EPA using drones to spy on people: EPA defends aerial surveillance

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Published Monday June 4, 2012

EPA defends aerial surveillance

By Joe Duggan
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU

LINCOLN — Snapping photos of livestock farms from an airplane is a legal and cost-effective way to help protect Nebraska and Iowa streams from runoff contamination, say officials with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

The agency's aerial surveillance program came under scrutiny last week when Nebraska's congressional delegation sent a joint letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson. The elected officials asked Jackson to reply by June 10 to a list of 25 questions, including whether federal law allows such surveillance.

On Friday, EPA officials in the agency's Region 7 office in Kansas City provided written responses to questions emailed earlier in the week by The World-Herald.
“Courts, including the Supreme Court, have found similar types of flights to be legal (for example to take aerial photographs of a chemical manufacturing facility) and EPA would use such flights in appropriate instances to protect people and the environment from violations of the Clean Water Act,” the agency said in response to a question about legality.

Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., a former U.S. agriculture secretary, said Friday he remains highly doubtful the agency has congressional authority to act as an eye in the sky.
“They are just way on the outer limits of any authority they've been granted,” he said.
Nebraska's two senators and three representatives signed the letter at the urging of livestock producers who consider the flyovers an invasion of privacy and heavy-handed government intimidation.

The producers also worry that a greater EPA presence in the state will lead to more costly manure-control modifications on their farms, dairies and feedlots, said Chuck Folken, owner of a 7,500-head cattle feed yard near Leigh and former president of the Nebraska Cattlemen. Folken said he and many other producers find it easier to work with the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality than with federal environmental enforcers.

“The state comes out and inspects us and watches us,” he said. “They (EPA officials) are overstepping what the state is doing and I think it's unnecessary.”
The flyovers are no more welcomed by livestock producers in Iowa, said Dal Grooms, spokeswoman for the Iowa Cattlemen's Association in Ames. The most common complaint she hears involves producers who have to spend money meeting one set of state regulations only to have the feds come in with a different set.

“We all want clean water,” she said, “but if you fine us these exorbitant amounts, suddenly you're putting people out of business.”

Livestock producers and their elected representatives also say they object to the EPA keeping the flyover program quiet until recent months. Johanns said the letter from the delegation is largely an effort to learn more about the program.

The EPA declined The World-Herald's request to interview a staff member knowledgeable about the flyover program. Instead, the agency provided written responses, parts of which are summarized below:
Surveillance flights began in 2010 in Iowa and 2011 in Nebraska. The EPA has conducted seven flights in Iowa and nine in Nebraska.

Though aerial surveillance is used by the agency in other parts of the country, the EPA has not flown over livestock operations in Kansas or Missouri, the two other states in Region 7.
It has focused on Iowa and Nebraska because those states have a greater number of what are called concentrated livestock feeding operations situated in watersheds with histories of contamination.

The planes usually maintain altitudes of 1,200 to 1,500 feet. The EPA alerts state environmental agencies before it takes to the air, but does not notify livestock owners.
Photos taken during a flight are evaluated to see if it appears livestock waste is being discharged into streams, ponds or lakes. The agency is looking for runoff of livestock waste, a potential violation of the federal Clean Water Act.

The EPA does not levy fines or take other enforcement actions against a livestock producer based solely on photos, the agency said. If the photos indicate potential problems, an inspection is done at the site to determine if violations have occurred.

“The flights have identified potential problems, and in some cases, serious contamination, that were subsequently investigated through on-site inspections,” the agency wrote.
So far more than 90 percent of the operations viewed by air have been in compliance. By eliminating the need for on-site inspections at these operations, the flyovers have saved money.
Contact the writer:
402-473-9587, joe.duggan@owh.com
Of course its to protect us.
 

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walking along the a stream and testing the water for pollutants? A.O.K.
going to the farm and looking at their waste control efforts? A.O.K.
Flying over the farm to look at their waste control efforts? its shredding the constitution and leading to a new world order of bilderberg chem trail fluoridated water overlords that will suck your soul from your body and feed it to your children in their gov. run indoctrination clinic kindergartens.
 

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Defender of the scum at CPS and defender of the EPA using drones to watch us so we don't hurt the poor wittle earth. Very trendy.
Child protective services?
 

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The surveillance itself doesn't seem unconstitutional to me because they aren't trespassing on your property, however the general EPA enforcement itself may be so under the 10th Amendment. The problem with environmental agencies is they for some reason get to skirt a lot of the regulations placed on other law enforcement agencies. While not a federal agency, the California Coastal Commission is one of the most overreaching and unrestrained agencies in the country, which makes them very similar to the EPA.
 

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Defender of the scum at CPS and defender of the EPA using drones to watch us so we don't hurt the poor wittle earth. Very trendy.
Worshiper of Jones. Seeing the entire world in black and white, good and evil, absolutes of right and absolutes of wrong. Very sheltered.
 

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Child protective services?
It's a reference to another thread...

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php/102358-Authorities-capture-Adolph-Hitler!

Kirk doesn't understand how CPS agencies operate in the real world. In his childish, sheltered view, Kirk has put them in his Nazi pigeon hole. Therefore ALL CPS agencies are centrally-controlled by the globalists and they are a child-snatching, rights-trampling, goose-stepping eugenics agency.

Kirk has no experience with how things work in the real world because he is an agoraphobic shut-in who shuns human contact and social interaction. Reality is complicated, confusing and frightening... therefore Kirk prefers to believe the simple and dependable narrative of the fantasyworld that he finds in the Alex Jones script.
 

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It's a reference to another thread...

