Amazon Goliath - Season 2 - June 15, 2018!!

LiddyRules

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#1
Oh shit @Jacuzzi Billy , our favorite show is coming back on June 15!


Spoilers for this coming season:

"Mr. Goliath, your client was photographed with the murder weapon standing over the dead victim and under oath he said 'I killed the motherfucker and I'd do it again. I kill you too motherfucker.'

We the jury find ... THE PROSECUTOR guilty of ALL the murders! Now what is your first order of business, MAYOR Goliath."
 

LiddyRules

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#2
The more I think about it, the more Season 1 only makes sense if he gave a Closing Argument like:

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...we're in at TV show you know. Or a movie. Or a John Grisham or Alex Cross book or something. I mean think about it. A case based around a conspiracy that makes no sense. A hooker with a heart of gold. You got to see a Frankenstein's monster. Hell, I'm a down on his luck alcoholic just trying to do right by his young daughter. If you've seen Erin Brokovich or ... Erin Brokovich, you know this mega-corporation is evil. So when you deliberate I ask you this - if you think this is real life, decide against my client. But if you think this is all some bad fiction, you know what to do. Guy in the back, you can begin your slow clap now."
 

Sinn Fein

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#5
Great show. Can't wait.
 

Saikotic

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#6
I'm just starting the first season. I was interested but the last scene in episode 2 got me hooked. I was not expecting that.
 

Sinn Fein

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#11
Excellent season. I watched it all in like three days.
 

Sinn Fein

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#13
Was it pretty similar to season 1? Great in spots, terrible in others (especially the courtroom scenes), yet overall an entertaining watch?
I liked it better than season one.

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Jacuzzi Billy

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#14
Tania Raymonde is so attractive it's difficult to even look at her.

As silly as this show is, I do like the mood of it.
 

LiddyRules

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#15
Tania Raymonde is so attractive it's difficult to even look at her.

As silly as this show is, I do like the mood of it.
She's in the latest season of The Walking Dead.

I literally just opened Ammy Prime to start the first episode of the new season. I can't attest to its quality, but I agree about liking the mood of the show. Like I said about the first season, it was dumb as hell with so many stupid nonsensical decisions (plus that final episode) but I never regretted watching it. It never felt like an obligation as much as I had to complain about it.

I also can't exactly remember how the first season ended (other than him walking into the ocean). Did Poor Man's Chuck McGill offer Goliath his big law firm, or was that something that just seemed like it would have happened?
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#16
It struggles when BBT isn't on screen. Like the b-ball scene in episode 1, that shit is amateur hour.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#18
Episode 2 was mostly bad and boring. I don't mind bad but I do mind boring.
 

LiddyRules

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#19
@Jacuzzi Billy

First episode down, and I don't know, did it feel really long to you?

It's a testament to BBT how compelling he is as a performer. Because Goliath* is a really shitty hack character. It's not like they took the framework of drunken down on his luck lawyer and made him more complex. He's never more than that hack character, but he's so watchable you don't care. Everyone else sucks though, especially the writing.

The first episode of this season was pretty much the exact same as the first episode of the first season. He's still drunk, he's still wandering from bar to beach to bar, and he's still doing the "I don't take cases" thing. Again. Then a friend asks him to look at a case. Again. He says "the discount lawyer you have is fine so I won't take this case." Again. He interviews a key person and seems interested but says no. Again. Then the person who asked him to take the case is murdered in broad daylight. Again. And I assume that's what spurs him on.

In another example of shit writing, the scene where the cop takes him to the crime scene. The cop was such a bad actor I assume he won a contest. Then it plays out like this, and you knew exactly how it was going to play out this way. "This guy was walking his dog by the underpass and he saw a kid fitting Lou Diamond Philips' son description run out of the house. It's an open and shut case." Then Goliath goes there and it's like 100 yards away with poor visibility.

There was another moment I wanted to happen, and was surprised it did. When the two Douche Bros are playing basketball discussing the crime, I wanted there to be a "John Wick" moment, where the sheer mention of his name shuts down the room. And it kind of happened. "But Goliath is looking into it!"

Also, of course the mayoral candidate wouldn't want the kid accused of murder on her billboards. I don't care how much they're trying to make her into a "good" character, not taking it down is just stupid. Also, and I'll assume this is covered in later episodes, if she's such a great family friend, how come the other two sons got into gang activity?

* And I know his name is not Goliath, it's Danny McBride, but it's just easier for me to call him Goliath.
 

