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Former agent says Kennedy assassination thwarted weeks before president's death

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  1. mendozathejew

    mendozathejew Registered User

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    November 21, 2007 - A former Secret Service agent says there was a plot to kill president John F. Kennedy in Chicago three weeks before he was assassinated in Dallas.

    President Kennedy was murdered on November 22, 1963. Thursday is the 44th anniversary of JFK's assassination.

    But Lee Harvey Oswald would never have had the chance to kill Kennedy in Dallas, had an assassination plot in Chicago succeeded three weeks earlier, a plot that has been mentioned over the years.

    Kennedy was due to arrive in Chicago the morning of Saturday, November 2 to attend the Army-Air Force football game at Soldier Field and ride in a parade. Newspapers had even printed JFK's detailed travel plan from O'Hare to the Loop.

    Although police were preparing to line the motorcade route, Secret Service officials in Chicago were deeply troubled about the visit because of two secret threats.

    Right-wing radical and Kennedy denouncer Thomas Vallee, had arranged to be off work for JFK's visit, Vallee, an expert marksman, was arrested with an M1 rifle, a handgun and 3,000 rounds of ammo. But then there was the phone call to federal agents from a motel manager concerning what was she saw in a room rented by two Cuban nationals.

    "Had seen lying on the bed several automatic rifles with telescopic sights, with an outline of the route that President Kennedy was supposed to take in Chicago that would bring him past that building," said former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.

    Chicagoan Bolden, now 72, was a young agent in 1963. After a few years as an Illinois state trooper, Bolden had joined he Secret Service and was invited by President Kennedy onto the prestigious White House detail - the first black agent ever assigned to protect a president.

    Bolden recalled how agents bungled surveillance of those two suspected Cuban hitmen. They disappeared and were never even identified.

    "No one was sent to the room to fingerprint it or get an I.D. The case was lost and that was the end of it," Bolden said.

    On November 2, the president was about to leave the White House for Chicago, and Bolden says a Cuban murder squad here was unaccounted for.

    "The morning of the game, the special agent in charge of the Chicago office called the White House and recommended the president cancel his trip to Chicago," Bolden said.

    News reports stated that Kennedy didn't show because he was ill or because of a diplomatic crisis. Official investigations of JFK never determined why the president canceled Chicago November 2. But in his first interview in 44 years, former agent Bolden said JFK stayed away because of an imminent threat.

    Bolden said the president didn't come to Chicago on November 2 because he was basically waved off by the Secret Service, and it wasn't because he had a cold.

    Information about Vallee, his similarity in appearance and background to Lee Harvey Oswald and details of the Cuban hit squad in Chicago were never given to federal agents in Dallas, Texas.

    Bolden said the information was not known to have been passed on to Dallas.

    In a book that Bolden wrote with his late wife, due out next spring, he will cite another contributing factor in the JFK murder: on-duty drunkenness by Secret Service agents.

    "I told the chief of the Secret Service this, that if anything happens, an emergency situation develops with President Kennedy, that their reflexes are going to be in a condition that they won't be in a condition to respond, and Dallas, Texas proved I was right," he said. "The president's life was in grave danger because of the inefficiency of security around him, too many weaknesses.

    "When that bullet struck the head of the president, it struck me too because I saw it coming," Bolden said.

    When the Warren Commission began investigating JFK's assassination, Bolden says, he attempted to inform members about the Chicago plot and misconduct by his fellow agents.

    During that time Bolden himself was arrested and prosecuted for soliciting a bribe from a counterfeiter and served a six-year sentence. He claims it was a set-up to silence him. The main witness has since recanted, and Bolden hopes now to clear his name.

    A spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington said that officials "would not have any comment whatsoever about Mr. Bolden's statements."

    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=5778871
     
  2. Sinn Fein

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    Anyone who thinks there wasn't more to it than Oswald needs to have their head examined. This will be interesting to watch, assuming there's something really here.
     
  3. mendozathejew

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    another article on the kennedy assassination out today. this one on a new book about how it affected the liberals for the worse


    What's wrong with American liberalism? What happened to the self-assured, optimistic, and practical Democratic Party of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and John F. Kennedy? Why has Joe Lieberman, their closest contemporary incarnation, been run out of the party? How did anti-Americanism infect schools, the media, and Hollywood? And whence comes the liberal rage that conservatives like Ann Coulter, Jeff Jacoby, Michelle Malkin, and the Media Research Center have extensively documented?

