Discussion in 'Current Events' started by yellowstonesteve, Jul 12, 2007.
Besides the 19 muslim ghosts Rudy was responsible for more death on 9/11.
It's amazing how far people will let their hatred go.
Yes, god forbid they try to clean ground 0 up. I don't understand what thier complaint is.
Also this is just one firefighters union, there are many not saying what these guys are saying.
FWIW... the IAFF has supported the Democratic presidential candidate for over 20 years. They have a streak to maintain.
Rudy might have acted like he was a friend to uniformed Civil Service workers in NYC, but his track record speaks otherwise.
The complaint is that the focus shifted way too soon from search & recovery to clean up. There have been at least 3 cases where construction is being done & they find more remains. I'm not there, so I don't know if the remains would have been found otherwise, but how could you not look on the roof the Deutche Bank building???
Anyone see a pattern here? Anytime someone has a complaint against a republican well hell, obviously they have to be nuts, or affiliated with the democrats, or some other thing.
Boy I tell you. We are so lucky to be living around the gifted perfect people. Republicans. Who never do anything wrong, because whenever you ever try to point anything out obviously it's you that's wrong.
Have fun going after firefighters. maybe we can ship the FDNY to Guantanimo now.
They are still finding remains. The search goes on.
Better, functioning communication systems would have saved people. They knew before 9/11 that the repeaters weren't working. In hindsight, it should've been higher priority.
Rescue workers (and residents of Manhattan) were told the air was breathable by both the EPA and the NYC government. They were wrong, and a lot of the rescue workers have permant respiratory damage and other health issues.
The FDNY wasn't getting along with the mayor on Sept. 10, 2001; the firefighters can't go on strike when they don't get the raises they are promised.
To someone who's not closely following the political race, Rudy Guiliani's platform is very 9/11 centric. Perhaps the people who lost family members (or are losing their health) don't want to be associated with Guiliani.
The fact you think saying Rudy was responsible for a lot of deaths and invoking 9-11 terrorists is a reasonable line of argument says enough.
Look, I've said Bush sucks. Everyone says it. Some people think you should use reason to debate politics instead of going apeshit nuts about how great Ron Paul is and how everyone is awful in comparison.
It's myrmiddon devotion like that which makes me less likely to vote for Paul.
The events that happened after 9-11 are very telling as to how it was handled.
if bringing those out, such as DC has posted is saying Rudy was solely responsible, so be it. Pointing out failures is not denouncing the man, it's saying Giuliani has based his entire campaign on how he handled 9-11.
He obviously has made grave mistakes that have led to these things being pointed out. I think as a nation people should know. And the more they do know I believe his candidacy will be shown as severely lacking.
This is his record. And pointing out his record is fair game.
Rudy rules. Fuck em.
Let's look at this using logic, shall we? Logically, there can be only one true statement here:
-Rudy Guliani's action prior to and immediately after the terrorist attack on 9-11 was responsible for a lot of deaths which otherwise would not have occurred.
-Rudy Guliani's action prior to and immediately after the terrorist attack on 9-11 was not responsible for a lot of deaths which otherwise would not have occurred.
-Rudy Guliani's action prior to and immediately after the terrorist attack on 9-11 was partially responsible for a lot of deaths which otherwise would not have occurred.
I have my opinions, what are yours?