Federal judge accused of saying minorities predisposed to commit violent crime

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Judge Edith Jones on a visit to Iraq in 2010. (USCourts.gov)A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.

According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:
adly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

The judge said "certain racial groups" are "prone" to violence, according to the complaint. Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.
In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.

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You cross it out and expect us to read it?
 

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Racial realities... the ultimate insult to liberal sensibilities.
 

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The groups say the comments are prejudiced
Technically aren't these comments postjudiced? I mean, she's a judge saying things based on experience, so how is she prejudging things?
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According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:
“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.
Judge Edith Jones (maiden name: Cumia)
 

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Federal judge accused of saying minorities predisposed to commit violent crime
The human race in general is predisposed to violence. Social and parental influence drive that out of us during our formative years. Some cultures, however, encourage violence. The problem is hardly racial in in its fundamental nature, although racial tension, white guilt, and mainstream black culture greatly exacerbate that problem.
she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row
True, but that's partially because juries are more inclined to hand a death sentence to a minority defendant than they are to a white defendant for the same crime. It's the same story with gender. Men are more likely to get the death penalty than women for the same offense.
By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.
The violent crime comes from drug prohibition. Laws prohibiting drug manufacturing, trafficking, dealing, and consumption are (in this country) are usually written by upper-class white people.

This shit really bugs me. I know I one of the few here that doesn't view the judge's words as a harsh truths, but then again, I have a very different perspective on race. I grew up in the suburbs and most of the black people I grew up around were assimilated while still being distinctly black. There weren't any real race issues in the schools I went to. The problems that my peers had with each other were over normal teenage bullshit (pride, machismo, etc.). Other than that, people generally got along. That's why I think it's retarded when people assert that people's behavior is somehow dictated by the color of their skin instead of by the culture they grow up in. I've seen white people that might as well have been black ghetto trash stereotypes.
 

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Regardless of statistical analysis, having now been tainted with the charge of racial bias all of Judge Jones' prior rulings will fall under suspicion of discrimination, eventually leading to calls for justice and retrials. This is why we must place misguided feelings aside and address the ongoing cultural problems of certain elements of our society.
 

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Regardless of statistical analysis, having now been tainted with the charge of racial bias all of Judge Jones' prior rulings will fall under suspicion of discrimination, eventually leading to calls for justice and retrials. This is why we must place misguided feelings aside and address the ongoing cultural problems of certain elements of our society.
What is this logic youre spewing? It has no place on teh intertubes
 

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That's why I think it's retarded when people assert that people's behavior is somehow dictated by the color of their skin instead of by the culture they grow up in.
You don't think it's more likely for black people to grow up in the sort of culture that leads them into a violent/criminal lifestyle?
 

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You don't think it's more likely for black people to grow up in the sort of culture that leads them into a violent/criminal lifestyle?
Any race that embraces 'thug culture' is doomed to a violent end.

Look at the failure of alcohol prohibition and the violence it caused amongst whites.
 

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You don't think it's more likely for black people to grow up in the sort of culture that leads them into a violent/criminal lifestyle?
Only by virtue of the fact that so many of them tend to live in the inner city. That in and of itself is a cultural trait.
 

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Any race that embraces 'thug culture' is doomed to a violent end.

Look at the failure of alcohol prohibition and the violence it caused amongst whites.
Subcultures like oi punk and skinhead movements and places like Southie in Boston trailer parks in the South have both long been hubs of anti-intellectual, anti-education, pro-street violence thought among whites.

On a side note, if anyone thinks that just black and Hispanic criminals are savages, I suggest that you read up on The Manson Family and Ed Gein.