Fayetteville approves freeze on police search practice

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http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10634809/


FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Fayetteville leaders on Monday night approved a temporary freeze on so-called police consent searches, which have drawn criticism by some who believe the method to be racially biased.

The moratorium will be in place for 120 days or until a consulting group reports its findings to the City Council about the practice, in which police can ask drivers for permission to search a vehicle based on nothing more than a hunch.

Monday night's 8-2 vote came amid two differing legal opinions about whether the city has the authority to put consent searches on hold.

The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association addressed the council at Monday's meeting, urging them to vote against the moratorium and arguing that it violates state and federal law.

"You are setting a precedent that a local government can set aside or supercede state and federal law," said John Midgette, the group's executive director. "Our courts have long held that that can't be done."

Mayor Tony Chavonne said it was time for the city to consider a policy change.

"When an issue continues to grow and divide our community, and it remains unaddressed by staff, as this one has for over a year now, then the council does have the final responsibility to step in," Chavonne said.

He added that he didn't mind the city being a "legal test case," as long as it's "a legal test case for what's right."

City Council members Valencia Applewhite and Keith Bates voted against the measure.

"I am not convinced that we are not in violation of state statute," Applewhite said.

The decision comes after an analysis of traffic stops over the past two years by The Fayetteville Observer showed that black drivers accounted for three out of every four searches.

Those numbers have drawn concern of racial profiling from groups such as the NAACP, but Fayetteville's police chief has defended the practice as a useful law enforcement tool and has said the searches aren't racially motivated.

The consultant, National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, will be paid $30,000 for its review, which could be complete within 60-75 days.
 

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I'm not shocked, "Fayette-Nam" is a shit hole filled with nothing but run down ghetto, strip clubs, and pawn shops. Oh yeah, Fort Bragg is there too. Keep tying the PO-LICE's hands so they can't do their job properly and in a sense falsely lowering crime stats.
 

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I'm not shocked, "Fayette-Nam" is a shit hole filled with nothing but run down ghetto, strip clubs, and pawn shops. Oh yeah, Fort Bragg is there too. Keep tying the PO-LICE's hands so they can't do their job properly and in a sense falsely lowering crime stats.
I haven't lived in Fayetteville in over 2 years, and I STILL can't stand that shithole.

While there are nicer parts of town, it's mostly overrun with hood rat wannabe's and gibemedats. It's really been going down the tubes lately, too - this being a big part of it. The hood rats got tired of the cops pulling over their fucking Crown Vic's on 24" rims, and kept whining to the local equivalent of Al Sharpton to get the cops to stop busting them.

Pro tip: If you find yourself in Fayetteville, and need medical attention - go anywhere BUT Cape Fear Valley hospital. They are firing their entire police force (Yes, the hospital had its own armed and sworn police) because of budget cuts, and actually think FPD is going to help if some hood rat comes in shooting up the place. :icon_roll
 

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I ended up in a strip club there and promptly walked out depressed once the nice naked women getting close with me confessed that her husband was out on deployment and she was doing this to make money. It is one of the many places in this country that should be burnt to the ground.
 

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I ended up in a strip club there and promptly walked out depressed once the nice naked women getting close with me confessed that her husband was out on deployment and she was doing this to make money. It is one of the many places in this country that should be burnt to the ground.
Half the strip clubs in Fayetteville have been replaced with rub-n-tug joints.
 
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While I hate the concept of martial law, I have a fleeting concept in my mind that I wish could find some light of day.

If you're military, you should always be able to exist with an exposed, on your hip sidearm just like an off duty cop. Active duty military would then be allowed to have the same considerations as local police.

I hate the ramifications of the idea, for obvious federal reasons, but I can't help but think that horrible places like Fayettville would have far less incidences if they walk into a room and see buzz cut mil guys with .45's on their hip. Honestly, it makes a lot of sense if you consider the training they would receive being military trained versus the bullshit, degree in Criminal Justice dipshits.

A military guy will always be the first to say, "Hey buddy, I've got a gun, maybe you should relax and let me buy you a beer."

