do you hate the Jeebus?

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petition to tax the churches

[h=1]Enforce federal 501(c)(3) regulations by removing the tax-exempt status from churches that engage in political activity.[/h] Since 2008, pastors of some churches have openly supported and advocated specific political candidates in sermons to members in early October in an event referred to as "Pulpit Freedom Sunday". According to Reuters, videos of these sermons are sent to the offices of the IRS.
According to section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, the provision of the tax code from which these churches derive their tax-exempt status, a compliant organization must not "participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of ... any candidate for public office."
The IRS has failed to remove the tax-exempt status of these churches despite their violations of tax code. This must change, and the law must be applied equally to everyone.
Created: Jun 23, 2012
Issues: Budget and Taxes, Civil Rights and Liberties
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
 

NuttyJim

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If I gotta pay taxes, these other groups should have to pay taxes.
 

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I agree with the sentiment, but let's be honest.

1. Online petitions are shit.

2. A petition on whitehouse.gov is going to be soundly ignored. These people don't give a fuck what you think.
 

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Forget just churches, tax all religious institutions. While we are at it, make sure the people that donate to religious institutions have the tax exemption removed for their donations to said institutions. Get that done and watch the deficit start to disappear.
 

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Are you afraid to write 'Jesus' because you're still afraid you'll be punished for blasphemy?
Like somehow when all is said and done and you're standing there in judgment about to go to hell, he'll go 'Well fuck, Negro, you just said 'Jeebus,' my bad.'

So is it:
A: You're trying to skirt the blasphemy rules by saying a cutesified version of the name the son of god or
B: You're just copying stupid hipsters who are trying to skirt blasphemy rules by saying a cutesfied version of the name of the son of god?
 
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Are you afraid to write 'Jesus' because you're still afraid you'll be punished for blasphemy?
Like somehow when all is said and done and you're standing there in judgment about to go to hell, he'll go 'Well fuck, Negro, you just said 'Jeebus,' my bad.'

So is it:
A: You're trying to skirt the blasphemy rules by saying a cutesified version of the name the son of god or
B: You're just copying stupid hipsters who are trying to skirt blasphemy rules by saying a cutesfied version of the name of the son of god?
I vote C: You're copying an old Simpsons episode.
 

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Are you afraid to write 'Jesus' because you're still afraid you'll be punished for blasphemy?
Like somehow when all is said and done and you're standing there in judgment about to go to hell, he'll go 'Well fuck, Negro, you just said 'Jeebus,' my bad.'

So is it:
A: You're trying to skirt the blasphemy rules by saying a cutesified version of the name the son of god or
B: You're just copying stupid hipsters who are trying to skirt blasphemy rules by saying a cutesfied version of the name of the son of god?
Or 3. He is Homer Simpson

[video=youtube;PVwCYJj4THQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVwCYJj4THQ[/video]

Edit: Dammit, LDM. I lost time googling the clip.
 

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they absolutely should be taxed

If they are legitimate charities then they should get that status.

If a church owns their building, they don't have to pay property tax, but if the Salvation Army rents a building, the owner of that building has to pay property tax - this isn't right.

The solution, all real property should be taxed, even gov't property
 

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they absolutely should be taxed

If they are legitimate charities then they should get that status.

If a church owns their building, they don't have to pay property tax, but if the Salvation Army rents a building, the owner of that building has to pay property tax - this isn't right.

The solution, all real property should be taxed, even gov't property
You had me up until the last part. Im not paying taxes so that a government building can pay itself back.
 

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Forget just churches, tax all religious institutions. While we are at it, make sure the people that donate to religious institutions have the tax exemption removed for their donations to said institutions. Get that done and watch the deficit start to disappear.
You could take every piece of gold in the Vatican and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit/debt. Pretending we can make up new people to tax (churches, drug users) in order to excuse reckless spending is crazy talk.
 

