Christian BBQ restauranteur hates children.

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http://www.fox23.com/news/local/sto...h-gets-in-the-way/vAcwMQrIzUCFekpYFVA8xA.cspx

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Joe Davidson, CEO of Oklahoma Joe’s Barbeque told FOX23 people have a right to believe whatever they want, but he said Camp Quest Oklahoma goes against his beliefs.

Davidson told FOX23 he’s a Christian and he can’t support atheist or agnostic views. Davidson said just a couple of weeks ago he agreed to raise cash for Camp Quest Oklahoma, a science camp.

However, he said he learned Monday that many of the camp volunteers are atheist or agnostic.

As part of the arrangement 10 percent of Davidson’s sales were to go back to the group, but he said once they started passing out pamphlets, and promoting their views, there was a problem.

“They didn’t disclose this to me about their beliefs until today,” said Davidson. “I believe that they should have. When I asked they said ‘well, we get this reaction every time we disclose this.’”

Camp Quest president, Mary Eversole, told FOX23 her organization’s pamphlets were approved weeks ago by the restaurant. Eversole said the pamphlets clearly outlined their organization was filled with free thinkers.

“He should’ve known,” said Eversole.

Davidson said he honored the agreement. Camp Quest walked away with about $4 after $40 in sales was made.
The camp costs each kid about $500.

http://www.campquest.org/
Support Camp Quest Oklahoma with a donation, and have your donation matched this week with a gift from Stiefel Freethought Foundation to Camp Quest, Inc.

You may have heard that Camp Quest Oklahoma's fundraiser scheduled for Monday, April 8th at Oklahoma Joe's Barbecue in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma was cancelled last night by the restaurant owners after guests had already started arriving. Despite a flyer clearly stating the mission of Camp Quest, and planning for the event for at least a month in advance, the owners decided once the fundraiser had started that it conflicted with their Christian identity.

Several people have been bringing attention to this story online, including Hemant Mehta at Friendly Atheist, and many others. Support for Camp Quest Oklahoma has been pouring in, and the Stiefel Freethought Foundation wants to make your support go further. This week The Stiefel Foundation is matching up to $5,000 in donations to Camp Quest Oklahoma dollar for dollar with a donation to Camp Quest, Inc.

We want to thank everyone who has stood up against bigotry by reporting on this incident, and supporting Camp Quest Oklahoma. It has been especially touching to see messages of support and donations from Christians, like one man on facebook who said, "I am Christian and read on Reddit what happened. Donated because what they did was ridiculous. Hope it helps." It means a lot to see people of different worldviews standing together to support our campers.

We know some people have also contacted the restaurant owner about this. We ask that if you do that you approach it calmly and reasonably. Also, please know that other locations of Oklahoma Joe's Barbecue in other cities are independently owned, and have nothing to do with this incident.

Please support Camp Quest Oklahoma. Let's help them have the best camp session ever!
 

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Now the camp should get some nice bank from people who explicitly support the idea of an agnostic/atheist camp. They get what they want, Christian BBQ guy gets what he wants (or rather doesn't get what he doesn't want). Everyone walks away satisfied.

Or someone sues.
 

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It's a science camp. Did he really think they all believed in Jeebus?
 

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We want to thank everyone who has stood up against bigotry by reporting on this incident, and supporting Camp Quest Oklahoma
Oh go fuck yourself.

So this guy is a bigot because he decided to not donate to a cause he doesn't agree with? Go die in a completely random and senseless accident that will mean absolutely nothing in the overall context of the universe.
 

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Oh go fuck yourself.

So this guy is a bigot because he decided to not donate to a cause he doesn't agree with? Go die in a completely random and senseless accident that will mean absolutely nothing in the overall context of the universe.
Read the article. He never bothered reading the flyers he had been given until the night of their event apparently.

You may have heard that Camp Quest Oklahoma's fundraiser scheduled for Monday, April 8th at Oklahoma Joe's Barbecue in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma was cancelled last night by the restaurant owners after guests had already started arriving. Despite a flyer clearly stating the mission of Camp Quest, and planning for the event for at least a month in advance, the owners decided once the fundraiser had started that it conflicted with their Christian identity.
 

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Oh go fuck yourself.

So this guy is a bigot because he decided to not donate to a cause he doesn't agree with? Go die in a completely random and senseless accident that will mean absolutely nothing in the overall context of the universe.
An hour into the fund raiser it is brought to his attention that the fund raiser is for a camp for children of Atheists. He had 3 weeks to do research to see what kind of science camp he was helping support. He could've just let the fund raiser happen, and decline any events in the future, ya know, like an adult would do.
 

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I guess he figured they were Christian Scientists.
 

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Read the article. He never bothered reading the flyers he had been given until the night of their event apparently.
I never commented on any other part of the story, I was just outraged over them labeling this guy as a bigot. So now you're entitled to charitable donations, and if someone disagrees with your organization they're a bigot? If they had said he was in breach of contract or something along those lines for canceling at the last minute, so be it. But no, that's not good enough... they had to make themselves out to be the victims of bigotry.

An hour into the fund raiser it is brought to his attention that the fund raiser is for a camp for children of Atheists. He had 3 weeks to do research to see what kind of science camp he was helping support. He could've just let the fund raiser happen, and decline any events in the future, ya know, like an adult would do.
That's fine... I'm not taking the owner's side. As I stated above, the thing that pissed me off was them calling him a bigot.
 

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I'll guarantee you he would've kept his yap shut and his money right where it was if he had discovered that many of the volunteers were Muslims.

