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More updates on DC!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ad-movie-plans-making-sense-dcs-moves-1119489

Here's the best part!

The big question mark going forward is the future of Batman. Writer-director Matt Reeves turned in the first act of a new screenplay during the Memorial Day weekend. It's said to focus on a young caped crusader, and while the studio would not comment, it's unlikely that Ben Affleck, who has played Batman in three features, will again don the cowl.
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https://theplaylist.net/todd-philips-joker-film-20180613/

Todd Philips’ Joker Film Expected To Shoot This Fall With Joaquin Phoenix & Small Budget

Rodrigo Perez
June 13, 2018 12:05 pm


We’ll be repeating it all day: the DCEU is changing. After some major shakeups in the last two weeks—Geoff Johns is out as Chief Creative Officer— Walter Hamada, known for “The Conjuring” universe, has been named the president of DC Entertainment-based film. Evidently, Warner Bros. wanted someone with a cinematic universe that actually works.

“He walked into a shitshow, and he’s trying to clean it up,” an insider told THR this week. Indeed, after the colossal failure of “Justice League”—the lowest grossing film in the DCEU franchise— Hamada has lots of work to do to get this series on track.

So a new plan is forming: Step one, make a Batman film without Ben Affleck directed Matt Reeves (the ‘Planet Of The Apes‘ series), make the character younger and set it outside the current DC films continuity. Step two: make a fun, entertaining, “Back To The Future“-like Flash film. Lastly, keep going forward with your first of two Joker films.

READ MORE: ‘Wonder Woman 1984’ First Look: Chris Pine Is Back And We Have So Many Questions

Yep, despite a new Joker film in development with original new Clown Prince Of Crime, Jared Leto—got that?— DC Films/WB is doubling down on the idea of parallel DC universes. One will feature the characters and actors you already know, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, Jason Momoa as Aquaman, etc. and the other that looks like it may be launched under a new label that could be branded with a name like “DC Dark” or “DC Black.”

READ MORE: Geoff Johns Stepping Down As DC Films Exec And Instead Will Write ‘Green Lantern Corps’

This would be the, seemingly, darker, more adult version of the DC characters and films you know and the first one would be Todd Phillips‘ (“The Hangover” series) version of a Joker movie starring Joaquin Phoenix and exec-produced by Martin Scorsese (though his name seems to be missing from recent reports, so perhaps his involvement is distant at best).

So today’s update: yes, Todd Phillips’ film is still moving forward and it looks like it will shoot in the fall. Perhaps more importantly, despite acting evasive in every interview, it appears that Joaquin Phoenix will star in the film. Lastly, this Phillips-helmed Joker film will reportedly feature a budget of about $55 million, a fraction of most superhero pics and well under “moderately budgeted” genre films like “Logan” and “Alien Covenant” (both around the $90 million range).

So perhaps DC is aiming for something much more character driven and less VFX, set piece and action driven.

WB/DC Films, unlike Marvel, seems to have no qualms about franchise and branding confusion. That company seems to have no problem with a Flash on TV and a Flash in the movies and obviously seems happy to go forward with Supergirl and parallel stories and characters that aren’t in the movies. Whether the strategy will pay off on the big screen—two Jokers, two Batmans, etc.—remains to be seen, but the company has a lot of work to do before they can earn the goodwill of the general public back.

For every “Wonder Woman” step forward, there always seems to be a three-steps back film to follow it like “Justice League.”

Lastly, THR says “Hamada and his boss Toby Emmerich, sources say, also are not looking to date upcoming titles in advance, something they’re convinced has bedeviled the DC movies since 2013’s ‘Man of Steel.’ “Walter has a specific design for the universe,” says one insider familiar with his thinking. “He has a plan.” A coherent strategy for the DCEU would certainly be nice.
 

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“He has a plan.”

Get rid of Batman and replace him with Not Batman and Two Jokers.

Not a great plan.
 

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When does The Rock finally get to leave?
I would assume they still intend to go forward with Black Adam since Shazam is one of the very few announced projects that is actually getting made. Now if Shazam is a complete disaster then...

That’s what you meant, isn’t it?
 

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I would assume they still intend to go forward with Black Adam since Shazam is one of the very few announced projects that is actually getting made. Now if Shazam is a complete disaster then...

That’s what you meant, isn’t it?
I mean wasn't Black Adam supposed to be the 2019 movie? And there's a good chance he won't be in Shazam? When does his contract lapse?
 

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I mean wasn't Black Adam supposed to be the 2019 movie? And there's a good chance he won't be in Shazam? When does his contract lapse?
I don’t know I’m not his f’ing agent.

