Commercial load with possible merger

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I haven't heard much talk about the fact that if this merger goes through, there will be at least as many commercials on sattelite as terrestrial radio, if not more.

Imagine the XM side of O and A's show packed with 25 minute breaks. How about Ethel or Squizz loaded with advertisements?

Does anyone actually think this kind of crap won't happen? Why?
 

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Melvin is all about commercial advertising, he needs to recoup all that loot they gave to Howie, so the best way to kick start it is to buy Howie a bigger "audience."
 

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I haven't heard much talk about the fact that if this merger goes through, there will be at least as many commercials on sattelite as terrestrial radio, if not more.

Imagine the XM side of O and A's show packed with 25 minute breaks. How about Ethel or Squizz loaded with advertisements?

Does anyone actually think this kind of crap won't happen? Why?

won't really speak about commercial breaks on talk channel content. There's commercials there now, will be in the future.

As for commercials on the music channels? That will never happen. The only thing (music wise) satellite radio has to promote over terrestrial radio is commercial free music. Unless of course satellite radio wants to lose most of its subscribers.


Just curious too. Where did you here these "facts" that if this merger goes through, there will be at least as many commercials on sattelite as terrestrial radio, if not more?
 
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I haven't heard much talk about the fact that if this merger goes through, there will be at least as many commercials on sattelite as terrestrial radio, if not more.

Imagine the XM side of O and A's show packed with 25 minute breaks. How about Ethel or Squizz loaded with advertisements?

Does anyone actually think this kind of crap won't happen? Why?


Well I think your 'more commercial' theory is bogus, but when the XM/FM deal ends and a new contract comes up I don't think we'll have worry about the 9o'clock fm/satellite crossover and the wasted time and continuity break that creates because it'll be O&A working for satellite or fm.

O&A played the audio back in April of Mel on Howard's show saying he doesn't like to share talent.

So the question should be...
Imagine the show without the 9 o'clock wall they hit everyday? On satellite or fm it really needs to go away.
 
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Are you telling me you guys haven't heard commercials on squiz or flight 26 yet?!

I've been hearing commiercials snuck in here in there for weeks on music channels.
 

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Are you telling me you guys haven't heard commercials on squiz or flight 26 yet?!

I've been hearing commiercials snuck in here in there for weeks on music channels.

I haven't heard any commercials on the music channels. As for after the merger, I think we will see a more structured commercial schedule, similar to that of FM. I believe the days of 1 to 1.5 hours without a break will be long gone. Just speculating, not claiming any inside knowledge.
 
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won't really speak about commercial breaks on talk channel content. There's commercials there now, will be in the future.

As for commercials on the music channels? That will never happen. The only thing (music wise) satellite radio has to promote over terrestrial radio is commercial free music. Unless of course satellite radio wants to lose most of its subscribers.


Just curious too. Where did you here these "facts" that if this merger goes through, there will be at least as many commercials on sattelite as terrestrial radio, if not more?
More commercials on the sole sattelite company will be a "fact" along the lines that if I drink 3 cups of coffee, I will in "fact" have to take a dump. Notice how we've been lulled into listening to a censored, commerical-packed radio show on an XL channel. But we still do because we love O and A.

Also, they still have the cable news channels to pimp, MLB, NFL and special programming.

Mix in the fact that there is a former commercial radio president at the helm. He's probably already figuring out ways to jam commericals in here and there. Because he can.
 

pike

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As for commercials on the music channels? That will never happen.
What do you base that on? Do you know what Mel Karmazin is famous for? He singlehandedly turned Infinity Radio (CBS) into the empire it is now by dramatically increasing advertising.

The only thing (music wise) satellite radio has to promote over terrestrial radio is commercial free music.
Wrong. Satellite radio has many other selling points: out of market sports play by play, way more music choices than regular radio, tons of specialized talk channels and shows, nationwide coverage, data services.. it goes on and on.

Personally, and this is only a guess, I would say that if the merger goes through, advertising on music channels will become reality.

-Mike
 

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Here It in print more advertising


http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

To hear Sirius Satellite Radio CEO Mel Karmazin tell it, a merger between his company and competitor XM Satellite Radio will produce “hundreds of millions of dollars in savings” based on the findings of a third party contractor that, for “antitrust reasons,” according to Karmazin, has been hired by the two companies to review each company’s private papers and determine where duplication of costs can be saved in new synergies.