LiddyRules

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#20
@Jacuzzi Billy - I agree. Episode 2 was pretty boring, so I took notes while watching it. Here goes.

Did David Cross insist on wearing a Mr. Show wig?

I think S1 came across as better because it had a wider array of characters. You had the entire Evil Law Firm Crew: Ex-Wife, Ex-Wife's Lesbian Lover, Stuttering Fetish Is a Thing I Guess, and Burnt Ham. I'm glad Poor Man's Kim Wexler is back - unless she's not, in which case I'd be totes disappointed.

REL at the number of liquor bottles. Didn't this happen in the first season too?

I don't have a problem with characters smoking, but it seems like it happens so often on the show because the writers can't figure out anything else for the characters to do.

I get the show needs twists but that video was just way over the top. So much of the lawyer bits on this feels like it came out of the early 90s. At least the video isn't a fake and they CGI'ed him in. That was a popular trope years ago.

REL at the big thing being a community center.

Why does the mayor lady want to fuck Goliath? I don't like complaining about shitty female characters, but this show has some genuinely shitty female characters. Didn't I complain about that in the first season 2?

Why do they allow glass in the shower?

Penis for some reason. It's 2019. Fucking bathhouses? And shouldn't we be past the closeted gay character? And fucking bathhouses?

I actually don't understand the relationships between the new crew. Does Guy From The League work for both the mayor candidate and the guy who presumably killed the kid? Is he open about that? Or is it secret? Or is Real Killer blackmailing him? What does Real Killer do other than play basketball?

Why are they taking Patsy to the music room in the middle of the night? And one guy doing it at that? It would be hacky if it's to beat him in secret but flat out stupid if it's just so we get Sad Classical Music montage. And they went with Sad Classical Music Montage.

Why would Douche just admit to murder in her office? And what's with his goofy voice? It's episode 2 and this this conspiracy is already insane. And if they didn't want her involved or to speak out about it, why wouldn't they have been on top of this and told her to back off as soon as he was arrested? Did they just cross their fingers and hope for the best? And I guess High Fin Girl knows Douche, which is weird since I thought League was the go between.

Who the fuck is her aide to speak to her like that?
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#21
@Jacuzzi Billy - I agree. Episode 2 was pretty boring, so I took notes while watching it. Here goes.

Did David Cross insist on wearing a Mr. Show wig?

I think S1 came across as better because it had a wider array of characters. You had the entire Evil Law Firm Crew: Ex-Wife, Ex-Wife's Lesbian Lover, Stuttering Fetish Is a Thing I Guess, and Burnt Ham. I'm glad Poor Man's Kim Wexler is back - unless she's not, in which case I'd be totes disappointed.

REL at the number of liquor bottles. Didn't this happen in the first season too?

I don't have a problem with characters smoking, but it seems like it happens so often on the show because the writers can't figure out anything else for the characters to do.

I get the show needs twists but that video was just way over the top. So much of the lawyer bits on this feels like it came out of the early 90s. At least the video isn't a fake and they CGI'ed him in. That was a popular trope years ago.

REL at the big thing being a community center.

Why does the mayor lady want to fuck Goliath? I don't like complaining about shitty female characters, but this show has some genuinely shitty female characters. Didn't I complain about that in the first season 2?

Why do they allow glass in the shower?

Penis for some reason. It's 2019. Fucking bathhouses? And shouldn't we be past the closeted gay character? And fucking bathhouses?

I actually don't understand the relationships between the new crew. Does Guy From The League work for both the mayor candidate and the guy who presumably killed the kid? Is he open about that? Or is it secret? Or is Real Killer blackmailing him? What does Real Killer do other than play basketball?

Why are they taking Patsy to the music room in the middle of the night? And one guy doing it at that? It would be hacky if it's to beat him in secret but flat out stupid if it's just so we get Sad Classical Music montage. And they went with Sad Classical Music Montage.

Why would Douche just admit to murder in her office? And what's with his goofy voice? It's episode 2 and this this conspiracy is already insane. And if they didn't want her involved or to speak out about it, why wouldn't they have been on top of this and told her to back off as soon as he was arrested? Did they just cross their fingers and hope for the best? And I guess High Fin Girl knows Douche, which is weird since I thought League was the go between.

Who the fuck is her aide to speak to her like that?
I don't like giving compliments but you nailed everything. It's such a strange show. It's sorta different and entertaining (TBD) but so many elements are so fucking bad.
 

