California Senate passes "anti-Arizona" immigration bill

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SACRAMENTO (Reuters) - The California Senate passed a bill on Thursday that seeks to shield illegal immigrants from status checks by local police and challenges Republican-backed immigration crackdowns in Arizona and other U.S. states.


The Democrat-led state Senate voted 21 to 13 to approve the California Trust Act, dubbed by supporters as the "anti-Arizona" bill. It blocks local police from referring a detainee to immigration officials for deportation unless that person has been convicted of a violent or serious felony.


"Today's vote signals to the nation that California cannot afford to be another Arizona," Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a Democrat who sponsored the measure, said in a statement.


"The bill also limits unjust and onerous detentions for deportation in local jails of community members who do not pose a threat to public safety," he added.


The bill has the backing of about 100 immigrant rights groups, police chiefs and mayors. It has already passed the Democrat-controlled state Assembly in a 47-26 vote and will go back to the Assembly for a concurrence vote following the summer recess before heading to Democratic Governor Jerry Brown.


The measure seeks to create a national model to counter what backers say is racial profiling inherent in a part of Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration that was allowed to stand by the U.S. Supreme Court last week.


In passing the bill, California stands apart not only from Arizona, but also Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Utah, which have all adopted strict laws in the past two years to try to discourage illegal immigrants from settling in their states.


On June 25, the top U.S. court upheld the most controversial aspect of Arizona's immigration statute: a requirement that police officers check the immigration status of people they stop, even for minor offenses such as jay-walking.


Opponents have argued that Arizona's law could lead to illegal racial or ethnic profiling of Hispanics in the state, while backers say it is needed because the federal government has failed to secure the border with Mexico.


SECURE COMMUNITIES


California's bill also seeks to push back against a federal program called Secure Communities, which supporters of Thursday's bill say shares similar principles to Arizona's law.


The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, or ICE, established the Secure Communities program in partnership with local law enforcement agencies and the FBI to deport unauthorized immigrants.


Local authorities send fingerprints of those arrested to ICE, which says it prioritizes deporting those with criminal records. The program was credited as a factor in that agency's nearly 400,000 deportations in 2011, its highest number ever.


The California State Sheriff's Association, which opposes the bill approved on Thursday, could not immediately be reached for comment. It has said previously that state and local authorities cannot opt out of the Secure Communities program.


It also said that ICE focuses on only the most serious cases involving convicted criminals and repeat offenders.


Ammiano said that the federal program has been responsible for deporting over 72,000 Californians, with 70 percent of those deported from the state having either no criminal convictions, or convictions for a minor offense.


Critics have lambasted the program for placing victims of domestic violence in deportation proceedings and deterring immigrants from reporting crimes committed against them.


California has the largest population of undocumented immigrants in the United States, with nearly 2.6 million at the start of 2010, according to government figures.


(Reporting by Mary Slosson; Writing by Tim Gaynor; Editing by Todd Eastham and Paul Simao)
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Local authorities send fingerprints of those arrested to ICE, which says it prioritizes deporting those with criminal records. The program was credited as a factor in that agency's nearly 400,000 deportations in 2011, its highest number ever.
And I'm sure none of them came back... again do the paperwork pay the fees... it's a pain in the ass but not rocket surgery...
 

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It's been said a million times but for some reason ignored. What part of 'illegal' don't these people understand?
 

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And some wonder why California is bankrupt. These morons will never figure it out. It's entertaining at this point.
 

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It's been said a million times but for some reason ignored. What part of 'illegal' don't these people understand?
Same part they don't get about illegal drugs: by what right is it illegal?
 

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Oh, is it time for cali senate election year again.
 

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Because nothing helps close that budget gap like hiring hundreds more cops to go around checking everyone's papers.
Hiring cops is what caused the CA budget gap? One of the highest taxed states can't get their shit together because of local governments hiring cops? Hardee har har!
 

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Same part they don't get about illegal drugs: by what right is it illegal?
Because there's a thing called immigrating to America legally and abiding by US federal immigration laws by making yourself known at the door and letting us know you're here and what you're doing....then there's a thing called immigrating to America illegally and breaking US federal immigration laws right at the border.

It's your right as a non-citizen to come to America and live and work here....as long as you come in the front door, announce yourself, and abide by our rules...which is the case in many foreign countries. Think of it as a party...you ask the host if you can come to the party and not sneak in the back door and claim you belong here and/or elude the host of the party. Sure most of the other uninvited guests may be minding their own business and are being courteous and helping make and pass out hors' d'oeuvres...but then you've got a smaller portion of them pissing on our rug and rummaging through the invited guests stuff. Kinda ruins it for the rest of them...especially considering I'm supposed to have a strict "No uninvited guest" policy posted at the door anyway.
 

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Because nothing helps close that budget gap like hiring hundreds more cops to go around checking everyone's papers.
Well just think...if all these illegals came in the proper way and were on the books...paying taxes...might cover that silly ol budget gap a bit.
 