Karmazin told the Merrill Lynch Media and Entertainment Global Investor Conference in Marina del Rey, Calif., Monday morning (Sept. 17) that a merger between Sirius and XM will mean “more choices and better prices.” Karmazin emphasized that once the proposed $13.6 billion merger is cleared by federal regulators – which he hopes is by year’s end – consumers will have their choice of “more, lower-priced packages after the merger that will generate more subscribers and more revenue.” He also noted that sports fans will not only have more choices, but will be able to get NFL football and Major League Baseball on the same radio. He added, “A la carte pricing lets the consumer decide how much will be spent on radio.”


Karmazin seemed a bit peeved that the $13.6 billion satellite merger proposal had attracted four congressional hearings earlier this year while no Congressional hearings have been conducted for the proposed $80 billion Bell South-AT&T merger.



Karmazin told analysts that advertising revenue for Sirius “is about 4% to 5% of our overall revenues. I’d like to see that get up to 10% of our revenues."

Karmazin noted that Sirius’ programmers will not add advertising to the company’s popular spot-free music channels because that is the lure from terrestrial that has the satcaster gaining subscribers every quarter. Karmazin said Sirius claimed 75% of the new satellite subscribers last quarter and expects to end 2007 with more than 8 million. Karmazin said most consumers are so unhappy with the amount of commercials on terrestrial radio that it is a driver to satellite radio. “Putting commercials on music channels will disadvantage us, so we are committed to not putting commercials on our music channels,” he said.


He reported that only 3.7% of the market is subscribing to satellite radio. “The way we are going to grow our business is to grow the subscriber base and cut our subscriber acquisition costs.” He expects to reduce the SAC to less than $100 by year’s end. Sirius has enjoyed dual streams of revenues with advertising and subscriber’s monthly fees. Sirius’ had free cash flow in the fourth quarter of 2007 and Karmazin says it remains on that path today.


Karmazin said Sirius was the fifth fastest-growing radio company during the first half of 2007 with $431 million in revenue, with “pro forma” growth of 55.5%. Clear Channel topped winners with $1.7 billion in revenues, with pro forma growth at 2%; CBS had $861 million in revenues with a growth loss of 4.5%; XM had $541 million with 24.2% growth; Citadel, $465 million, minus 2.4%; Sirius; then Entercom with $225 million and flat growth; Cox Radio, $219 million, 1.9% growth; Univision Radio, $204 million, 15.4% growth; Radio One, $163 million, -3% growth; Cumulus, $160 million, 0.3% growth; and Emmis Radio, $122 million, with growth off by 5.8%.


Karmazin said Sirius has launched its Backseat TV service with three live video channels being sent to a car antenna the size of a hockey puck and that receivers in new cars are being included in Chryslers rolling off the assembly line right now. Aftermarket units will be available shortly.


NAB and terrestrial broadcasters have been battling SoundExchange over the rate they would be paying for streaming music on the Internet and paying a new fee for songs broadcast over the air. Karmazin, always ready to enjoy a poke at the NAB, noted how satellite broadcasters pay royalty fees to ASCAP, BMI and SoundExchange. “Our feeling is that we compete with terrestrial radio and they ought to pay SoundExchange to air recordings.”


Asked if Sirius would renegotiate new, less expensive air-rights deals with the NFL, NASCAR and other sports networks, Karmazin said the satcaster would honor all of the current contracts and that he does not believe that the current deals are “expensive,” considering the number of subscribers they attract to Sirius.
 

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Here It in print more advertising
I like how you didn't bold THE NEXT FUCKING PARAGRAPH :

Karmazin noted that Sirius’ programmers will not add advertising to the company’s popular spot-free music channels because that is the lure from terrestrial that has the satcaster gaining subscribers every quarter. Karmazin said Sirius claimed 75% of the new satellite subscribers last quarter and expects to end 2007 with more than 8 million. Karmazin said most consumers are so unhappy with the amount of commercials on terrestrial radio that it is a driver to satellite radio. “Putting commercials on music channels will disadvantage us, so we are committed to not putting commercials on our music channels,” he said.
 

