Gen. Petraeus is "an ass-kissing little chickenshit"

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Not my words, but his boss'.

WASHINGTON, Sep 12 (IPS) - In sharp contrast to the lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.

Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.


In a highly unusual political role for an officer who had not yet taken command of a war, Petraeus was installed in the office of Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Republican from Kentucky, in early February just before the Senate debated Bush's troop increase. According to a report in The Washington Post Feb. 7, senators were then approached on the floor and invited to go McConnell's office to hear Petraeus make the case for the surge policy.


Fallon was strongly opposed to Petraeus's role as pitch man for the surge policy in Iraq adopted by Bush in December as putting his own interests ahead of a sound military posture in the Middle East and Southwest Asia -- the area for which Fallon's CENTCOM is responsible.

The CENTCOM commander believed the United States should be withdrawing troops from Iraq urgently, largely because he saw greater dangers elsewhere in the region. "He is very focused on Pakistan," said a source familiar with Fallon's thinking, "and trying to maintain a difficult status quo with Iran."

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235

Wow, what a novel idea. focusing on where the actual terrorists are. Maybe that's why the man is the boss.
 

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This Fallon guy sounds like an unpatriotic liberal bed wetting faggot to me.

What does he know? Military strategy or something?
 
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But but but.. aren't we supposed to trust the man in a uniform? What happens when HIS boss dis-credits him? Oh right.. selective reasoning..
 

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Interesting, if true. Something tells me you're gonna get some flak over the source from the usual suspects.

Admiral Fallon is certainly in a better position than Congress or MoveOn.org to say such things.

I happen to feel sorry for Patraeus - He's essentially there to keep the thing together until Bush can run out the clock and hand a complete clusterfuck over to the next President, who will no doubt take the blame for "blowing it" by whoever the opposition party happens to be, if it lasts that long...
 
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Well I find it more comedic if anything. But, I suspect Admiral Fallon will testify at some point in front of Congress. Then that will give a better view of where he stands. And I suspect if he says anything this administration doesn't like he'll be removed unceremoniously. Like so many others were. I mean so much for having independent minded commanders on the battlefield.
 

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it will be fascinating to see bush hand over the white house to the dems and watch everyone switch sides.
this war isnt really a war its an occupation. if it was a war we could kill everybody drop bombs everywhere **** and pillage.
 

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So this is the day that Wackbag finally just shits on anyone in a uniform......UNLESS they tell them exactly what they want to hear.

Congratulations, boys. You've just become the very thing you've professed to hate. Maybe you're all neocons in disguise, impersonating left-leaning individuals in order to give them a bad name, because that's my only explanation for your seemingly disgusting behavior.

It must be a Rove plot.
 
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So this is the day that Wackbag finally just shits on anyone in a uniform......UNLESS they tell them exactly what they want to hear.

Congratulations, boys. You've just become the very thing you've professed to hate. Maybe you're all neocons in disguise, impersonating left-leaning individuals in order to give them a bad name, because that's my only explanation for your seemingly disgusting behavior.

It must be a Rove plot.
Yawns.

You've consistently shit on anyone in uniform or not who says anything you don't like since you've been posting here.

You are so limited in any mental capacity whatsoever anyone who deviates from your idiotic position one percent has to be a "liberal" or "left leaning" individual. Do we really have to drag out the list of people who have been prominent republicans and conservatives throughout the years that disagree with you, and more importantly this stupid renegade administration? I mean Paul Craig Roberts, or Brent Scowcroft, or John Dean, or General Zinni, or McPeake, or Andrew Sullivan, or George Will, and the list goes on.

I mean you have people like Bruce Bartlett. Who wrote "Impostor: Why George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy" I mean there's a die hard liberal. Reagan's former domestic policy aide. Or Rick Moran who voted for Reagan three times. Writing in his name in 1976. And is a columnist and blogs at "Right Wing Nuthouse." You have John Lofton, National Republican Congressional Committee member. From 1970 to 1973 who writes:

"In 1968, I worked at the National Republican Congressional Committee. From 1970 to 1973, I was the official GOP propagandist, working at the Republican National Committee as Editor of the Party's weekly publication "Monday." My bosses were Bob Dole and George Herbert Walker Bush."

I first drank deeply of Republicanism in 1964 when Barry Goldwater told the convention that nominated him to be President that freedom was made orderly in our country by "our Constitutional government." In fact, he said, in front of God and everybody that government should perform "only Constitutionally-sanctioned tasks."