A cop's going to shoot the kid and hope for the best in the reports.

Just my 2 cents from the guy who respects cops but hates what the government has made them become.
 

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While I hate the concept of martial law, I have a fleeting concept in my mind that I wish could find some light of day.

If you're military, you should always be able to exist with an exposed, on your hip sidearm just like an off duty cop. Active duty military would then be allowed to have the same considerations as local police.

I hate the ramifications of the idea, for obvious federal reasons, but I can't help but think that horrible places like Fayettville would have far less incidences if they walk into a room and see buzz cut mil guys with .45's on their hip. Honestly, it makes a lot of sense if you consider the training they would receive being military trained versus the bullshit, degree in Criminal Justice dipshits.

A military guy will always be the first to say, "Hey buddy, I've got a gun, maybe you should relax and let me buy you a beer."

A cop's going to shoot the kid and hope for the best in the reports.

Just my 2 cents from the guy who respects cops but hates what the government has made them become.
Most of the SOF types and a lot of the 82nd guys are already packing, just concealed. You'd be surprised how many of the ghetto trash around Fayetteville are active or former Army, usually in some of the Big Green units and support elements.

Dealing with the retards in Fayetteville is why I am a big fan of bug out/get the hell home bags.

Edit to add: NC already has no-permit open carry, but not many people take advantage of it. Around Cumberland county, you're MUCH better off being concealed.
 
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I get what you're saying bro...

But tell me it's not a good idea for a federal mandate.

We've reached a point where the local PDs have more power than the federal government in the sense of the young men who know their craft better than the dipshits who own a badge.

I'm at a quandary on this one, but I'd much rather know an E-3 Ranger has his side-arm and is capable of diffusing a situation than a 10 year on the force in bum-fuck knowhere has that power.

Yes, I purposefully misspelled knowhere.
 

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I get what you're saying bro...

But tell me it's not a good idea for a federal mandate.

We've reached a point where the local PDs have more power than the federal government in the sense of the young men who know their craft better than the dipshits who own a badge.

I'm at a quandary on this one, but I'd much rather know an E-3 Ranger has his side-arm and is capable of diffusing a situation than a 10 year on the force in bum-fuck knowhere has that power.

Yes, I purposefully misspelled knowhere.
So get federal CCW reciprocity passed.
 

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I realize it's a shit area and all, but these so-called "consent" searches are bullshit anyway. Sounds like they're just trying to make their jobs easier without having to do actual police work.
 
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I'm wondering why should you get pulled over if you're driving properly
 

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I realize it's a shit area and all, but these so-called "consent" searches are bullshit anyway. Sounds like they're just trying to make their jobs easier without having to do actual police work.
They were mainly pulling over possible drug dealers in some of the shadier parts of town, and hoping to rattle them enough to either make them slip up, or to at least to curtail some of the dealing activity. Fayetteville has one of the worst crime rates in the state, and has made some national lists for most crime and worst places to live. Their crime index on City Data is about double the national average.
 
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They were mainly pulling over possible drug dealers in some of the shadier parts of town, and hoping to rattle them enough to either make them slip up, or to at least to curtail some of the dealing activity. Fayetteville has one of the worst crime rates in the state, and has made some national lists for most crime and worst places to live. Their crime index on City Data is about double the national average.
possible
 

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:haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7:

Funniest thing I've read all day.

I have never, ever, heard of someone getting pulled over that didn't give a cop a good reason. Drive the speed limit, come to a complete stop, make sure your lights all work and pay your tabs and you will never get pulled over.
 

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If the idiots being pulled over are too stupid to just say "No officer, you may not search my vehicle" then fuck em.
 

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I ended up in a strip club there and promptly walked out depressed once the nice naked women getting close with me confessed that her husband was out on deployment and she was doing this to make money.
She confessed that she was stripping for the money?

And how does her husband's deployment prevent her from working in an office for a living, like everybody else?
 

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She confessed that she was stripping for the money?

And how does her husband's deployment prevent her from working in an office for a living, like everybody else?
It's Fayetteville. At least half the women there are just that fucked up in the head.