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php/102358-Authorities-capture-Adolph-Hitler!

Kirk doesn't understand how CPS agencies operate in the real world. In his childish, sheltered view, Kirk has put them in his Nazi pigeon hole. Therefore ALL CPS agencies are centrally-controlled by the globalists and they are a child-snatching, rights-trampling, goose-stepping eugenics agency.

Kirk has no experience with how things work in the real world because he is an agoraphobic shut-in who shuns human contact and social interaction. Reality is complicated, confusing and frightening... therefore Kirk prefers to believe the simple and dependable narrative of the fantasyworld that he finds in the Alex Jones script.
Wow. Nobody has described this wannabe troofer more concisely.

Bravo.
 

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Defender of the scum at CPS
This is Kirk lashing out in anger. He's angry because I dared to question "the script". I suggested that not all CPS agents are evil. That goes against Kirk's black and white view of the world. ALL CPS agents MUST go into the "bad guy" pigeon hole... they MUST!

To suggest that there are gray areas is to go against "the script"... the script that helps Kirk make sense of a complicated, inconsistent, and often contradictory world. Any notion which dares to question the absolute accuracy of the script must be attacked! And the questioner must be placed into the "trendy" pigeon hole!

Reality will conform to the narrative script! It will! It must and it will!
 

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Obviously what the EPA is REALLY doing is spraying aspartame and other chemicals into the air as part of their role in the New World Order and One World Governments plot to reduce the human population.
 

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I would assume local waterworks filtration processes or natural ground filtration would keep the cow shit out of your drinking water.
Most people outside of the cities get their water from wells. If the EPA did nothing about animal shit run off from industrial farms every river would be an open sewer running into the ocean. We get our water from the Missouri River. Even with the EPA the river is a fucked up hodge podge of cow shit and other industrial run off. People don't even water ski on it anymore because if the spray gets in their mouth, they are going to be very sick.
 

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pssssst.....Kirk is a work.
Why? Because it's just not possible that a person could be so ridiculous and clueless? It must be a work? Nobody could possibly believe such utter nonsense with such enthusiasm?

Um... the huge audiences of The Alex Jones Show and Coast to Coast AM would seem to indicate otherwise.

It's good to see somebody who still has faith in the collective intellect of the US public though. My own faith was shattered long ago.
 
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Ummm what's the difference between a plane flying over and taking pictures compared to a drone?
 
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I would assume local waterworks filtration processes or natural ground filtration would keep the cow shit out of your drinking water.
One would think that... but is someone screws the pooch at the water dept... you get this...

The Walkerton tragedy and Ontario's water crisis-some political lessons
By Lee Parsons
4 November 2000

The opening of a judicial inquiry on October 16 and the recent publication of two investigative reports have again focused attention on the e-coli contamination of Walkerton, Ontario's water supply that resulted in the deaths of at least seven people last spring. Notwithstanding their limitations, each of these inquiries has further substantiated the charge that the Ontario Tory government played a decisive role in preparing the Walkerton tragedy and that similar problems are to be found in communities across Canada's most populous province.


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This is Kirk lashing out in anger. He's angry because I dared to question "the script". I suggested that not all CPS agents are evil. That goes against Kirk's black and white view of the world. ALL CPS agents MUST go into the "bad guy" pigeon hole... they MUST!

To suggest that there are gray areas is to go against "the script"... the script that helps Kirk make sense of a complicated, inconsistent, and often contradictory world. Any notion which dares to question the absolute accuracy of the script must be attacked! And the questioner must be placed into the "trendy" pigeon hole!

Reality will conform to the narrative script! It will! It must and it will!
That script sounds....kinda...orwellian. Just sayin'.
 

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Most people outside of the cities get their water from wells. If the EPA did nothing about animal shit run off from industrial farms every river would be an open sewer running into the ocean. We get our water from the Missouri River. Even with the EPA the river is a fucked up hodge podge of cow shit and other industrial run off. People don't even water ski on it anymore because if the spray gets in their mouth, they are going to be very sick.
I grew up on a dairy and we got our water from a well that was in the middle of a cow field. I also live in an area that gets 60+ inches of rain a year, so the soil is very saturated. Even considering all of this, there was never an issue with our water for as long as my family has lived on the land, and it's regularly tested.

Now I understand polluting the river itself. Obviously this has implications for people who use the water for recreation, as well as affecting the ecosystem... I was just saying that most drinking water is not going to be pumped unfiltered from a river.
 

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That script sounds....kinda...orwellian. Just sayin'.
Oh absolutely. Kirk is a complete Orwellian-controlled drone. He take ALL of his marching orders, thoughts and his "opinions" from a central authority. Every link he provides is straight from the Alex Jones script...

http://www.infowars.com/tucker-bilderberg-wants-mitch-daniels-as-romneys-vp/

Even when he tries to disguise them as his own autonomous finds, like he did with the link in his OP, he's not fooling anybody... we all know his original source was his central authority... "the script giver"...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/epa-using-drones-to-spy-on-cattle-ranchers-in-nebraska-and-iowa.html

He doesn't question any of it, he doesn't compare and contrast what "the script" tells him against his own personal experience(What personal experience? He has none.) He just goes to the central authority, reads the script, and regurgitates... like a good little mindless drone.
 

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Most people outside of the cities get their water from wells. If the EPA did nothing about animal shit run off from industrial farms every river would be an open sewer running into the ocean.
The problem is that they are conducting surveillance without a warrant or probable cause, not that they are doing "something".

Oh, and I think you are a teenie tiny bit overstating the scale of the "animal shit" problem.