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#13
uh...douchebag..."committed to not putting". Translation, it could happen.
 

coolyellowbus

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I like how you didn't bold THE NEXT FUCKING PARAGRAPH :
haha. Its not even like that was crammed in some obscure place of the article. It was as you put it in "THE NEXT FUCKING PARAGRAPH."

here it is again in case anyone missed it

Karmazin noted that Sirius’ programmers will not add advertising to the company’s popular spot-free music channels because that is the lure from terrestrial that has the satcaster gaining subscribers every quarter. Karmazin said Sirius claimed 75% of the new satellite subscribers last quarter and expects to end 2007 with more than 8 million. Karmazin said most consumers are so unhappy with the amount of commercials on terrestrial radio that it is a driver to satellite radio. “Putting commercials on music channels will disadvantage us, so we are committed to not putting commercials on our music channels,” he said.

I hate mel just as much as anyone here but lets put our feet down in that little place known as reality. There's not gonna be commercials on the music channels.
 

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Karmazin noted that Sirius’ programmers will not add advertising to the company’s popular spot-free music channels
So the unpopular channels, aka the ones coming from XM as far as Mr. Karmazzy is concerned, will be loaded with commercials



oh, and by the way, Steve Kingston
 

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Flight 26 plays lots of commercials and Highway 16 (yeah, I listen to country music) does as well. Driving back from AC my friends kept changing stations - something I rarely if ever do - so I can't say what stations they put on but a lot of them had commercials as well.

Just seems to be the trend which really sucks. Soon it'll be like terrestrial radio.
 

Turfmower

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I like how you didn't bold THE NEXT FUCKING PARAGRAPH :
Because someone wanted to know the source, so I googled it. I posted the whole article and the source so you can read it. So next time don't read my fucking posts and google it yourself.
 

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Imagine the XM side of O and A's show packed with 25 minute breaks. How about Ethel or Squizz loaded with advertisements?

Does anyone actually think this kind of crap won't happen? Why?
Doesn't the XM side already have more than 25 minute breaks?
 

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This merger is going to be the best advertisement for the ipod ever.
the only reason i have XM is for OandA. period. if i want to listen to music i have over 9000 songs on my ipod. if the merger fucks with the show in any way, no more XM for me.
 

pike

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Flight 26 plays lots of commercials and Highway 16 (yeah, I listen to country music) does as well. Driving back from AC my friends kept changing stations - something I rarely if ever do - so I can't say what stations they put on but a lot of them had commercials as well.
That's a totally different story and completely beyond XM's control. In fact XM sued Clear Channel over it and lost in binding arbitration. Use google if you need more info on that.

-Mike
 

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That's a totally different story and completely beyond XM's control. In fact XM sued Clear Channel over it and lost in binding arbitration. Use google if you need more info on that.

-Mike
those are the clear channel replacements and are commercial free. I'm calling shenanigans until I listen to these channels for myself. I'm gonna record each channel for about 3 hours each on my inno. If there's any commercials they'll show up on the pad data.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but if I recall correctly, XM originally had commercials on their music channels.

Sirius started out with commercial free music and XM said "Oh shit!!! that's a good idea!" and followed suit.



I'm pretty sure this is correct, because I originally had Sirius back before the boys had made any announcement as to where they were going, and that was the reason I picked it... because they were commercial free and XM wasn't.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but if I recall correctly, XM originally had commercials on their music channels.

Sirius started out with commercial free music and XM said "Oh shit!!! that's a good idea!" and followed suit.



I'm pretty sure this is correct, because I originally had Sirius back before the boys had made any announcement as to where they were going, and that was the reason I picked it... because they were commercial free and XM wasn't.
that's correct.
 

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I'm pretty sure this is correct, because I originally had Sirius back before the boys had made any announcement as to where they were going, and that was the reason I picked it... because they were commercial free and XM wasn't.
I don't even get why people think Mel will put commercials on the commercial free music stations. What kind of draw would be left for satellite, other than like 3 channels where people can swear. Yeah, I'm sure people will pay money to hear a couple of people swear.

COMMERCIAL FREE MUSIC STATIONS IS BIGGEST DRAW TO SATELLITE. Thinking that will change is fucking retarded.