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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...t-sparks-outrage-girl-drunk-article-1.1432638

Dr. Phil sexual assault tweet sparks outrage, prompts petition: ‘If a girl is drunk, is it OK to have sex with her?'
The talk doctor sparked outrage after tweeting about sexual assault in a ‘yes or no’ question format. A rep for the 'Dr. Phil' show insists the question was a 'research post,' not a statement or joke.

The talk doctor sparked outrage after tweeting about sexual assault in a ‘yes or no’ question format. A Change.org petition was created hours later calling for an apology.

For someone so apt to give advice on tough emotional issues, Dr. Phil apparently didn't think before he took to Twitter to pose a question inferring **** on Tuesday.

"If a girl is drunk, is it OK to have sex with her?" a blunt message read. "Reply yes or no to @drphil"


@DrPhil via Twitter
'If a girl is drunk, is it ok to have sex with her? Reply yes or no to @drphil #teensaccused' the message, posted to Dr. Phil’s Twitter account, was deleted quickly on Tuesday.

The 62-year-old talk show psychologist, whose full name is Dr. Phil McGraw, often has themes and topics for his upcoming shows tweeted out to fans and followers for input, but this one appeared to spark outrage.

"Dr. Oz was saving lives today and Dr. Phil is trying to hook up with drunk girls," Samir Mezrahi of Buzzfeed wrote.

"If a person is a misogynist, is it ok to just refer to him as 'Dr. Phil' from now on?" another upset tweeter wrote.

Dr Oz was saving lives today and Dr. Phil is trying to hook up with drunk girls where is @oprah she needs to have an emergency team meeting

— samir mezrahi (@samir) August 20, 2013
The controversial tweet — which appears to reduce **** to a "yes or no" prompt in 140 characters — was taken down almost immediately, but not before it had the chance to spur a Change.org petition.

.@DrPhil if a doctoral-level therapist implies that **** is acceptable, does this advance **** culture?

— A. Rascal (@rascality) August 20, 2013
"I am shocked and appalled by this question," the petition's creator, Carmen Rios, wrote. By Wednesday afternoon her demands, calling for an apology and ****-awareness episode of his show, had netted over 800 signatures.

"Even though he took the tweet down, of course Dr. Phil should admit his error in judgment and apologize," she wrote.

It’s unclear whether McGraw himself, or an intern or PR team handles the Dr. Phil Twitter account, but the misstep has not gone unnoticed.

"He needs to go a step further,” Rios continues in her petition plea. “ I am asking Dr. Phil to produce a show that shines a light on survivors of **** and sexual assault and begin a national conversation about the specifics of consent."

That may have been the intended point, according to a show statement obtained by the Daily News.

"This tweet was intended to invoke discussion leading into a very serious show topic based upon a recent news story," a rep for the "Dr. Phil" show said. "It was a poll question, not a statement or a joke... This was a research post in preparation for a show, not a personal post and Dr. Phil deleted it the second he saw it."

"It was clearly ill-advised," the rep continued. "We sincerely apologize that it suggested anything other than what was intended, data gathering. As you can imagine, Dr. Phil is very upset that this happened."


See comments here: http://storify.com/jodiontheweb/drphil

Including from Andy Levy

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Are you "asking for a friend"? RT @DrPhil: If a girl is drunk, is it OK to have sex with her? Reply yes or no to @drphil #teensaccused

 

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The Breitbart article on this had this tweet:

@DrPhil By law when alcohol is a factor, no one can consent. Don't know what's happening to you? It's raipe, period. #teensaccused

Wait, really? Having sex with a girl that is drunk is raipe, period? And this is a feminist thing to say? "Oh, I get a couple of beers in me and I just lose all ability to judge things. I'm just a poor dumb woman!" I honestly don't get it.
 

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The Breitbart article on this had this tweet:

@DrPhil By law when alcohol is a factor, no one can consent. Don't know what's happening to you? It's raipe, period. #teensaccused

Wait, really? Having sex with a girl that is drunk is raipe, period? And this is a feminist thing to say? "Oh, I get a couple of beers in me and I just lose all ability to judge things. I'm just a poor dumb woman!" I honestly don't get it.
I'm going to say this isn't a feminist thing. I'm going to say this is a "idiot who doesn't completely understand the laws" thing. As well as a "the existence of this type of mentality has made me too scared to perform on occasion" thing.
 

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The Breitbart article on this had this tweet:

@DrPhil By law when alcohol is a factor, no one can consent. Don't know what's happening to you? It's raipe, period. #teensaccused

Wait, really? Having sex with a girl that is drunk is raipe, period? And this is a feminist thing to say? "Oh, I get a couple of beers in me and I just lose all ability to judge things. I'm just a poor dumb woman!" I honestly don't get it.
Not to mention if it wasn't for alcohol 95% of this board would never get laid
 

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I'm going to say this isn't a feminist thing. I'm going to say this is a "idiot who doesn't completely understand the laws" thing. As well as a "the existence of this type of mentality has made me too scared to perform on occasion" thing.
I saw a bunch of tweets from women who responded with an unequivocal "no." Now, if by "drunk" you mean "smashed to the point of not being able to speak or stand up" then I get it, but that's not what he asked. He said "drunk", which legally speaking is, what, 0.08 blood alcohol level? That's nothing.
 