LiddyRules

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#22
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 3. Better than the first two, but that might be because all the pieces were in place and it was shorter. But it was still so incredibly stupid.

The first thing I'm going to say to you is: pay attention to the Tito Garcia timeline. I won't spoil how it plays out, but just watch it and try to map it out in your mind.

And as you do that, try to figure out how much power Wyatt and Douche Bro have. Because in some instances they have such incredible power while in others they have none. If they're that connected, why can't they just kill Julio in prison?

There's also a scene where they meet with a judge and use "legal terms" in such an awkward, forced way it's like if Charlie Kelly had to write a legal scene.

Goliath refuses to take a plea deal to Julio because he believes he's innocent and even though he realizes he's obligated to do that, he doesn't seem to understand that he can advise Julio not to take it.

I wonder if a reason the non-Goliath scenes don't work is because it never seems clear what Marysol knows/doesn't know and where she stands on anything. Though Wyatt has the best scene of the season when he destroys Marysol's plant. And I'm a bit unclear whether Marysol sleeps with Goliath because she's spying on him or because she likes him or if the spying on him is secondary to her liking him. Because it seems like the type of thing that could hurt her campaign and that risk is not worth the reward especially because what she knows/how involved she is is still a bit muddled. And in one of those nitpicky things I hate doing, but it stuck out to me a lot - in this episode, he picks her up from work and she sleeps with him in his apartment and later that night she's wearing a nightgown. Where'd the nightgown come from?

We don't know anything about Marysol's political opponents do we?

And remember in Season 2 when the FBI shows up for some reason, and Agent Johnson's like "God damn it Goliath. You're a crazy son of a bitch, and god damn it, I love you, you crazy son of a bitch. Here's our Secret Files." Well in this episode, it happens again. Except it's a completely different Agent who's like "God damn it Goliath. Agent Johnson told me you're a son of a bitch, and god damn it, I love you, you crazy son of a bitch. Here's our Secret Files."

Also for the precise end of the episode.

Wyatt's apparently an underground surgeon with a fetish for body horror with a Brady Bunch aesthetic. Did not see that coming. Was that an ad? Was that a hidden camera? Was that porn he specially created? Why does he masturbate like a lady?
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#23
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 3. Better than the first two, but that might be because all the pieces were in place and it was shorter. But it was still so incredibly stupid.

The first thing I'm going to say to you is: pay attention to the Tito Garcia timeline. I won't spoil how it plays out, but just watch it and try to map it out in your mind.

And as you do that, try to figure out how much power Wyatt and Douche Bro have. Because in some instances they have such incredible power while in others they have none. If they're that connected, why can't they just kill Julio in prison?

There's also a scene where they meet with a judge and use "legal terms" in such an awkward, forced way it's like if Charlie Kelly had to write a legal scene.

Goliath refuses to take a plea deal to Julio because he believes he's innocent and even though he realizes he's obligated to do that, he doesn't seem to understand that he can advise Julio not to take it.

I wonder if a reason the non-Goliath scenes don't work is because it never seems clear what Marysol knows/doesn't know and where she stands on anything. Though Wyatt has the best scene of the season when he destroys Marysol's plant. And I'm a bit unclear whether Marysol sleeps with Goliath because she's spying on him or because she likes him or if the spying on him is secondary to her liking him. Because it seems like the type of thing that could hurt her campaign and that risk is not worth the reward especially because what she knows/how involved she is is still a bit muddled. And in one of those nitpicky things I hate doing, but it stuck out to me a lot - in this episode, he picks her up from work and she sleeps with him in his apartment and later that night she's wearing a nightgown. Where'd the nightgown come from?

We don't know anything about Marysol's political opponents do we?

And remember in Season 2 when the FBI shows up for some reason, and Agent Johnson's like "God damn it Goliath. You're a crazy son of a bitch, and god damn it, I love you, you crazy son of a bitch. Here's our Secret Files." Well in this episode, it happens again. Except it's a completely different Agent who's like "God damn it Goliath. Agent Johnson told me you're a son of a bitch, and god damn it, I love you, you crazy son of a bitch. Here's our Secret Files."

Also for the precise end of the episode.

Wyatt's apparently an underground surgeon with a fetish for body horror with a Brady Bunch aesthetic. Did not see that coming. Was that an ad? Was that a hidden camera? Was that porn he specially created? Why does he masturbate like a lady?
I watched 3 and 4 last night before bed. I agree 3 was a little better than the previous episodes. They do answer some of your questions in episode 4.