That felt good.

I would assume it has lapsed already, but I don’t see the Rock walking away from what would be a career defining role in a career that sort of doesn’t need one but kind of does. Plus, I’m sure it comes with a bigger payday and back end than movies like Rampage and Skyscraper.
 
So I wonder when WB/DC will finally release a statement that officially says that Affleck is no longer playing Batman.
 

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Cavill out! Maybe this means they will steer towards more Elseworlds, standalone territory, which honestly is exactly what they should be doing.

After a Superman Shake-Up, What Happens to the DC Film Universe?



A whole new universe of possibilities could open for the movieverse.
Where will the DC Universe go now?

With Henry Cavill out as Superman, what could the Warner Bros. film team be planning for its Kryptonian focus? According to Tatiana Siegel and Borys Kit's story on Wednesday, the studio could be placing Supergirl front and center when it comes to representing the S-shield. It’s a smart move, given the character’s existing fanbase and the chance it offers DC/Warners to retool the larger DC universe and move it away from earlier movies, as needs be.

Unfortunately, the current DC Cinematic Universe has exhausted the obvious comic book source material that would have allowed for a narrative excuse to drop Superman for an extended period of time — namely, the character’s death and resurrection. In comic book lore, Superman’s death at the hands of Doomsday in 1992’s Superman No. 75 lead to the character being absent from DC’s fictional universe for more than half a year, with the various Superman comic books even being temporarily suspended from publication for a number of months to sell the idea that the death was, perhaps, more permanent than the cynical fanbase believed.

The comic book resurrection of Superman also offered the potential to recast the role, in a sense; before the “real” Superman re-appeared, four characters showed up, each one laying claim in some way to the mantle and legacy of the character — two of them literally believed to be a resurrected Superman, another being a clone of the original, and the fourth an entirely separate character who nonetheless personified the morality and attitude of Superman at his best.

Ultimately, all turned out to be red herrings, but the idea that Superman would return from death alteredcould, in different circumstances, be used to insert a different actor into the role onscreen, explaining away Cavill’s replacement. Unfortunately for Warners and DC, Justice League did away with that possibility by bringing him back more or less as he’d been before.

There are other ways to write around Superman. Beyond literally ignoring the problem and never mentioning him — something that might, admittedly, be difficult when simultaneously introducing his cousin as a primary character — there’s the option of referring to him as simply being permanently busy saving the day elsewhere when danger calls on other heroes. He’s Superman, after all. Who’s to say he’s not helping deal with a natural disaster on the other side of the planet when Arch-Villain X threatens Coast City, Keystone or Gotham? It’s a solution that helps make the world seem a little bit larger, if it also risks making Superman look like the superhero version of a deadbeat dad.

Supergirl herself may be the key to the problem. Throughout the decades of the character’s existence, there have been occasions in which Supergirl has essentially subbed in for her cousin when various circumstances have demanded it — either he’s temporarily lost his powers, or been forced to abandon his traditional duties for one reason or another. Such a situation could come into play with DC’s movies moving forward, with Superman off in space for an extended period, lost in time, or forced into retirement until the powers that be decide that it’s time for him to return.

Such a move would also open up storytelling possibilities for the rest of the DC heroes, too. As Suicide Squadand Justice League demonstrated, Superman has assumed a position of moral authority in DC’s movie universe; what happens when that is gone, but only temporarily and it’s known that he’ll return at some point? How do the other heroes step up to fill the void? (Do they even try?) The method of his removal could also prove additive to the larger universe-building: What if he’s visiting the Phantom Zone, or traveling to the future to the Legion of Super-Heroes or meet any number of other characters from other periods of DC lore?

The move could allow Supergirl a space to become established in her own right, and Superman a chance to lie low for awhile until he and the audience have forgotten about what he previously looked like. It’s not death, but it’s the next best thing: A chance for rebirth, for the character and the larger cinematic universe as a whole.
 

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This seems like an awful lot of speculation and not an awful lot of reporting. They're making Supergirl and that means they won't make any more Superman movies?

That's...not how Supergirl works.



Also, this - which they seem to be basing their whole story on - is a flat out incorrect interpretation of Supergirl's very consistent origin over the past 15 years of Comics and the Supergirl TV show.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...rman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306

That's because the studio has shifted its focus to a Supergirl movie, which will be an origin story featuring a teen superheroine. This effectively removes an actor of Cavill's age from the storyline's equation given that Superman, aka Kal-El, would be an infant, according to DC lore.
In the comics and the show, Kara is in fact older than Kal, but something goes wrong with her ship and she is put into suspended animation, so that when she arrives on Earth after Kal, she is a teenager while he's in his 30's. They built two entire articles on the assumption that a teen Supergirl meant Superman wouldn't be in Universe. That's 100% incorrect.
 