Mr. Bush, among other things and in no particular order, has given us an un-Constitutional, unnecessary, undeclared war in Iraq. He has signed into law an un-Constitutional so-called campaign finance "reform" law which he said -- as a candidate and while he was signing it -- is probably un-Constitutional. So, this would be a matter for the courts to decide.

And today's so-called conservative "leaders" are clueless, brain-dead to all of this. They are "conservative" only in that they are conserving Liberalism!"


You have no concepts of those who came before these idiots whose boots you lick. You don't have a clue who Goldwater was, or who Eisenhower was, or the Ronald Reagan you pay lip service to. All you know is what you choose to believe. Which is nothing. You sling catch phrases and cliches and platitudes and don't even know the meaning of the words you speak of.

As Rush Limbaugh would say, You are a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.
 

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So this is the day that Wackbag finally just shits on anyone in a uniform......UNLESS they tell them exactly what they want to hear.
Irony?
 

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I don't think anyone in this thread has "shit on anyone in uniform" - even metaphorically. The only (alleged) dig has come from another person in a uniform.
 

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I don't think anyone in this thread has "shit on anyone in uniform" - even metaphorically. The only (alleged) dig has come from another person in a uniform.
It's because you DARE bring up something to call his credibility into question. He works for the government too. To viciously post something from a higher-up describing him and might show him in a bad light? That is shitting on the entire military.

Petreaus wore a uniform, and people who wear a uniform never lie.
 

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It's because you DARE bring up something to call his credibility into question. He works for the government too. To viciously post something from a higher-up describing him and might show him in a bad light? That is shitting on the entire military.

Petreaus wore a uniform, and people who wear a uniform never lie.
Ok Please tell me your being sarcastic.
 
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I still don't understand why you automatically gain this undying respect once you get that uniform on. I can count on my hand, 5 guys from graduating class that were losers who were going no where in life. Two of them had multiple kids, one was getting married. These are the kids that always skipped school, dealt drugs and would start a fight with you for literally no reason. Why in the fuck would I respect these douches? They're in it for the money... just like everyone else is. Obviously, theres an exception to the rule but people earn respect. And just making it through a few month long bootcamp doesn't mean you automatically get it. Do you kiss the ass of every cop you meet to?
 

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Interesting article. It seems to fly in the face of everything I've heard about Patreaus. He is considered one of the military's top experts when it comes to battling insurgencies. Like I said in the other thread, he literally wrote the book on it. This is interesting, though.

I still don't understand why you automatically gain this undying respect once you get that uniform on. I can count on my hand, 5 guys from graduating class that were losers who were going no where in life. Two of them had multiple kids, one was getting married. These are the kids that always skipped school, dealt drugs and would start a fight with you for literally no reason. Why in the fuck would I respect these douches? They're in it for the money... just like everyone else is. Obviously, theres an exception to the rule but people earn respect. And just making it through a few month long bootcamp doesn't mean you automatically get it. Do you kiss the ass of every cop you meet to?

Yes. I kiss the ass of anyone who puts themself in harms way so I don't have to.
 

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I still don't understand why you automatically gain this undying respect once you get that uniform on. I can count on my hand, 5 guys from graduating class that were losers who were going no where in life. Two of them had multiple kids, one was getting married. These are the kids that always skipped school, dealt drugs and would start a fight with you for literally no reason. Why in the fuck would I respect these douches? They're in it for the money... just like everyone else is. Obviously, theres an exception to the rule but people earn respect. And just making it through a few month long bootcamp doesn't mean you automatically get it. Do you kiss the ass of every cop you meet to?
well sir. i can say you are right one one thing, the military has dropped it's standards for recruiting. why? two fold: most people don't want to go to war, so there are no bodies left for the war machine. and secondly most of those with some intellect go to college and figure out their futures there. that leaves (for a large part) the bottom of the barrel going into the military. while stationed in japan, i saw hundreds of gang affiliated thugs walking the base. i can't think of one young and impressionable kid w/ even the slightest smidgen of patriotism and/or financial need turning down $20k for signing up.

and being in it for the money. you are either delusion or grossly misinformed. i've been in the navy for 13 years. for the first 9 or so i lived just above the poverty line.

obviously those you knew that went into service were some bad apples. but a country's military is an example of it's civilian populace. i'm sure you know a few idiots that work with you and wonder how they made it this far in life. we sure as hell have some of them wearing a uniform. but there are also some really good people doing a very difficult job, doing it for little or no money, and doing so while being stripped from their families and facing the possibility of never seeing them again. i can assure you i've seen human dismemberment on a scale that i can never forget (as a medic, what can i do, thats my job), and i'm fortunate to not be in therapy for it. now, i'm disturbingly desensitized to death and trauma. that ain't good.