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It's your right as a non-citizen to come to America and live and work here.
Yes, it is. However, that right is blatantly denied by American immigration laws which set a prohibitive cap on how many applications are approved each years.
 

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Because nothing helps close that budget gap like hiring hundreds more cops to go around checking everyone's papers.
There's a difference between hiring more cops to check papers, and dealing with illegal aliens as you come across them during normal work responsibilities, which is what this bill addresses.
 

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Yes, it is. However, that right is blatantly denied by American immigration laws which set a prohibitive cap on how many applications are approved each years.
Good, so lifting the cap on how many applications are approved every year, will stop these little lawbreakers from crossing into the United States and living here when they're not legally supposed to? Gotcha. But you said it yourself...it is currently American immigration law and so these people are clearly doing something they shouldn't be doing and are breaking the law.

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It's not a party, it's a country.
You're right...it's something that is much, much more important than a silly little party. It's much more important and on a much larger scale than a small party with a host and his invited guests that are merely looking for a good time with friends and new acquaintances. This is the citizen's home country we're talking about. :icon_cool

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One that's supposed to be free.
"Free" if you're lucky enough to be a citizen, yes. "Free" for those non-citizens that want to come here thru the proper legal channels. Rightfully, not "free" for those who break US federal immigration law. Or at least it shouldn't be. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that we're not opening our doors to every person in every corner of the world to come and go as they please.
 

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I didn't know you needed a SSN to buy gas or a basket of crap from Walmart.
Groceries are not taxed. Everyone pays sales tax you silly goose. I'm talking about the taxes that us working stiffs have taken from our checks against our will.
 

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Groceries are not taxed. Everyone pays sales tax you silly goose. I'm talking about the taxes that us working stiffs have taken from our checks against our will.
I've heard that there are illegals that actually do pay taxes...how it's done...beats the hell out of me. But I would think that since the government is getting free money somewhere, they're not going to press the issue and find out where the money came from and have them removed. I guess it's like an honor system and the guvmint gets a sizable chunk of cash from them. Probably one of the reasons why there's no rush to "fix" the problem.

But then you do have illegals that aren't paying taxes...are burdens...and some that even commit crimes over here. We have our OWN citizens we have to deal with that are like this, we don't need more that we don't have any record of.
 

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You don't think overpoplulation is something we should worry about?
I guess in a sense, this country could actually be invaded by it's own collection of new citizens. It sounds far fetched and almost Kirk-esque...but think about it...you have millions upon millions of immigrants coming from say, a country in the Middle East over the period of 5 years. Maybe they're all here to seek a better opportunity here in America like the millions upon millions of other immigrants coming in from every corner of the world each year and being granted citizenship. And like free citizens, like we are...maybe they all arm themselves...start buying up weapons and ammo. Then when the time is right...they unleash hell on a certain region and attempt to overthrow the government.

Crazy, I know. But I'm just pointing out that we need "bouncers" at, not just the front door, but all exits. We need secure borders, and we need to know who's here and who's not supposed to be here. We need to control the flow. It needs to be a difficult process to obtain citizenship here.
 

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I guess in a sense, this country could actually be invaded by it's own collection of new citizens. It sounds far fetched and almost Kirk-esque...but think about it...you have millions upon millions of immigrants coming from say, a country in the Middle East over the period of 5 years. Maybe they're all here to seek a better opportunity here in America like the millions upon millions of other immigrants coming in from every corner of the world each year and being granted citizenship. And like free citizens, like we are...maybe they all arm themselves...start buying up weapons and ammo. Then when the time is right...they unleash hell on a certain region and attempt to overthrow the government.

Crazy, I know. But I'm just pointing out that we need "bouncers" at, not just the front door, but all exits. We need secure borders, and we need to know who's here and who's not supposed to be here. We need to control the flow. It needs to be a difficult process to obtain citizenship here.
You do realize beaners have been crossing legally/illegally for over 100 years right? There's spics that live in a mexican border town and cross mostly legally but some illegally every day to work for shit change and then cross back at night.
 
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It's not a party, it's a country. One that's supposed to be free.
In all my years studying history I must have missed the part that mentioned there being laws that allowed unrestricted access to our country and its resources for citizens of other countries. There has always been some sort of criteria for entry. To have no limit on how many people can come here and have no criteria for who is allowed here would be incredibly stupid. Aside from the overcrowding I mentioned earlier, there would be nothing to keep unwanted people out. Criminals? Well, this is a free country and it's not right to hold your criminal past agianst you, so come on in! You have a contagious disease that doesn't exist here yet? Come on in! It wouldn't be right for a free country to turn you away and not even pay for your health care. You have 6 kids an no useful job skills so you're probably going to wind up on welfare and the school is going to need to hire someone to teach your kids in your language because you decided to come here without learning how to speak any English at all? Welcome to your new home!