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Proof that food stamps are nothing but Corporate Welfare


http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/washington-rejects-n-y-c-ban-on-use-of-food-stamps-to-buy-sodas/?hp

August 19, 2011, 5:19 PM
Federal Officials Reject City’s Plan to Ban Food Stamps for Soda
By PATRICK MCGEEHAN
Federal officials on Friday rejected Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s proposal to bar New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks with their benefits.

In October, the city proposed a two-year experiment to see if the prohibition would reduce obesity among people who buy their groceries with food stamps. But in a letter Friday, an administrator of the food stamp program in Washington said the city’s proposed experiment would have been “too large and complex” to implement and evaluate.

Tom Vilsack, the secretary of agriculture, said in a statement that the United States Department of Agriculture “has a longstanding tradition of supporting and promoting incentive-based solutions that are better suited for the working families, elderly and other low-income individuals” who rely on food stamps. “We are confident that we can solve the problem of obesity and promote good nutrition and health for all Americans and stand ready to work with New York City to achieve these goals.”

The city’s proposal was part of Mr. Bloomberg’s campaign to make the city a healthier place, which has included banning smoking indoors and in public parks, barring restaurants from cooking with trans fats and requiring them to inform customers about calorie counts.

The mayor was not pleased with the rejection on Friday.

“We think our innovative pilot would have done more to protect people from the crippling effects of preventable illnesses like diabetes and obesity than anything else being proposed elsewhere in this country — and at little or no cost to taxpayers,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a statement. “We’re disappointed that the federal government didn’t agree, and sorry that families and children may suffer from their unwillingness to explore our proposal. New York City will continue to pursue new and unconventional ways to combat the health problems that hurt New Yorkers and Americans from coast to coast.”
 

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In October, the city proposed a two-year experiment to see if the prohibition would reduce obesity among people who buy their groceries with food stamps.
Sounds like more "nanny state"legislation.

I hate that shit.
 

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Sounds like more "nanny state"legislation.

I hate that shit.

Yea that's the only reason why Bloomberg is against food stamps for soda

My point is that food stamps are not about providing proper nutrition to poor kids, its about corporate welfare, otherwise you couldn't buy any "comfort" food with foods stamps and why does the Dept of Agriculture administer the food stamp program instead of Health & Human Services
 

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We need to go back to handing out loaves of bread and government cheese.

Well the problem with that was that more food was being dumped than given away - Your typical food stamp recipient isn't interested in those types of food.

I can remember when I was a little kid, they were going door to door trying to give away cheese & bags of rice to anyone, because otherwise the local agency would get less from the state & national gov'ts - it got to the point they just dumping the stuff in the river. I remember that cheese was good.

Oh they can't trade food for cash or cigarettes & alcohol as easily as they can ATM type cards & vouchers
 

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My point is that food stamps are not about providing proper nutrition to poor kids, its about corporate welfare, otherwise you couldn't buy any "comfort" food with foods stamps and why does the Dept of Agriculture administer the food stamp program instead of Health & Human Services
Didn't it say in that article that it would be too much work for the system to actively discriminate against 'unhealthy' foods?

Whether you're for the food stamp program or not is irrelevant, it's about providing folks with the means to acquire groceries, not about helping to prop up food companies. Stop trying to make this into something it's obviously not. Besides, Coke and Pepsi would do just fine without the folks acquiring their products with stamps.
 

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Yea that's the only reason why Bloomberg is against food stamps for soda
I believe it is...
The city’s proposal was part of Mr. Bloomberg’s campaign to make the city a healthier place, which has included banning smoking indoors and in public parks, barring restaurants from cooking with trans fats and requiring them to inform customers about calorie counts.
He's a nanny mayor.
 

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I can remember when I was a little kid, they were going door to door trying to give away cheese & bags of rice to anyone, because otherwise the local agency would get less from the state & national gov'ts - it got to the point they just dumping the stuff in the river. I remember that cheese was good.
You were on Government Aid and no one helped you?

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Didn't it say in that article that it would be too much work for the system to actively discriminate against 'unhealthy' foods?
In Ohio, (at least at Save-A-Lot grocery store) the cash register readout says "FS Eligible" next to certain foods, and it totals up the amount of eligible and ineligible food prior to payment. I assume that things like beer, candy, and other bullshit could easily be placed on that list without too much hassle.

Whether you're for the food stamp program or not is irrelevant, it's about providing folks with the means to acquire groceries, not about helping to prop up food companies. Stop trying to make this into something it's obviously not.
That isn't entirely true. Nancy Pelosi and the director of the Dept of Ag both have tried to spin food stamps as being a stimulus program. Thus they believe that they are creating jobs at whichever company makes the products that the food stamps are being spent on; this includes Coke and Pepsi.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-agriculture-secretary-food-stamps
Obama Agriculture Secretary: Food Stamps Create Jobs
Tuesday, August 16, 2011
By Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack repeated the White House claim that food stamps and other forms of government welfare are stimulus programs in disguise, stating that when government gives out money, it is creating jobs.

“But I should point out that when you talk about the SNAP program or the food stamp program, you have to recognize that it’s also an economic stimulus,” Vilsack said Tuesday on MSNBC’s Morning Joe program. (SNAP is the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.)
“If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, then someone has to stock it, shelve it, process it, package it, ship it,” he said. “All of those are jobs. It’s the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times.”


Vilsack made his remarks in response to a question from MSNBC commentator Wes Moore about a recent Agriculture Department report that approximately 46 million people, or about 1 in 7 Americans, now receive food stamps.
Vilsack claimed that by redistributing money from taxpayers to those on food stamps, the government is indirectly creating jobs because welfare beneficiaries will spend their food stamp monies immediately, rather than save it or invest it.
This claim, however, obscures the fact that both saving and investment are also economically productive activities contributing to credit availability and business growth respectively. It also ignores the fact that taxpayers whose money is used to fund food stamp programs may have spent their money on other things, including food, thus also contributing to the economy.
 