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I saw a bunch of tweets from women who responded with an unequivocal "no." Now, if by "drunk" you mean "smashed to the point of not being able to speak or stand up" then I get it, but that's not what he asked. He said "drunk", which legally speaking is, what, 0.08 blood alcohol level? That's nothing.
I don't think most people who saw the question thought "what is the legal definition of drunkenness," and I don't think Dr. Phil was thinking about the legal definition of drunkenness either. How are you going to test that? The breathalyzer...in my pants!?!
 

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Wish someone would **** Dr. Phil's mouth with a piece of rusty re-bar.
 

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The Breitbart article on this had this tweet:

@DrPhil By law when alcohol is a factor, no one can consent. Don't know what's happening to you? It's raipe, period. #teensaccused

Wait, really? Having sex with a girl that is drunk is raipe, period? And this is a feminist thing to say? "Oh, I get a couple of beers in me and I just lose all ability to judge things. I'm just a poor dumb woman!" I honestly don't get it.
What if both parties are drunk? I it still ****?
 

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Was worried this was from a legitimate news source for a second.
 

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I don't think most people who saw the question thought "what is the legal definition of drunkenness," and I don't think Dr. Phil was thinking about the legal definition of drunkenness either. How are you going to test that? The breathalyzer...in my pants!?!
I don't know his intentions either, but if you are planning on getting legitimately upset about it, perhaps you should find out. The people making fun of him don't care what he intended to say because they're just joking, but the people who are legitimately outraged also don't seem to care what he intended, which is just fucked up and a big problem with society nowadays.
 

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Holy shit . . . he was obviously asking a rhetorical question to see how people think about the subject, even though he already had the answer. But apparently even asking the question is offensive in today's completely fucked society. Because if you ask the question, that means someone might disagree, and we can't have that.
 

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I don't know his intentions either, but if you are planning on getting legitimately upset about it, perhaps you should find out. The people making fun of him don't care what he intended to say because they're just joking, but the people who are legitimately outraged also don't seem to care what he intended, which is just fucked up and a big problem with society nowadays.
I saw it in the same vain as one of those stupid sex-ed questions for children. Safe Sex Is: Good or Bad? No details, no depth, just a simple, stupid question that you just give the one word answer they want to hear so you can move on.

In real life, how many people do you know when they use the term drunk in conversation literally mean it to mean ".08 BAC." If you're at a bar and someone points out a chick who is trashed and calls her "drunk," do you say "well that seemingly well-composed lady had two Miller Lights in less than an hour, so I believe that label would also apply to her."
 

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I don't know his intentions either, but if you are planning on getting legitimately upset about it, perhaps you should find out. The people making fun of him don't care what he intended to say because they're just joking, but the people who are legitimately outraged also don't seem to care what he intended, which is just fucked up and a big problem with society nowadays.
That and "journalists" taking the time to people who get upset over shit on Tiwtter.
 

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I saw it in the same vain as one of those stupid sex-ed questions for children. Safe Sex Is: Good or Bad? No details, no depth, just a simple, stupid question that you just give the one word answer they want to hear so you can move on.

In real life, how many people do you know when they use the term drunk in conversation literally mean it to mean ".08 BAC." If you're at a bar and someone points out a chick who is trashed and calls her "drunk," do you say "well that seemingly well-composed lady had two Miller Lights in less than an hour, so I believe that label would also apply to her."
True, but I also don't really use it to describe someone who is so out of it that they are incapable of giving consent. It's generally somewhere in the middle of those two things. And the only reason I brought up BAC was because of the talk of raipe. If you want to start getting into legal definitions, then you have to set precise lines.
 

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I would say he meant really drunk. Not just had a couple. No one would publicly condone fucking the passed out girl.

I wonder if there is a public safe way to ask that question.


I have seen some sickos with this sign through the years. B b b but I thought it innocent fun

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If women are unable to make adult decisions when they drink, and be held accountable for them, then we better ban them from consuming alcohol for their own safety.
 

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If women are unable to make adult decisions when they drink, and be held accountable for them, then we better ban them from consuming alcohol for their own safety.
One way to depopulate the planet.

No nookie for you...
 

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The Breitbart article on this had this tweet:

@DrPhil By law when alcohol is a factor, no one can consent. Don't know what's happening to you? It's raipe, period. #teensaccused

Wait, really? Having sex with a girl that is drunk is raipe, period? And this is a feminist thing to say? "Oh, I get a couple of beers in me and I just lose all ability to judge things. I'm just a poor dumb woman!" I honestly don't get it.
What if the guy is drunk too? Then they both go to prison, right?
 

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When are we going to grow up and remove the restriction on the word rape here? It's not like we use it like the n-word and it would show up in searches.
 

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When are we going to grow up and remove the restriction on the word rape here? It's not like we use it like the n-word and it would show up in searches.
When it stops showing up in web crawlers and search engines bring the torch and pitchfork crowds.

AkA never.