Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Party Rooster, Jul 7, 2012.
SCOTUS didn't seem to have a problem with the same privacy clause being incorporated within PPACA. Maybe Florida should adopt it after all.
I still don't understand why a pediatrician would even ask that question in the first place.
I agree with the judge's decision.
I didn't know that children in Florida were allowed to own guns...........
One of the big doctors associations was pushing for pediatricians to ask parents about firearms in the home, then push them to get rid of them, etc - even to the point of refusing to see patients who owned guns.
I didn't write the headline. But like WP said, it's some bullshit do-gooder doctor association meddling in gun laws. I guess I see the point in not barring docs from simply asking the question, but I'd find another doctor if he started asking stupid questions like that when he's giving my kid his measles vaccine.
God forbid you own a gun as your pediatrician pumps your kid full of Ritalin because he's creative.
EDIT: Oh, wait. That's a shrink. You get the idea, though.
EDIT 2: If your doctor asks you if you own a gun, just say no. Why are you obligated to tell the truth to a non-medical question? Fuck him and his curiosity.
Nope, I've seen pediatricians prescribe Ritalin and such before, not just shrinks.
Unfortunately, the reports of doctors asking about guns in the home before giving parents a hard time was getting a bit wide-spread. I believe it was a state or national pediatric association that was telling their members to do it. Many of the medical associations out there are rabidly anti-gun, and some have cooperated with the Brady idiots on some anti-gun initiatives.
What if it's someone in a small town, and the next closest doc is 30 miles away? 60? 100?
The root of the problem was doctors using their position to push an anti-gun agenda in an unethical manner. Not cool.
Pretty much. Here is the scenario:
Pediatrician: "Do you own a gun?"
Patient's parent: "No".
Hmmm... Funny how that wasn't an excuse then but it is now. :icon_cool
I'd go with "Not that it's any of your business, but no," personally.
EDIT: Hmm, that got me thinking. The doctors want to refuse treatment if you own a gun, but will they refuse treatment if you refuse to answer the question? That's getting in to some weird grey territory. So now a doctor can ask you whatever question he wants and refuse treatment if you don't answer or give him an answer he doesn't like?
What if it's someone in a small town, and the next closest doc is 30 miles away? 60? 100? :icon_cool
I was actually thinking of this in an abortion debate frame. In red states it's ok for "the state" to ask extra questions, determine their mental state, and force women to look at ultrasounds, etc. But at least you can lie about owning a gun to a doctor, kinda hard to deny you're pregnant to one...
Yeah, WP's post is what got me thinking along those lines.
But it's hardly the same thing. Showing you an ultrasound of the baby you are going to abort is pertinent to the nature of the medical issue. The only way gun ownership would be relevant is if your kid was allergic to gun oil, or if he had a bullet wound. In any case, I would argue that if this is legal than you should absolutely take your business elsewhere. I just don't think it's kosher to begin with. The only questions a doctor should be able to ask you are questions directly related to your health.
Yeah, last time I checked refusing to treat a patient is against the Hippocratic oath. Only a shitbag would refuse to treat a patient.
Fuck you you nosy body.
From what I understand, even if the law passed, a Doctor could still deny you care if they knew through some other means that you own a gun. So a racist restaurant owner has to serve black people food but a doctor can deny care based on politics?
I suppose that's a lot smarter than 'yeah, wanna see it'?
Government and healthcare merging. They can ask whatever they want but I should also not have to give them business. We are on the track of government telling us what doctors we can and can't see so that may not be a option in the future.
They should put up a big sign that says we hate freedom and the constitution, I'm sure a few yuppies would still give them business. The same with restaurants that don't want to serve certain races or religions, put up a big sign that says no jews or no blacks and let the free market decide if they stay open. A lot of libs do hate the constitution so that doctor would probably still get a lot of business. In most areas the restaurant would probably close down from lack of business
Has anyone actually been denied care because they said "Yes I own a gun" or is this just more Alex Jones scaremongering to the rubes?
Has any woman had an unwanted baby because a pharmacist refused to sell her Plan B?
Trust me, I'm not defending Kirk. I'm just saying that "nobody's been affected YET" is not really an argument. It's still a potential problem.
A lot of women have been denied Plan B by the Pharmacist. A Google search reveals plenty of stories. Whether these went on to become pregnancies or not probably depends on a lot of irrelevant factors.
Can you find a similar experience where a gun owner was denied care?
Like I said, that isn't the point. Just because it hasn't happened YET doesn't mean the issue of a pediatrician asking you if you own a gun isn't a problem.
EDIT: And just for the record, the ban was originally introduced because a couple complained that their doctor refused treatment because of gun ownership.
If no doctor ever has made a decision regarding medical care based on how a patient answered that question, why should we believe that there will be a flood of problem going forward? Shouldn't we be equally as worried that a doctor might deny care if we say we keep alcohol in the house or smoke cigarettes around children?