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Since I'm somewhat ignorant about the DAg Food Stamp/EBT program, do the big manufacturers give the government a break for offering their foods for the program? FOr instance, Kelloggs probably sells a lot of corn flakes to food stamp recipients. Do they offer the government a break when their foods are purchased or do they earn the same, whether bought by a welfare queen or Bill Gates.
 

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If you know anything about food stamps you'd know there is
a large list of foods that can't be bought with them. This kind
of legislation is just a waste of time and resources. More feel
good legislation by people trying to meddle in everybody's lives.
 

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In Ohio, (at least at Save-A-Lot grocery store) the cash register readout says "FS Eligible" next to certain foods, and it totals up the amount of eligible and ineligible food prior to payment. I assume that things like beer, candy, and other bullshit could easily be placed on that list without too much hassle.



That isn't entirely true. Nancy Pelosi and the director of the Dept of Ag both have tried to spin food stamps as being a stimulus program. Thus they believe that they are creating jobs at whichever company makes the products that the food stamps are being spent on; this includes Coke and Pepsi.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-agriculture-secretary-food-stamps
Wait, so now CE is buying Pelosi bullshit?
 
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Well the problem with that was that more food was being dumped than given away - Your typical food stamp recipient isn't interested in those types of food.

I can remember when I was a little kid, they were going door to door trying to give away cheese & bags of rice to anyone, because otherwise the local agency would get less from the state & national gov'ts - it got to the point they just dumping the stuff in the river. I remember that cheese was good.

If they get hungry enough they'll eat whatever they're given.
 

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Wait, so now CE is buying Pelosi bullshit?
I'm not sure I get it. Do you mean are people her actually buying Nancy Pelosi's bullshit? If so, then no. I only used it to illustrate that those in government believe that food stamps are stimulus, not that I do.
 

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If you know anything about food stamps you'd know there is
a large list of foods that can't be bought with them. This kind
of legislation is just a waste of time and resources. More feel
good legislation by people trying to meddle in everybody's lives.


Then it would take a programmer about 30 seconds to write the code that would make soda ineligible to be purchased with food stamps. Every week stores program their systems with sale prices

I'm against gov't interference in peoples lives as much as you are, but if the tax payers are going to be forced into paying for food for people, then the tax payers have a right to decide what food they should be eating.
 

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Since I'm somewhat ignorant about the DAg Food Stamp/EBT program, do the big manufacturers give the government a break for offering their foods for the program? FOr instance, Kelloggs probably sells a lot of corn flakes to food stamp recipients. Do they offer the government a break when their foods are purchased or do they earn the same, whether bought by a welfare queen or Bill Gates.
I don't think so. The retailers would be the ones to cut the government a break, since they buy the food in bulk from the manufacturer and have no way of telling what portion will go to food stamps. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that grocery stores buy the products first and then sell them at whatever markup they want. Either way, cutting the government a break would probably mean a loss of profit margin for the store, which would discourage stores from accepting food stamps. Kind of like how doctors are refusing medicare patients because the government doesn't pay enough.
 

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I'm against gov't interference in peoples lives as much as you are, but if the tax payers are going to be forced into paying for food for people, then the tax payers have a right to decide what food they should be eating.
I guess I just don't get the hard on for soft drinks. Let em drink their grape soda.
It's a fuck of a lot cheaper than other drinks. If I'm paying, let em drink cheap shit.
 

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Didn't it say in that article that it would be too much work for the system to actively discriminate against 'unhealthy' foods?

Whether you're for the food stamp program or not is irrelevant, it's about providing folks with the means to acquire groceries, not about helping to prop up food companies. Stop trying to make this into something it's obviously not. Besides, Coke and Pepsi would do just fine without the folks acquiring their products with stamps.

40+ million people are on food stamps in this country - every single one of them who is permanently on food stamps is obese, I can assure you that Coke and Pepsi benefit greatly from food stamps - Pepsi more so, since they also make Fritos.
 

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40+ million people are on food stamps in this country - every single one of them who is permanently on food stamps is obese, I can assure you that Coke and Pepsi benefit greatly from food stamps - Pepsi more so, since they also make Fritos.
And maybe they're fat because they don't fucking work.

Laying around doing nothing tends to do that to people.
 

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Make drugs legal and kill people already.

this is better than Twinkies... dead a week later.. good riddance burden
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I guess I just don't get the hard on for soft drinks. Let em drink their grape soda.
It's a fuck of a lot cheaper than other drinks. If I'm paying, let em drink cheap shit.
If I'm paying, let them go fuck themselves and drink the free tap water that comes out of the sink.
 

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Since I'm somewhat ignorant about the DAg Food Stamp/EBT program, do the big manufacturers give the government a break for offering their foods for the program? FOr instance, Kelloggs probably sells a lot of corn flakes to food stamp recipients. Do they offer the government a break when their foods are purchased or do they earn the same, whether bought by a welfare queen or Bill Gates.

The whole Dept of Agriculture exists for the purpose of promoting corporate welfare, the joke is that there are more Dept of Ag agents than there are farmers, and anytime a farmer dies someone from the Dept of Ag has to take an early retirement.

There are all kinds of farm subsidies and minimum prices especially with corn & milk

As for the retailers, typically the big grocery stores do not own most of the name brand product in the stores, not only do they take a cut of the price they also charge the manufacturers for shelf space and advertising, and then a lot of the manufacturers have to come in and stock the shelves themselves.