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't notice any issues with the Tito timeline.

I liked a few moments. The Wyatt plant scene and when Goliath and female Goliath try to high five. That's the only Wyatt scene I've liked, however. I can't stand him and the douche bros. David Cross makes an appearance with them and it's dreadful.

I also hate how Billy Goliath never considers security. If he doesn't want it for himself, fine, but how about getting it for all the worthless female support staff? And his daughter. You know one of them is going to get kidnapped later. My prediction is they all end up dead, Goliath ends up on the beach drinking, and the rest of episodes are the bad guy douche bros playing a badminton tournament.
 

LiddyRules

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#24
I watched 3 and 4 last night before bed. I agree 3 was a little better than the previous episodes. They do answer some of your questions in episode 4.

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't notice any issues with the Tito timeline.

I liked a few moments. The Wyatt plant scene and when Goliath and female Goliath try to high five. That's the only Wyatt scene I've liked, however. I can't stand him and the douche bros. David Cross makes an appearance with them and it's dreadful.

I also hate how Billy Goliath never considers security. If he doesn't want it for himself, fine, but how about getting it for all the worthless female support staff? And his daughter. You know one of them is going to get kidnapped later. My prediction is they all end up dead, Goliath ends up on the beach drinking, and the rest of episodes are the bad guy douche bros playing a badminton tournament.
As for the timing, it felt at most 48 hours from Tito's arrest to decapitation. I get they condense time on lawyer shows, but that really stuck out to me.

They did explain the HR Pufnstuff at the beginning, but it doesn't fit the show. You need to establish yourself as the type of show where Kidnapped Amputee Big Brother feels natural; this never did and to do it halfway through Season 2? Doesn't work.

Everything with chain of custody on this show is ridiculous. The prosecutor is the only person in this show who makes any sense.

"How can we even trust that this gun belonged to the kid?"
"He'll sign a statement saying it's his."
"That means nothing."

The trial actually showed Billy at his best lawyering when he questioned the actual gun found by Julio's house, but he had to ruin it by throwing that other gun in there. And why did Roman vouch for the other gun? How would he know whether it was the gun in Julio's pants? And for a hothead like him, why admit to it? Did I miss a scene where everyone stipulated that gun being the gun in his pants?

Why did Goliath just walk the head into the police station? He should be smart enough to not use a fucking head as a fuck you to the cop. Establish it as actual evidence.

And how come the bad guys on this show always go so overboard in trying to take attention away from themselves? "Why not a signed confession and a suicide? That will work." No it won't. Especially after you sent the head of the real killer to the lawyer investigating this. You think the random confession will stop questions? It will just open more questions. Even in Season 1, to become inconspicuous they become way more conspicuous.

In another example of hack writing, the opening date between Wyatt and Brittany (so underused this season) where the guy comes up with the "Where do I know you from? Are you Rachel's friend?" to 'force' her to admit she's a former prostitute. No one would do that. And wasn't Rachel also the name mentioned during the Douche Bro/Roman barbecue? I just found it weird to use the same name twice.

And speaking of Roman, he is such a shit character. I get that they're trying to present him as losing it over the murder, but there's no way he wasn't beating people half to death before.

I like Wyatt because he's the only other character on the show who seems to have energy and personality. But I couldn't figure him out. He's the rich construction mogul, but I thought he was the lackey for Douche Bro. But he does lackey work while being the money guy? Except he needs Douche Bro's money? All of the side characters this year really suck.

I actually like Girliath but I feel like they'll give her the shaft near the end like they did last year.

In full disclosure, I watched this episode on my phone and was so bored by the final quarter than I skipped 15 seconds here or there and I feel I didn't miss anything. With every skip, it felt like it skipped to the same dialogue. Everything with Marysol is such a drain.

I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting, but here's the big one

Okay, second biggest one. How come the judge was in a bus station? It was like they green screened her office and used the wrong background.

Biggest one - we're halfway through this season. Doesn't it feel like it could end next episode? The idea of another four episodes seems like such a drag.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#25
Watching episode 6 now. Great news, lots of Marisol! She even drains the energy from BBT leaving nothing positive on the show. Yeah, I don't know how there are three more episodes of this.

Douche Bro is a poor man's Brian from Wings.

This episode is the worst yet. Really fucking slow.

We finally have another likable character, the nun.

Just kill the kid already, the viewers don't care about him anyway.

Why is this guy delivering phone messages now?

I checked out for most the epi. Good luck getting through it.
 
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