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Cavill out! Maybe this means they will steer towards more Elseworlds, standalone territory, which honestly is exactly what they should be doing.

After a Superman Shake-Up, What Happens to the DC Film Universe?



A whole new universe of possibilities could open for the movieverse.
Where will the DC Universe go now?

With Henry Cavill out as Superman, what could the Warner Bros. film team be planning for its Kryptonian focus? According to Tatiana Siegel and Borys Kit's story on Wednesday, the studio could be placing Supergirl front and center when it comes to representing the S-shield. It’s a smart move, given the character’s existing fanbase and the chance it offers DC/Warners to retool the larger DC universe and move it away from earlier movies, as needs be.

Unfortunately, the current DC Cinematic Universe has exhausted the obvious comic book source material that would have allowed for a narrative excuse to drop Superman for an extended period of time — namely, the character’s death and resurrection. In comic book lore, Superman’s death at the hands of Doomsday in 1992’s Superman No. 75 lead to the character being absent from DC’s fictional universe for more than half a year, with the various Superman comic books even being temporarily suspended from publication for a number of months to sell the idea that the death was, perhaps, more permanent than the cynical fanbase believed.

The comic book resurrection of Superman also offered the potential to recast the role, in a sense; before the “real” Superman re-appeared, four characters showed up, each one laying claim in some way to the mantle and legacy of the character — two of them literally believed to be a resurrected Superman, another being a clone of the original, and the fourth an entirely separate character who nonetheless personified the morality and attitude of Superman at his best.

Ultimately, all turned out to be red herrings, but the idea that Superman would return from death alteredcould, in different circumstances, be used to insert a different actor into the role onscreen, explaining away Cavill’s replacement. Unfortunately for Warners and DC, Justice League did away with that possibility by bringing him back more or less as he’d been before.

There are other ways to write around Superman. Beyond literally ignoring the problem and never mentioning him — something that might, admittedly, be difficult when simultaneously introducing his cousin as a primary character — there’s the option of referring to him as simply being permanently busy saving the day elsewhere when danger calls on other heroes. He’s Superman, after all. Who’s to say he’s not helping deal with a natural disaster on the other side of the planet when Arch-Villain X threatens Coast City, Keystone or Gotham? It’s a solution that helps make the world seem a little bit larger, if it also risks making Superman look like the superhero version of a deadbeat dad.

Supergirl herself may be the key to the problem. Throughout the decades of the character’s existence, there have been occasions in which Supergirl has essentially subbed in for her cousin when various circumstances have demanded it — either he’s temporarily lost his powers, or been forced to abandon his traditional duties for one reason or another. Such a situation could come into play with DC’s movies moving forward, with Superman off in space for an extended period, lost in time, or forced into retirement until the powers that be decide that it’s time for him to return.

Such a move would also open up storytelling possibilities for the rest of the DC heroes, too. As Suicide Squadand Justice League demonstrated, Superman has assumed a position of moral authority in DC’s movie universe; what happens when that is gone, but only temporarily and it’s known that he’ll return at some point? How do the other heroes step up to fill the void? (Do they even try?) The method of his removal could also prove additive to the larger universe-building: What if he’s visiting the Phantom Zone, or traveling to the future to the Legion of Super-Heroes or meet any number of other characters from other periods of DC lore?

The move could allow Supergirl a space to become established in her own right, and Superman a chance to lie low for awhile until he and the audience have forgotten about what he previously looked like. It’s not death, but it’s the next best thing: A chance for rebirth, for the character and the larger cinematic universe as a whole.
This is surprising. He finally got to be Superman and now they're booting him. Think this is revenge for the stache?
 

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This is surprising. He finally got to be Superman and now they're booting him. Think this is revenge for the stache?
I don't know if it's revenge for the stache as much as a mutual acknowledgement that Cavill isn't a good fit to be the RDJ of the DCWhateverse. His star is rising in Hollywood so he's more in demand. At the same time, his take on Superman hasn't been nearly as well received as RDJ's Iron Man. It's kind of like the same thing that's happening with Pine and Hemmy on Star Trek.

I imagine that WB will be closely studying the reaction from the fans to this news and things could change if there's a major uproar.
 

