deter rioters and reassure residents, and those forces are expected to remain through the weekend.

EDIT: Oopsie on spelling.
 

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They should have asked us after the first night. And they should have went to the Irish for help, they certainly have enough experience with riots.
 

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They're not seeking advice on riot control, they're seeking advice on gang-related issues. The US has much more experience in dealing with gangs, whereas the rise of gang culture is comparatively recent in the UK. The US frequently offers help to various countries with regard to dealing with gangs, how to break them up, etc.

The Met police has plenty of experience in dealing with riots but, for some reason (probably because they were pussyfooting around, not wanting to be accused of brutalising 'the community) they got it wrong during the first night of rioting.
 

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British cop to American cop: "Wait, so you chaps get guns? And you can shoot people? And you can beat people for resisting? Like beat them to death? Holy shit, what the fuck have we been doing with whistles and funny hats????!!!?!?!?!!!!!!
 

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British cop to American cop: "Wait, so you chaps get guns? And you can shoot people? And you can beat people for resisting? Like beat them to death? Holy shit, what the fuck have we been doing with whistles and funny hats????!!!?!?!?!!!!!!
UK cops have been carrying guns for about 10 years now, if I remember right. It's not that uncommon to see them carrying MP5s and UMPs, either.
 
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UK cops have been carrying guns for about 10 years now, if I remember right. It's not that uncommon to see them carrying MP5s and UMPs, either.
That's great and all but unless your riot control technique involves gunning down your citizens those are not exactly the tools need for this situation.
 

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UK cops have been carrying guns for about 10 years now, if I remember right. It's not that uncommon to see them carrying MP5s and UMPs, either.
Indeed, it's very common now to see them carrying sub-machine guns.
 

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Being PC will just get more people killed. Take off the gloves and unleash the dogs of war...
 
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The US does know how to get the slaves to behave.

[video=youtube;X12G4DJ0mas]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12G4DJ0mas[/video]

Even at peaceful protests they use tear gas and sound cannons to protect the bankers that destroyed the country.
 

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The US does know how to get the slaves to behave.

[video=youtube;X12G4DJ0mas]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12G4DJ0mas[/video]

Even at peaceful protests they use tear gas and sound cannons to protect the bankers that destroyed the country.
Let me save you guys 10 minutes of your lives... no tear gas(not even one puff of smoke), 10 seconds of the sound cannon being used(to no effect... people milling about with fingers in ears), douches yelling Alex Jonesisms into bullhorns, zero violence, police politely asking people to move along, hipster playing guitar(poorly) while other hipsters sing(badly).

And that's about it.

Worst. Riot. Ever.
 
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Let me save you guys 10 minutes of your lives... no tear gas(not even one puff of smoke), 10 seconds of the sound cannon being used(to no effect... people milling about with fingers in ears), douches yelling Alex Jonesisms into bullhorns, zero violence, police politely asking people to move along, hipster playing guitar(poorly) while other hipsters sing(badly).

And that's about it.

Worst. Riot. Ever.
I never said it was a riot. Its a peaceful protest and the cops used tear gas, sound cannons, and marched like good little fascists to stop the protesting and protect the bankers that will take their pension some day.

[video=youtube;akwjAjcQnqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwjAjcQnqM[/video]

[video=youtube;vZT3O5m0EIs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZT3O5m0EIs[/video]
 

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I never said it was a riot. Its a peaceful protest and the cops used tear gas, sound cannons, and marched like good little fascists to stop the protesting and protect the bankers that will take their pension some day.

[video=youtube;akwjAjcQnqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwjAjcQnqM[/video]Geuvera

[video=youtube;vZT3O5m0EIs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZT3O5m0EIs[/video]
Thank you for those videos, Kirk. A great example of how to do crowd control correctly, and protect the property of productive members of society from the useless shittums who would otherwise destroy and loot said property.

Actually... that second video is worth a watch. It's hysterical. A bunch of stupid ass college kids acting out their Che Guevara fantasies. Look! We're revolutionizing! The cops pop a few pepper balls at them and they act like Hitler dropped a Zyklon B bomb. One dykey-looking broad drips a few drops of blood from a boo boo on her head and the drama queens start hooting and carrying on like she had her head blown off by a claymore mine. At one point "the victim" asks someone to dial 911...

"Down with authority! Anarchy! Anarchy! Oh! I've got a little ouchie and I'm bleeding. Quick! Somebody contact the authorities and tell them to come save me!"

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You do have to ask the question why didn't they use the sounds cannons or tear gas in the UK riots? Are we suppose to believe they are just stupid? Something will happen because of these riots but I don't know how they could turn the UK into more of a nanny state.

Thank you for those videos, Kirk. A great example of how to do crowd control correctly, and protect the property of productive members of society from the useless shittums who would otherwise destroy and loot said property.
So you are against peaceful protests? Why am I not surprised?
 

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I hate you more than I hate suicide bombers.

At least suicide bombers have the decency to kill themselves.
 

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You do have to ask the question why didn't they use the sounds cannons or tear gas in the UK riots? Are we suppose to believe they are just stupid? Something will happen because of these riots but I don't know how they could turn the UK into more of a nanny state.
You actually think the London riots were political, don't you? You believe they were something other than a pack of shittums stealing things and destroying property for their own materialistic gain and idiotic entertainment?

Not that this is a revelation... but God you're dumb.

So you are against peaceful protests? Why am I not surprised?
I could give a fuck. As long as those dipshits aren't breaking or stealing shit, they can scream stupid shit into bullhorns all they want... what do I care? It's not like those morons are missing work or anything.
 
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You actually think the London riots were political, don't you? You believe they were something other than a pack of shittums stealing things and destroying property for their own materialistic gain and idiotic entertainment?

Not that this is a revelation... but God you're dumb.
Show me where I said the riots are political? I never said that you made it up in your head. If the UK riots were political the police would have ended them in a few minutes.
 

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Show me where I said the riots are political? I never said that you made it up in your head. If the UK riots were political the police would have ended them in a few minutes.
Oh... sorry, I thought you were comparing the London riots to the Pittsburgh non-riot motivationwise. Looking back, I see that you actually weren't.

Okay then... the reason why the London cops didn't drop the hammer is simple... white guilt. Typical shit... guilty whitey would rather let the savages run amok and loot and destroy shit rather than make himself look like a racist by going in and cracking a few negroidal coconuts.
 

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The greatest protestor-bashing video ever...

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Look at her... lying there in her ridiculous little Strawberry Shortcake costume... batteries all spilling out of her bullhorn.

Pure hilarity.
 

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That's great and all but unless your riot control technique involves gunning down your citizens those are not exactly the tools need for this situation.
You sound like Ann Coulter now. ;)

The greatest protestor-bashing video ever...
I have to respectfully disagree.

[video=youtube;zIgXx3W7_C0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgXx3W7_C0[/video]
 

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They should arrest everyone in sight and have tougher sentences than the slap on the wrist these people usually get. Also, spanking. Especially for the hot black chick in the other thread.