Amazon Goliath - Season 2 - June 15, 2018!!

LiddyRules

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#27
Watching episode 6 now. Great news, lots of Marisol! She even drains the energy from BBT leaving nothing positive on the show. Yeah, I don't know how there are three more episodes of this.

Douche Bro is a poor man's Brian from Wings.

This episode is the worst yet. Really fucking slow.

We finally have another likable character, the nun.

Just kill the kid already, the viewers don't care about him anyway.

Why is this guy delivering phone messages now?

I checked out for most the epi. Good luck getting through it.
Have you SEEN Weber lately? There's a poor man's Weber?!?!?!?

Is there really any difference between Roman and Douche Bro? That's why I like Wyatt. At least he looks different.

But yeah. It really feels like they could wrap it up after episode 4. The conspiracy isn't interesting. The crime isn't interesting. And Marisol... is she cold and calculating or is she essentially collateral damage? Because she seems a mix of both and by now should be one or the other. Or she's neither and just a BBT fuck buddy. Which is even worse.

The one thing I have to give this season credit for is having "This Isn't A David Lynch Audition" actually giving information on the voice mail instead of being killed after a "call me!" voicemail.
 
#28
You have to give them credit for taking risks, and most of the time it doesn't work but it doesn't completely fall flat. But now everything is not working. We've reached a new low.
 
#30
The unthinkable has happened. Everything is so bad about the show that BBT's acting has turned. I honestly didn't think that was possible, he has been so good. I feel bad for him.
 
#32
When they duck under the drone. That was supposed to be a modern day homage to North by Northwest, was it not?
 

LiddyRules

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#33
When they duck under the drone. That was supposed to be a modern day homage to North by Northwest, was it not?
Without seeing it. Probably. Because he's watching it on his laptop in the first episode. And I only remember that because I thought, "I'd expect him to watch that on a TV "
 

LiddyRules

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#35
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 5.

Is there anyway to watch this show at 1.25x time? 20 minutes on a date with Brittany and on a date with Girliath. I don't even know if anything else happened in this episode. I guess Roman revealed most things, but like last season, they didn't show the actual confrontation. All we saw was Goliath saying "Tito was your CI."

And I don't get why Marisol is acting even more conspicuous.
"Some guy just called and said a really cryptic message."
"Yeah, I'm going to have to let you go. Nothing to read into here."

And did Marisol take Goliath to the guy who's reminds me of if Russ Hanneman from Silicon Valley was in Breaking Bad?

And again, the Prosecutor is the only character who makes sense, even if he did punch Roman like it's a cop show in 1995.

I'm going to guess that Marisol gets the redemption arc.
 

LiddyRules

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#36
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 6. Why am I still doing this?

I like how the two key witnesses in murder case are killed on the same day very mysteriously and obviously and people are like "nah. We can't look into this."

Glad we got JT's backstory.

What the fuck with protective custody?

So the judge does work out of a bus station.

Why did Marisol take him home anyway? Obviously, Brother needs to kill him but she seems shocked by it. That's what sucks about the character. They make her seem like she knows everything...until bad stuff is going to happen, then she's confused.

Does Goliath take his passport with him everywhere?

I really liked his suit, but I can't imagine him buying it.

What was the point of the bed story? They obviously weren't poor.

Next episode is over an hour?!?!
 
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#37
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 6. Why am I still doing this?

I like how the two key witnesses in murder case are killed on the same day very mysteriously and obviously and people are like "nah. We can't look into this."

Glad we got JT's backstory.

What the fuck with protective custody?

So the judge does work out of a bus station.

Why did Marisol take him home anyway? Obviously, Brother needs to kill him but she seems shocked by it. That's what sucks about the character. They make her seem like she knows everything...until bad stuff is going to happen, then she's confused.

Does Goliath take his passport with him everywhere?

I really liked his suit, but I can't imagine him buying it.

What was the point of the bed story? They obviously weren't poor.

Next episode is over an hour?!?!
The boring ones are out of the way. You need to rest your fingers for episodes 7 and 8. You gonna be doing a lot of typing.
 

LiddyRules

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#38
Episode 7.

God damn it @Jacuzzi Billy .

What the hell is it with this show? And it started with the amputee porn but - Season 1 was a fairly straight forward albeit soapy legal drama. In Season 2, it's like they got bored with that concept, wanted to go more the weird Peaks/Legion route, but are incapable of pulling it off.