    In a tour de force, James Piereson of the Manhattan Institute offers a historical explanation both novel and convincing. His book, Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism, traces liberalism's slide into anti-Americanism back to the seemingly minor fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was neither a segregationist nor a cold warrior but a communist.

    Here's what Piereson argues: During the roughly 40 years preceding the Kennedy assassination on November 22, 1963, progressivism/liberalism was the reigning and nearly only public philosophy; Kennedy, a tough and realistic centrist, came out of an effective tradition that aimed, and succeeded, in expanding democracy and the welfare state.

    In contrast, Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower lacked an intellectual alternative to liberalism and so merely slowed it down. The conservative "remnant" led by William F. Buckley, Jr. had virtually no impact on policy. The radical Right, embodied by the John Birch Society, spewed illogical and ineffectual fanaticism.

    Kennedy's assassination profoundly affected liberalism, Piereson explains, because Oswald, a New Left-style communist, murdered Kennedy to protect Fidel Castro's rule in Cuba from the president who, during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, brandished America's military card. Kennedy, in brief, died because he was so tough in the cold war. Liberals resisted this fact because it contradicted their belief system and, instead, presented Kennedy as a victim of the radical Right and a martyr for liberal causes.

    THIS POLITICAL phantasm required two audacious steps. The first applied to Oswald:

    # Ignoring his communist outlook by characterizing him as an extreme rightist. Thus, New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison asserted that "Oswald would have been more at home with Mein Kampf than Das Kapital."

    # Reducing his role to insignificance by (1) theorizing about some 16 other assassins or (2) spinning a giant conspiracy in which Oswald was a dupe of the mafia, the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Castro Cubans, White Russians, Texas oil millionaires, international bankers, the CIA, the FBI, the military-industrial complex, the generals, or Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson.

    With Oswald nearly deleted from the narrative, or even turned into a scapegoat, the ruling establishment - Johnson, Jacqueline Kennedy, J. Edgar Hoover, and many others - proceeded to take a second, astonishing step. They blamed the assassination not on Oswald the communist but on the American people, and the radical Right in particular, accusing them of killing Kennedy for his being too soft in the cold war or too accommodating to civil rights for American blacks. Here are just four of the examples Piereson cites documenting that wild distortion:

    # Chief Justice Earl Warren decried the supposed "hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots."

    # Senate majority leader Mike Mansfield raged against "the bigotry, the hatred, prejudice and the arrogance which converged in that moment of horror to strike him down."

    # Congressman Adam Clayton Powell advised, "Weep not for Jack Kennedy, but weep for America."

    # A New York Times editorial lamented "The shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down President John F. Kennedy."

    In this "denial or disregard" of Oswald's motives and guilt, Piereson locates the rank origins of American liberalism's turn toward anti-American pessimism. "The reformist emphasis of American liberalism, which had been pragmatic and forward-looking, was overtaken by a spirit of national self-condemnation."

    Viewing the United States as crass, violent, racist, and militarist shifted liberalism's focus from economics to cultural issues (racism, feminism, sexual freedom, gay rights). This change helped spawn the countercultural movement of the late 1960s; more lastingly, it fed a "residue of ambivalence" about the worth of traditional American institutions and the validity of deploying US military power that 44 years later remains liberalism's general outlook.

    Thus does Oswald's malign legacy live on in 2007, yet harming and perverting liberalism, still polluting the national debate.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1195546692398&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
     
  4. Deadbent

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    King Kill 33?
     
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    Note for the record that the author, Daniel Pipes, is a right wing extemist and academic fraud and that to make his case, he cites four other right wing extremist sources of dubious credibility. I gather the Jerusalem Post and Pipes himself have abandoned the effort to convince anyone who does not already agree with them.
     
  6. Treat_Yourself

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    It's the only logical and rational explanation of the Kennedy assasination.
     
  7. wes mantooth

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    Diversity is our strength. :D
     
  8. mendozathejew

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    hes right wing, I wouldnt call him an extremist but thats your opinion. pretty irrelevant to the article though, as its not his book that the article is about.
     
  9. Kris_LTRMa

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    So Kennedy cancels an appearance in Chicago citing a cold and a month later he gets shot in Dallas. Forty four years later some guy comes forward to say that he would've been shot in Chicago had the Secret Service not warned him.

    Hmmmm...sounds like another conspiracy theory to me. It's time to let President Kennedy rest in peace and for the rest of us to move on.