Just another hypocrite and a coward who picks the soft targets.
 

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This guy was fine helping out a generic science camp. Nothing here says he was initially under the impression it was a Christian science camp. The group hosting the camp is the one that injected philosophy (which is what atheism is) into the mix... if it was purely about science there's no reason to state it's ran mostly by atheists. The restaurant owner is a dolt and an asshole for not doing research and canceling at the last minute, but not wanting to support a philosophy-based charity he disagrees with does not make him a bigot. That's like saying an atheist store owner who doesn't want to contribute to a Christian basketball camp is a bigot.
 

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This guy was fine helping out a generic science camp. Nothing here says he was initially under the impression it was a Christian science camp. The group hosting the camp is the one that injected philosophy (which is what atheism is) into the mix... if it was purely about science there's no reason to state it's ran mostly by atheists. The restaurant owner is a dolt and an asshole for not doing research and canceling at the last minute, but not wanting to support a philosophy-based charity he disagrees with does not make him a bigot. That's like saying an atheist store owner who doesn't want to contribute to a Christian basketball camp is a bigot.
The Christian Science reference was a joke... because Christian Science is an oxymoron.

All science is generic... it's science. Science is generic and atheistic by it's very definition.

I agree that it's not a matter of bigotry... because you can't be bigoted against a non-belief or a philosophy.

It's more a matter of narrow-mindedness.

That's like saying an atheist store owner who doesn't want to contribute to a Christian basketball camp is a bigot.
That store owner would absolutely be a bigot if he withdrew a donation he had already made if he did so based on the fact that he discovered that he erroneously donated to a cause which was staffed by Christians.
 

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That store owner would absolutely be a bigot if he withdrew a donation he had already made if he did so based on the fact that he discovered that he erroneously donated to a cause which was staffed by Christians.
 

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The Christian Science reference was a joke... because Christian Science is an oxymoron.
No it's not. Science and philosophy are separate for a reason, and until science disproves the core concept of Christianity, they are not an oxymoron.

All science is generic... it's science. Science is generic and atheistic by it's very definition.
Or agnostic by definition? This science camp could have not involved any philosophy, just like a basketball camp hosted by a Christian group could focus solely on basketball... however it's not crazy to assume that a camp hosted by a certain philosophy-based group would include a certain amount of indoctrination by that group. Again otherwise what's the point of identifying their beliefs in the pamphlets this moron decided not to read?

I agree that it's not a matter of bigotry... because you can't be bigoted against a non-belief or a philosophy.

It's more a matter of narrow-mindedness.
There's nothing wrong with narrow-mindedness when it comes to charity. People donate to causes they believe in. Is it narrow-minded to only donate to an atheist-based organization and not a Christian-based one?

That store owner would absolutely be a bigot if he withdrew a donation he had already made if he did so based on the fact that he discovered that he erroneously donated to a cause which was staffed by Christians.
No he wouldn't. You're acting under the assumption that the money was that charity's to begin with, and the restaurant owner took it away from them. Not donating to a charity does not equal being intolerant. If someone was denied employment or service based on their religion or lack thereof, that would be intolerant. The restaurant owner was reasonable to think that since it was stated that the camp was ran by an atheist-based group, that the kids in that camp might experience a level of indoctrination to a belief he disagreed with. He didn't fight to get the camp closed, he simply decided he didn't want his money going towards something involving that specific philosophy.

Otherwise we're all intolerant of every charity we've never donated to, and the only way to end that would be to donate to a pool, and have the money handed out to random charities by lottery.
 

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They have this practice called feesting. Where a man places his whole arm into another man's a-nus. It's so painful they have to take drugs.

But they enjoy it.
 

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The thing is, in ultra conservative Broken Arrow Oklahoma, this was probably the best thing for his business.

There is a school right down the road, Rhema, that basically charges $20,000 for a degree in teaching people how to spread the word of god.

When all the chick-fil-a shit was goin down, there were lines around the block at each one from the Christians.
 

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They have this practice called feesting. Where a man places his whole arm into another man's a-nus. It's so painful they have to take drugs.

But they enjoy it.
None of the acts he listed were male-exclusive. The best part of the video, though, was him recommending that parents remove their children from the room after about 5 minutes (edited down) of explicitly describing and showing photos of all these extreme sexual acts. I forgot what act was introducing next, but the warning was hilariously belated.
 

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None of the acts he listed were male-exclusive. The best part of the video, though, was him recommending that parents remove their children from the room after about 5 minutes (edited down) of explicitly describing and showing photos of all these extreme sexual acts. I forgot what act was introducing next, but the warning was hilariously belated.
The most amazing thing is that they had Macbook Pros.
 

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No he wouldn't. You're acting under the assumption that the money was that charity's to begin with, and the restaurant owner took it away from them. Not donating to a charity does not equal being intolerant. If someone was denied employment or service based on their religion or lack thereof, that would be intolerant. The restaurant owner was reasonable to think that since it was stated that the camp was ran by an atheist-based group, that the kids in that camp might experience a level of indoctrination to a belief he disagreed with. He didn't fight to get the camp closed, he simply decided he didn't want his money going towards something involving that specific philosophy.

Otherwise we're all intolerant of every charity we've never donated to, and the only way to end that would be to donate to a pool, and have the money handed out to random charities by lottery.
He agreed to let them use his restaurant and then reneged on the deal at the last moment, leaving them with no place to hold their function. This wasn't just about him cancelling a check he had written.