OpieRadio Logo
Compound Media Logo
Jim Norton Logo

Car stalled out and wouldn't start until cooled off

Discussion in 'Wackbag Home Improvement & Car Repair' started by Party Rooster, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    40,304
    Likes Received:
    7,462
    Had my 2004 Hyundai Santa Fe just stall out on me this morning. Now that I think about it, yesterday when I had the cruise control on it seemed to almost do it on the freeway but I just thought it was a cruise control kicking in/shutting off kind of thing. Was driving and it seemed like I killed the engine for about a second and then it went back on.

    This morning I was driving and I got maybe a mile away from home and the car just died. Seemed like it was kind of rough when it died. Coasted to a stop and tried restarting it and it just cranked like it was out of fuel.

    Came back about an hour later and was able to start it up just fine and drive it home. So is it related to when the car heats up?

    The check engine light had come on a few months ago and I plugged a code reader into it and it was I think an O2 sensor. Guy where I had the oil changed said I really didn't need to worry about it until I needed to get it smogged.

    Plugged in the code reader today and got these numbers:
    P0335
    P0421
    P0171

    Scrolling the messages on the reader got these messages:
    mil on
    monitors
    inc
    ready
    misfire
    fuel
    comp
    catalyst
    evap
    sensor
    heater
    egr

    Bit of googling shows it could be a MAF sensor, could be a crankshaft sensor, catalytic converter, and a few other things. What should I take care of first so I don't get stranded somewhere? Should I just replace the MAF sensor? How hard is it or what kind of shop would be best to handle this kind of stuff?

    This is the first time I've had to worry about anything with this car out of warranty. It's got about 120k miles on it. Had the timing belt changed at about 65k because it busted and a couple other minor things but otherwise it's been a good car.
     
  2. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    24,091
    Likes Received:
    8,346
    Not a mechanic, but it sounds almost like the fuel pump might be crapping out.
     
  3. Wrecktum

    Wrecktum Tounge puncher of fart boxes

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    1,390
    I had the same car.. Did you get your transmission shift sensor looked at? I had it crap out on me 4 times in 3 months.
     
  4. d0uche_n0zzle

    d0uche_n0zzle **Negative_Creep**

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    46,517
    Likes Received:
    6,802
    Those slopes sure do know how to get even.
     
  5. maz

    maz TRueWDTer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    63,087
    Likes Received:
    1,812
    Fetzer valve
     
  6. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    40,304
    Likes Received:
    7,462
    So my neighbor is a mechanic and came over and looked at it. A big air intake tube (about 3-4 inch diameter) was completely off on the bottom. We took apart a bunch of the tubing going up to the air filter to see if it hadn't sucked up a big piece of debris or something but it was pretty clean. He thinks that could have stalled it out, the error codes I got said I had a too lean fuel mixture. Cleared the codes and everything seems ok now, but they could come back, he thinks the crankshaft sensor is loose and possibly a fuel filter/pvc filter may be in order since it's got 120k on it.

    I noticed it was kind of jerky going into a gear a few days ago, was that your symptom? Is that the same as the crankshaft sensor?
     
  7. Wrecktum

    Wrecktum Tounge puncher of fart boxes

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    1,390
    No it's a transmission sensor. It started off as being kinda jerky. Then it would be stuck in 3rd gear so try merging onto the highway from a dead stop like that.
     
  8. Ballbuster1

    Ballbuster1 In The Danger Zone...
    Wackbag Staff

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Messages:
    101,984
    Likes Received:
    16,345
    The 0171 is a too lean code. If the MAF sensor is in the air cleaner box
    and that tube to the engine is off or cracked it will cause stalling.

    The 0421 is a cat code but it shouldn't cause stalling.
    Indicates the efficiency is down on warmup. More pollution
    but shouldn't affect performance.

    The 0335 code is a crank sensor code. That's the one I would look at.
    A crank sensor failure will shut the motor down and it's totally
    possible the sensor fails when the engine gets hot and the windings
    inside of it separate. Seen it many times before in various sensors.
     
  9. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton It's all about the funny!

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2004
    Messages:
    25,696
    Likes Received:
    374
    You my friend have the best NSFW in the history of the internets!!!!

    Oh yeah, Balls is right, crank sensor.
     
  10. Wrecktum

    Wrecktum Tounge puncher of fart boxes

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    1,390
    Well thanks sir..
     
  11. Ballbuster1

    Ballbuster1 In The Danger Zone...
    Wackbag Staff

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Messages:
    101,984
    Likes Received:
    16,345
    Yeah, newer electronic transmissions have an input and output
    speed sensor. When they fuck up the trans may shift bad or
    not at all but his problem sounds more like an engine sensor
    that cutting off ignition, fuel injectors or both.
     
  12. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    40,304
    Likes Received:
    7,462
    Thanks everyone, especially BB1. Definitely going to get the crankcase sensor done ASAP. Should I go ahead and swap out the timing belt at the same time? I'm probably going to need to tear it down that far to get to the crankcase sensor right? How easy is it for a backyard mechanic (my neighbor) to do a timing belt if it's not done in a shop?

    Also, Pepboys and Autozone both have it for about $90, but since it's something I can probably wait a week for, should I get it online? Found it here, is this place ok to buy from?
    http://www.thepartsbin.com/catalog/...94962953+4294963026&Npp=30&Ns=price2|1&Npp=30

    If so, which one of the manufacturers has a good reputation there? There's one on there for $13, WTF? And it's got a 1 year warranty and some of the more expensive ones only have 90 day warranties.
     
  13. Ballbuster1

    Ballbuster1 In The Danger Zone...
    Wackbag Staff

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Messages:
    101,984
    Likes Received:
    16,345
    Never hurts to have a new timing belt on the car. As for buying it online, I do it myself
    because I can get such good deals. Just make sure whoever you buy from has an easy
    return policy in case it turns out to be the wrong part. Sometimes pictures and actual
    parts delivered aren't the same.
     
  14. kidconnor

    kidconnor 55gallon hog

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2005
    Messages:
    5,314
    Likes Received:
    1,105
    Every once in a while, long stretches though, my bronco would idle rough and sometimes stall. Engine light came on. At first my mechanic couldn't figure it out. Had to wait for the engine light ro come on before hooking up the reader. It was the o2 sensor. Changed that and it cleared right up.

    Whenever it happened again changed the sensor and it cleared up.
     
  15. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    40,304
    Likes Received:
    7,462
    Aside from the big box autoparts stores, anybody recommend a good online parts supplier?

    Place I'm looking at has a 21 day return policy from date of delivery. Anybody that buys parts online that can vouch for these manufacturers? Or ones I should stay away from?

    Gates
    DNJ
    Beck Arnley
    Dayco
    ContiTech
    MBL
    Auto 7
    Cloyes
    CRP
    Standard
    Replacement
    OES Genuine
     
  16. ruckstande

    ruckstande Posts mostly from the shitter.

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Messages:
    14,671
    Likes Received:
    4,234
    Rockauto.com. The cheapest parts place I have found. My boss told me about it. I got a radiator, cap, upper and lower hose, and thermostat, and shipping for less than just the radiator at other sites I saw it at.
     
  17. bb1mobile

    bb1mobile wackbag's special mod
    Wackbag Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    4,088
    Likes Received:
    4
    I've gotten parts made by most of those companies
    and haven't had any probems with them that I recall.

    Only thing I shy away from is Gates belts. For some reason
    they tend to develop a chirp in them very quickly. They last
    fine but are noisey as hell. I use Bando belts when possible.

    Gates hoses are fine too.
     

Share This Page