    Just my 1/2 cent's worth
     
  10. Sam_Adams

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    Who gives a fuck? Yes, he was a president that was killed but it's not like he was the best motherfucker ever. No one can change anything by all of the talking and conspiracy shit. The guy's head was still splattered over a Texan road no matter what and the killer was murdered himself.

    Annnnnnnnnd punt!
     
  11. Party Rooster

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    I'll see your 1/2 cent's worth and raise you a penny. :icon_mrgr

    I don't know. Doing 6 years hard time for speaking up initially (if you buy his story) may make you hesitant to wait so long. So his wife died and he's at the end of his, so he wants to come clean now? I think I can buy that.

    After all, didn't Deep Throat from the Watergate era do kind of the same thing? I know this Chicago guy isn't as famous as that, but I'm just sayin...
     
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    All well and good except that his crime was accepting a bribe from a counterfeiter. Yes, he claims it was a set up, but he's still had 40 some-odd years to tell his story. Show me a statement from the counterfeiter that he was part of some elaborate scheme that the government devised to silence one man, even though others would have known of the threat as well. What...he's the only one willing to speak out? With Watergate, you knew there was a Deep Throat from the beginning, not 40 years later. The identity was always speculated but everyone knew there was a real person out there.

    Unless there's some hard evidence produced, I'm sticking with my original 1/2 cents' worth of opinion and saying this is just another conspiracy theory and an attempt by someone to have his 15 minutes in the spotlight. It's time that people just let go.
     
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    You don't think that recanted is something that is done with fine old vintage red wine do you? Oh wait, that would be Vos. :action-sm

    I'm not trying to compare this guy to Deep Throat as far as importance to their times but like I said, after doing 6 years for bribery, coupled with the fact that that may have made him believe there was some sort of "conspiracy" may have kept him quiet all these years.

    That's why I think he would wait until now to come forward. If he was really trying to capitalize on the event and/or make a buck off of it, why didn't he put his story out years ago when the issues were revisted with Oliver Stone's JFK film?

    You don't really believe Oswald acted alone do ya? :huh:
     
  14. Stormrider666

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    A couple of years ago, Unsolved History investigated the Kennedy assassination. They used modern foresnics to see if Lee Harvey Oswald could have acted alone. They tested everyting from the rifle to him going from his boarding house to the movie theatre. They proved that Oswald could have pulled off the assassination by himself. Yes I know its not am exact science, but till someone comes up with hard evidence to the contrary, I do believe he did act alone.
     
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    The Cigarette Smoking Man got the kill shot from the sewer...
     
  16. Kris_LTRMa

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    I think that was on last night. I saw something about Kennedy on the History Channel last night while I was trying to find something entertaining to watch. I didn't watch it since I wanted something that wasn't going to make me think while drinking
     
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    something to note-

    the term extremist has no meaning.
    an example -a candidate condones another for holing a certain position then labels him an extremists.what actually isn't being attacked is the position itself but holing the position.the idea isn't being combated refuted or discussed the person is being combated for holing the idea.it therefore is an evasion of the issues and an [SIZE=-1]adhominem[/SIZE] attack.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48zS7pIy9LE

    just something to note.
     
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    I always thought it was you and me who killed the Kennedys.
     
  19. domelogic

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    how do you explain that kennedy's head shot came from the front considering oswald was shooting behind the motorcade? one shot came through the back of his neck and then the head shot came after that in the front.
    that ends all discussion about him doing it by himself.
     
  20. weakside

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    Because it didn't. It had to do with seating in the car (which also absolutely killed "the magic bullet theory") and ballistics that any law enforcement officer could explain.

    Please watch the special on the history channel or read the book, Case Closed. It uses hard evidence and not random theories.
     
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    A warmer climate was more suitable
     
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    Anything the History Channel airs that's made by an outside production company is agenda-driven horseshit, i.e. the UFO Files.
     
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    Fair & balanced, like Fox News? Honestly, I didn't know that & will now take whatever they air as factual with a grain of salt.

    I still think Oswald acted alone though :)
     
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    Exactly. The final kill shot came from the front. It was fired from the picket fence on the grassy knoll.
     
  25. domelogic

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    weak, i have watched the video hundreds of times and there is no way you can tell me the head shot didnt come from the front. i have not read any books but have seen just about everything including the history channel piece on the kennedy killing. the best evidence is the film, you dont get any harder evidence than that. i never metioned the magic bullet theory and i dont understand how seating has anything to do with seeing a bullet blow the front of kennedy's head off. plus no one will ever be able to explain all the people who came forward and said they heard shots from different areas other than the book depository but that is for another thread.
     

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