EDIT: amishdaddy, where do you come from? lol. everyone of your posts makes me feel like i'm reading umberto eco. you rule sir, and quite the well spoken gentleman. ok, i'll take your mule out of my mouth now.
 

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obviously those you knew that went into service were some bad apples. but a country's military is an example of it's civilian populace. i'm sure you know a few idiots that work with you and wonder how they made it this far in life.
That I think was his point. Just become someone is in the military doesn't automatically make them a great "person." You might appreciate or respect or honor what they do, but them as a person might still be the same utter asshole as before they joined the service. And as a military man, I'm glad you said it first.
 
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Interesting article. It seems to fly in the face of everything I've heard about Patreaus. He is considered one of the military's top experts when it comes to battling insurgencies. Like I said in the other thread, he literally wrote the book on it. This is interesting, though.
I have no doubt the General has extensive knowledge in battle against insurgents, and desert combat in general. Which is all the more disheartening about what he's done. in my opinion I have to add.

I think he's been allowing himself to be politicized and it's affected his judgement. The guy was basically put in Mitch McConnell's office to peddle the ramping up of this war and the "Surge" tactics that haven't been working. Basically he's allowed himself, and his good reputation to be used.

I know once you get past the commission of like Colonel/Captain everything starts to get political. Especially when they strap a star or two on you but that's just a bit much. I can't go along with that kind of judgement.
 

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I believe anything that our military leaders tell me.

Thus, I believe everything General Petraeus tells me.

Thus, I believe everything Admiral Fallon tells me.

*head explodes*
 

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A positive surge report = "a real big problem for us" (Democrats) according to House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) - July, 2007.

And here we are now...
 

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Wow, what a novel idea. focusing on where the actual terrorists are.
Not that I disagree with the idea of focusing on the true al Qaeda bases, but please don't tell me you believe that the people blowing up markets full of civilians on a weekly basis are part of an insurgency fighting an occupation force.
 

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Not that I disagree with the idea of focusing on the true al Qaeda bases, but please don't tell me you believe that the people blowing up markets full of civilians on a weekly basis are part of an insurgency fighting an occupation force.
Didn't you hear ?, the Sunnis and Shiites were picking daisies together before the imperialistic oil savages (USA) arrived in Iraq.
 

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It's because you DARE bring up something to call his credibility into question. He works for the government too. To viciously post something from a higher-up describing him and might show him in a bad light? That is shitting on the entire military.

Petreaus wore a uniform, and people who wear a uniform never lie.
Bullshit.

It's not about ALWAYS believing whatever the man says just because he's a soldier.

But by all accounts of the man, he's an honorable individual, who's given an HONEST assessment of the position in Iraq, which he can back up by demonstrable evidence and facts.

And because he's putting forth a position that many of you don't agree with - i.e. "We need to stick around a while longer" - then he's called a liar, or in this case, an "ass-kissing little chickenshit".

And when someone calls you on this disrespect, you start with this "Oh, you can't EVER question a man in uniform, can you?!" Fuck off with that noise. It's not about blind loyalty. It's about disrespecting this man, who is NOT the partisan you're claiming he is (hell, he's not even voiced the Bush Administration position that things are fine in Iraq, he's been quite open and honest about how difficult it is, all he's done is say that there's still hope for victory, and for this he's been shit on), simply because he's not telling you what you want to hear, and then having the unfathomable hubris to turn around and claim that you're NOT disrespecting him by calling him a liar or a "chickenshit".

As for Daddy: man, if you fucking only knew me. I don't lick toes, sir; I could give a shit about the current administration, other than generally agreeing with their position that there actually IS a war on terror going on, and that we need to continue to wage it (and whether you agree that Iraq was the right war to fight or not, it's largely irrelevant, because Iraq NOW certainly is part of the war on terror whether we like it or not). I just don't view the administration is as Hitleresque (or more accurately, Stalinesque) as YOU do, and sadly this is where we are at in American political discourse, you're considered a toady for the administration if you just voice the opinion that gee, I don't think these guys are as overwhelmingly evil as you claim they are.

BTW, this is my problem with you, you really don't see that many of the same insults you've hurled at me apply appropriately to you as well. And that bothers me. Because it's not just that you're a hypocrite, it's that you're entirely ignorant of the fact that you are, which I actually find immensely more offensive than the fact that you really are a hypocrite.