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I vote C: You're copying an old Simpsons episode.
Or 3. He is Homer Simpson

Edit: Dammit, LDM. I lost time googling the clip.
Point made.
I just think that you should either have the balls to say 'Jesus Christ, Alleged Son of God sucks a dick' because there is no god and no judgment, or if there is a god and judgment, then you're not going to get out of it by saying 'But I was quoting the Simpsons.'
 

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You had me up until the last part. Im not paying taxes so that a government building can pay itself back.
I know, but the fed gov't has all kinds of property in states and local govt's that isn't taxed. The National gov't owns most of the South West
 

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You could take every piece of gold in the Vatican and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit/debt. Pretending we can make up new people to tax (churches, drug users) in order to excuse reckless spending is crazy talk.
Never said that it was the magic solution, just that it would be a start. I understand that spending is out of control, but this thread is about taxing churches, not spending reform.
 

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Forget just churches, tax all religious institutions. While we are at it, make sure the people that donate to religious institutions have the tax exemption removed for their donations to said institutions. Get that done and watch the deficit start to disappear.
Churches do a lot of charitable things. Why shouldn't people who donate to them get the same benefits as if they donated to the Make-A-Wish foundation?
 

CousinDave

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You could take every piece of gold in the Vatican and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit/debt. Pretending we can make up new people to tax (churches, drug users) in order to excuse reckless spending is crazy talk.

property taxes (in this country) are used to fund local gov'ts. Half of Wilkes-Barre city isn't taxed because its all schools, gov't buildings, and religious

Like I said if they own the property they don't have to pay taxes on it, but if they rent the property the owner has to pay tax on it. I'm just saying treat all property the same
 

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Churches do a lot of charitable things. Why shouldn't people who donate to them get the same benefits as if they donated to the Make-A-Wish foundation?

Make-A-Wish has to pay property taxes on property that they own
 

Frankie_b

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Are you afraid to write 'Jesus' because you're still afraid you'll be punished for blasphemy?
Like somehow when all is said and done and you're standing there in judgment about to go to hell, he'll go 'Well fuck, Negro, you just said 'Jeebus,' my bad.'

So is it:
A: You're trying to skirt the blasphemy rules by saying a cutesified version of the name the son of god or
B: You're just copying stupid hipsters who are trying to skirt blasphemy rules by saying a cutesfied version of the name of the son of god?
....arte thou serial?

I deny the existence of the holy spirit.

that more what you're looking for?
 

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Churches do a lot of charitable things. Why shouldn't people who donate to them get the same benefits as if they donated to the Make-A-Wish foundation?
Because Jebus. Do people that donate to Scientology get the exemption? What happens when a church takes the charitable donations of its parishioners and builds a church the size of a shopping mall? Its got to be one or the other, unless you want to make the tax code another thousand pages long.

Edit: Also religious institutions arent set up to be charitable, they just happen to be charitable at times. Big difference between the two.
 

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Never said that it was the magic solution, just that it would be a start. I understand that spending is out of control, but this thread is about taxing churches, not spending reform.
fletcher
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....arte thou serial?

I deny the existence of the holy spirit.

that more what you're looking for?
People just pussy out with the "Jeebus" nonsense, was just wondering what your gig was, that's all.
 

CousinDave

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Point made.
I just think that you should either have the balls to say 'Jesus Christ, Alleged Son of God sucks a dick' because there is no god and no judgment, or if there is a god and judgment, then you're not going to get out of it by saying 'But I was quoting the Simpsons.'

Its always been my experience that any time a bunch of people have to say someone is great, then that person usually isn't great.

I like to tell Bible Bangers (most of whom have no concept that other religions exist) that their bible, that they claim is the word of god has been translated multiple times before it was written in a language that they understand & that there have to have been mistakes made in the translation and as a result of this, all this time they've been acting against gods plan, how else can you explain all the wars, famine, disease, earthquakes, floods, tornados, hurricanes, typhons, tsunamis, economy problems, legal problems, family problems, etc... that affect them