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I don't know if it's revenge for the stache as much as a mutual acknowledgement that Cavill isn't a good fit to be the RDJ of the DCWhateverse. His star is rising in Hollywood so he's more in demand. At the same time, his take on Superman hasn't been nearly as well received as RDJ's Iron Man. It's kind of like the same thing that's happening with Pine and Hemmy on Star Trek.

I imagine that WB will be closely studying the reaction from the fans to this news and things could change if there's a major uproar.
I don't blame him though. It's Snyder's fault that he wasn't allowed to be Superman until the last five minutes of Justice League. And I thought he was fine at that. But I get wanting to cut ties with that universe.

So Cavill is out. Affleck is in a booze asylum. Good luck Gadot, Mamoa and Levi.
 

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Cavill out! Maybe this means they will steer towards more Elseworlds, standalone territory, which honestly is exactly what they should be doing.

After a Superman Shake-Up, What Happens to the DC Film Universe?



A whole new universe of possibilities could open for the movieverse.
Where will the DC Universe go now?

With Henry Cavill out as Superman, what could the Warner Bros. film team be planning for its Kryptonian focus? According to Tatiana Siegel and Borys Kit's story on Wednesday, the studio could be placing Supergirl front and center when it comes to representing the S-shield. It’s a smart move, given the character’s existing fanbase and the chance it offers DC/Warners to retool the larger DC universe and move it away from earlier movies, as needs be.

Unfortunately, the current DC Cinematic Universe has exhausted the obvious comic book source material that would have allowed for a narrative excuse to drop Superman for an extended period of time — namely, the character’s death and resurrection. In comic book lore, Superman’s death at the hands of Doomsday in 1992’s Superman No. 75 lead to the character being absent from DC’s fictional universe for more than half a year, with the various Superman comic books even being temporarily suspended from publication for a number of months to sell the idea that the death was, perhaps, more permanent than the cynical fanbase believed.

The comic book resurrection of Superman also offered the potential to recast the role, in a sense; before the “real” Superman re-appeared, four characters showed up, each one laying claim in some way to the mantle and legacy of the character — two of them literally believed to be a resurrected Superman, another being a clone of the original, and the fourth an entirely separate character who nonetheless personified the morality and attitude of Superman at his best.

Ultimately, all turned out to be red herrings, but the idea that Superman would return from death alteredcould, in different circumstances, be used to insert a different actor into the role onscreen, explaining away Cavill’s replacement. Unfortunately for Warners and DC, Justice League did away with that possibility by bringing him back more or less as he’d been before.

There are other ways to write around Superman. Beyond literally ignoring the problem and never mentioning him — something that might, admittedly, be difficult when simultaneously introducing his cousin as a primary character — there’s the option of referring to him as simply being permanently busy saving the day elsewhere when danger calls on other heroes. He’s Superman, after all. Who’s to say he’s not helping deal with a natural disaster on the other side of the planet when Arch-Villain X threatens Coast City, Keystone or Gotham? It’s a solution that helps make the world seem a little bit larger, if it also risks making Superman look like the superhero version of a deadbeat dad.

Supergirl herself may be the key to the problem. Throughout the decades of the character’s existence, there have been occasions in which Supergirl has essentially subbed in for her cousin when various circumstances have demanded it — either he’s temporarily lost his powers, or been forced to abandon his traditional duties for one reason or another. Such a situation could come into play with DC’s movies moving forward, with Superman off in space for an extended period, lost in time, or forced into retirement until the powers that be decide that it’s time for him to return.

Such a move would also open up storytelling possibilities for the rest of the DC heroes, too. As Suicide Squadand Justice League demonstrated, Superman has assumed a position of moral authority in DC’s movie universe; what happens when that is gone, but only temporarily and it’s known that he’ll return at some point? How do the other heroes step up to fill the void? (Do they even try?) The method of his removal could also prove additive to the larger universe-building: What if he’s visiting the Phantom Zone, or traveling to the future to the Legion of Super-Heroes or meet any number of other characters from other periods of DC lore?

The move could allow Supergirl a space to become established in her own right, and Superman a chance to lie low for awhile until he and the audience have forgotten about what he previously looked like. It’s not death, but it’s the next best thing: A chance for rebirth, for the character and the larger cinematic universe as a whole.
I don't blame him though. It's Snyder's fault that he wasn't allowed to be Superman until the last five minutes of Justice League. And I thought he was fine at that. But I get wanting to cut ties with that universe.

So Cavill is out. Affleck is in a booze asylum. Good luck Gadot, Mamoa and Levi.
Like I said, something about this story didn't smell right from the get-go. And now it's beginning to smell like Bullshit. I believe this woman is Henry Cavill's manager:

 

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