I don't even know where to begin. I guess the kidnapping scenario ought to feel weird and surrealistic, but it's played/filmed too straight and goes on way too long. You never feel confused or disoriented. And a big part of that is Goliath. From the character we have, he'd have a sense of humor about it. Instead, he treats it too seriously.

And are we to take it that he got so drunk he blacked out? Because I totally expected Marisol's brother to have drugged him (they might reveal that in episode 8, but they should have made it clear in this episode), but instead he did it to himself? That might have worked if he had been sober since Episode 2 and the news drove him back to drinking, but he never doesn't drink in this show so that moment where he breaks has no effect because he doesn't actually break.

Does he not remember the phone calls? Because he never acknowledges remembering.

The gang in the unsafe house felt like all the bad Tarantino ripoff characters of the late 1990s.

Then he tells the Asian chick to start blowing a guy and cut his balls off. She's shocked, and he just says "calm down, it's going to be okay." Do you know the strength it takes - not just the physical strength but the emotional strength - to pull something like that off? Him saying "it's cool" won't cut it.

And then did he just scald and maim a girl who seemed fairly innocent. It's not like she betrayed him or anything, and it's not like she's part of the gang, and it's not even like she could take him in a fight. He mutilated a young woman as a distraction when everyone else was already distracted.

REL at the random alien parade.

REL at him unintentionally pushing the Asian chick into slavery. For all he knows they can't speak English, and he just shoves her into their arms, and they drag her off without a word.

REL at the two guys not waiting the 30 seconds to actually try and find his body. It's not like it was a long freight train. It was 3 people who were off screen by the time they walked away.

Then they have the title. Because god damn it Goliath, you artsy as fuck now.

Then the other bits of the episode, where to begin?

Were we supposed to think Goliath was dead?

The laundry guy being the worst of Law and Order. Why is he telling Girliath anything? "And then I don't know anything about him, here's everything about him."

So Cross isn't just some weird behind the scenes money guy, he's a realtor who literally calls himself the broker?

Why would Girliath even put two and two together? The guy on the bench means the guy on the bench. Laundry guy wasn't some crazy homeless guy who talks in code. He would have said "you know, The Broker. You see his ads on benches."

REL at XTREME 3 STOOGES nose crushing.

So in Danny's fever pitch to kill himself, he decides "fuck it, I'll do it in style" and Jesus arm backwards falls.

Would the cop even answer the phone?

And it occurred to me this episode, I have no idea who was fucking killed. The case driving this season, I've completely forgotten who the victim was.
 

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#39
Episode 7.

God damn it @Jacuzzi Billy .

What the hell is it with this show? And it started with the amputee porn but - Season 1 was a fairly straight forward albeit soapy legal drama. In Season 2, it's like they got bored with that concept, wanted to go more the weird Peaks/Legion route, but are incapable of pulling it off.

I don't even know where to begin. I guess the kidnapping scenario ought to feel weird and surrealistic, but it's played/filmed too straight and goes on way too long. You never feel confused or disoriented. And a big part of that is Goliath. From the character we have, he'd have a sense of humor about it. Instead, he treats it too seriously.

And are we to take it that he got so drunk he blacked out? Because I totally expected Marisol's brother to have drugged him (they might reveal that in episode 8, but they should have made it clear in this episode), but instead he did it to himself? That might have worked if he had been sober since Episode 2 and the news drove him back to drinking, but he never doesn't drink in this show so that moment where he breaks has no effect because he doesn't actually break.

Does he not remember the phone calls? Because he never acknowledges remembering.

The gang in the unsafe house felt like all the bad Tarantino ripoff characters of the late 1990s.

Then he tells the Asian chick to start blowing a guy and cut his balls off. She's shocked, and he just says "calm down, it's going to be okay." Do you know the strength it takes - not just the physical strength but the emotional strength - to pull something like that off? Him saying "it's cool" won't cut it.

And then did he just scald and maim a girl who seemed fairly innocent. It's not like she betrayed him or anything, and it's not like she's part of the gang, and it's not even like she could take him in a fight. He mutilated a young woman as a distraction when everyone else was already distracted.

REL at the random alien parade.

REL at him unintentionally pushing the Asian chick into slavery. For all he knows they can't speak English, and he just shoves her into their arms, and they drag her off without a word.

REL at the two guys not waiting the 30 seconds to actually try and find his body. It's not like it was a long freight train. It was 3 people who were off screen by the time they walked away.

Then they have the title. Because god damn it Goliath, you artsy as fuck now.

Then the other bits of the episode, where to begin?

Were we supposed to think Goliath was dead?

