Do You Ever Find Yourself Liking "That" Record?

Neckbeard

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In a band's career there will usually be one record that is a critic's whipping boy and loathed by the fans.

You know. That record.

But I find myself liking a lot of band's "worst" output.

Example:
Slayer in the 1990s did what a lot of heavy metal acts did in the 1990s and early 2000s: They tried their hand at more groove and nu-metal style stuff.

This either worked or the critics and fans alike flat out rejected and proclaimed WORST RECORD EVER.
Megadeth did it with Risk. Some Anthrax fans say Stomp 442 or Volume 8 is that record.
Metallica's 2003 output Saint Anger (Did the lyfestylez determine the dethstylez? Did somebody ever pick the invisible kid up from off the grid?) is the poster child for that.

Well, Slayer did it with Diabolus in Musica and I fucking love it. There are duds, there are slow moments, but at its best it crushes. It is relentless, vigorous, fresh and a sound they should have really explored.

I'd rather have heard another record or two like this instead of 20 years of Seasons in the Abyss rehashing.


Between this, South of Heaven and Undisputed Attitude, Slayer probably had an honest-to-Satan
5 star hardcore punk/crossover thrash classic in 'em.
 

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Anthrax's 'Stomp 442' is brilliant and I'll fight anyone who says different.

But 'St. Anger' is still utter shit.
The Sound of White Noise, Volume 8, and Stomp 442.are the only albums I like. All their other albums blow.
 

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The Sound of White Noise, Volume 8, and Stomp 442.are the only albums I like. All their other albums blow.
While I can't agree with the second part of your post, I can definitely agree with you about the 3 albums you mentioned. I think The Sound of White Noise is one of the best metal albums of all time. While Stomp 442 and Volume 8 are damn good albums in their own right.
 

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I grew up with John Bush-era 'Thrax so that's my favourite stuff from them. I never much liked Joey Belladonna's thin warbling vocals.

That said, 'Worship Music' is outstanding.
 

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Black Flag's My War (1984). It's probably not the best example because that album is beloved in grunge and sludge metal circles, but side 2 of that record is despised among wannabe-punk Black Flag fans. To a lesser extent, I'm the same way with most of Black Flag's post-My War releases.
 

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I know a lot of Megadeth fans hate 'Youthanasia' but I really love that album.

Yeah, it's clearly them trying to chase the commercial success of Metallica's 'Black Album', but I think there's some great tunes on there and probably the best melodic hooks of Mustaine's career.

Most of the hate seems to come from the ballad 'A Tout Le Monde', which is still a great song. Although that redux with the broad from Lacuna Coil was wholly unnecessary.
 

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Imma say Neil Young's Tonight's the Night. Well-received critically but a commercial bomb and the end of the commercial period of Neil's career. I could play it endlessly.
 

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Metallica reload. There are plenty of baaaad songs on it especially fuel, I fucking hate that song and its one of Metallicas most popular hits. Anyway I can listen to it.

St Anger sucked a dick.
 

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Oooohh, I've got another one.

I still think Motley Crue's '94 self-titled album with John Corabi is the best thing they've ever done.

They spent a fortune on it and it sounds like it. The whole thing is wildly self-indulgent from both a production and songwriting standpoint but it sounds so good and the songs kick ass. Corabi's voice suits the heaviness of the material. To have had Vince Neil whine his way though these songs would have been laughable (kind of like seeing him live these days).

Anyway, this came out at the height of grunge and was pretty much a commercial disaster. The band went from playing stadiums to barely filling 5000 seaters through that period, and they ditched Corabi as soon as the tour ended.

Of course, since then they've gotten Fatty Neil back in the band, gone back to playing arenas, and have released several highly forgettable albums.

 

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I was just listening to Motley Crue's self titled album a couple of weeks ago. The only time I ever saw the Crue live was on the tour that supported it. Nautica Arena in Cleveland Ohio, summer of 1994. It was the first time I ever crowed surfed.
 

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Flipper's American Grafishy (1993). There are a few forgettable songs on this record, but most of the songs are great. "Fucked Up Once Again" and "Someday" in particular are gems that every Flipper fan should know.
 

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PanterA's The Great Southern Trendkill was despised by critics and didnt sell anywhere near what Far Beyond Driven or Vulgar Display of Power. Its my favorite album they ever put out. It sooooo disgustingly heavy
It starts with this:

And ends with this
 

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Rush's 1989 Presto album gets a lot of guff from fans that it was too thin sounding and a weak effort but it's always been one of my favs from them.

I'm also a big Elton fan and his 1986 Leather Jackets album not only got blasted by critics and fans as his worst, but he himself has gone on to disown it as a result of bad judgement from a drug and alcohol addiction and wished he never released it and is still the only album in his massive back catalog that he refused to allow to be remastered and re-released. That being said, there are a bunch of songs on it that I like very much. 'Slow Rivers', a duet with Cliff Richards, is one of his most underrated songs ever IMO
 

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St Anger sucked a dick.
Certainly did. But I think if you cut about two minutes of monotonous riffing out of each song and replace that fucking snare drum sound then you might be able to salvage it.

I'm not too concerned about the lack of solos because Hammett has sucked at that for nearly 20 years.
 

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PanterA's The Great Southern Trendkill was despised by critics and didnt sell anywhere near what Far Beyond Driven or Vulgar Display of Power. Its my favorite album they ever put out. It sooooo disgustingly heavy
It starts with this:

And ends with this
I never knew that. Pantera never released a bad album.
 

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In re: Motley Crue. I listened to Too Fast for Love the other day and remembered how high Vince used to be able to go with his voice. Guy isn't even close these days. Almost as bad as when I saw Sebastian Bach try and do 18 and Life and Youth Gone Wild a few years ago. He didnt even try to hit the high notes.

It makes the longevity of someone like Dio even more impressive.
 

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Certainly did. But I think if you cut about two minutes of monotonous riffing out of each song and replace that fucking snare drum sound then you might be able to salvage it.
You can say that about everything after the Black album. I don't know when these guys decided the world wanted to hear them do 80 minute blues-rock records when they used to do 45 minute thrash metal records.
The dummies even had a sticker bragging about having a 78 minute run time for Load. Christ.
Reload is just bad. B sides all the way. It was the stuff that wasn't good enough to make it onto Metallica's worst record up to that point.
Half of Load is alright, two or 3 tracks off Reload are alright. I think there might be about 50 minutes of decent stuff between that 150 minute train wreck.

There are lots of bands in metal that stay around forever and they put out one of those records that you know isn't top notch stuff from them but you keep listening to it. From the Underground and Below from Overkill is a pretty good example of that.
 

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I never knew that. Pantera never released a bad album.
Its not a bad album but critics hated it mostly due to most of the songs on the album shit all over critics and music mags for being lying sacks of shit. It didnt sell many copies because i dont know why but it took 8yrs for the album to go platinum
 

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"Adore" is my favorite smashing pumpkins album.

I also like Oasis's "Be here now" album more than any of their last two albums that the critics loved.

I don't know if any NIN albums were critical bombs but I love all of em.

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I don't know if any NIN albums were critical bombs but I love all of em.

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'With Teeth' and 'Year Zero' definitely caused some grumbling amongst friends of mine that like nin.