The laundry guy being the worst of Law and Order. Why is he telling Girliath anything? "And then I don't know anything about him, here's everything about him."

So Cross isn't just some weird behind the scenes money guy, he's a realtor who literally calls himself the broker?

Why would Girliath even put two and two together? The guy on the bench means the guy on the bench. Laundry guy wasn't some crazy homeless guy who talks in code. He would have said "you know, The Broker. You see his ads on benches."

REL at XTREME 3 STOOGES nose crushing.

So in Danny's fever pitch to kill himself, he decides "fuck it, I'll do it in style" and Jesus arm backwards falls.

Would the cop even answer the phone?

And it occurred to me this episode, I have no idea who was fucking killed. The case driving this season, I've completely forgotten who the victim was.
REL at "REL at XTREME 3 STOOGES nose crushing."

The good news is episode 8 turns it all around and is a well done finale. That's sarcasm in case any of the Philly guys read this.
 

LiddyRules

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#40
REL at "REL at XTREME 3 STOOGES nose crushing."

The good news is episode 8 turns it all around and is a well done finale. That's sarcasm in case any of the Philly guys read this.
The most fucked up thing is they were clearly going for a North by Northwest homage. The big thing in North by Northwest is the "wrong man scenario."

In this, they had the perfect set up for a wrong man scenario because he's blacked out or is drugged and doesn't remember what he did. So they could easily frame him for anything.

Instead, once again, they become even more conspicuous by having him kidnapped in a weird house with crazy people who will tell him "we've purposely kidnapped you until we're told to let you go."

Why not do the wrong man scenario? Because they think they're above taking the homage that far? The only way it actually makes sense?
 

LiddyRules

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#42
The final episode of Goliath this season is described as thus:

On the night of the mayoral election, Billy and his team race to take down the people responsible before they become an unstoppable Goliath.

That sounds weird, right? That final bit. And it occurred to me, the reason the description was written that poorly was because the show forgot its own premise. It's called Goliath because he fights for the underdog, but who is he actively fighting in this?

Marisol: Only a mayoral candidate whose biggest strength is a good but not great lead on her opponents. And whom the show can't decide is a threat to be dealt with or fairly oblivious to everything going on.
Wyatt: He's supposed to be the most richiest and powerfulest contractor in all of Tinseltown, but you never feel that he's rich or powerful. Amputee porn aside, he does lackey work and carries himself like a nobody. And it's not to distract from his calculating nature, it's just how he's written - far too normally. And to continue his success he "needs to keep Marisol happy" so he can't be that important.
Roman- I thought this was going to involve LAPD corruption, but he seems to be the only one affected by this case, and he's the character most broken by it.
Douche Bro: I still can't figure out what his point is or how he played into this, but like Roman he was painted more with a good brush towards the end.
The Broker: The man behind the scenes? But not really? None of Team Billy knew who he was until five minutes ago, and it's still unclear what his role is in all of this. You can figure it out from tropes, "bad guys do conspiracy!" but his actual role still seems fairly obtuse.
Marisol's Brother: Ditto. Goliath wouldn't know he existed if Marisol didn't take him there. And because he's in Mexico, Goliath can't go after him. And he ostensibly serves the same function as The Broker, guy behind the scenes pulling the strings.

And what are their plans? Well, nothing. It's not like Wyatt plans to take over locations X, Y, and Z to build so and so thus disrupting whatever. He seems to want to keep continuing to build the way he always has. I could be entirely wrong but I'm unsure what the Victim knew that warranted them killing him and framing Julio for it and then killing Julio.

Onto the final episode.
 

LiddyRules

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#43
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 8 done. God damn it you son of a bitch, it's over.

I don't even know what to make of that episode. I still don't know why they covered up any death or why or what their overall scheme was. But there's a lot to unpack so let's get started.

So The Broker didn't know who Goliath and Girlliath were? Shouldn't he be the type of character who knows everyone and everything, let alone the attorney for the kid they framed for murder? He does know that that's involved because he asks for immunity, but doesn't know the players? And I love how everyone on this show just says "Immunity!" as soon as someone says "Can I ask you a question?"

Why didn't Wyatt turn off the fucking phone? Or mute it?

When Tania answered the phone my thought was "finally Tania does something" but nope. She's worthless this season.

REL drunk Denise.

How does the time work? Did Billy not change his clothes from when he got back? Wash his face? Did he get back on election night? I didn't get that sense from last episode.

So the cops like Goliath? Why else would they be so cool with letting his kid go after drunk driving and threatening the mayor? And did no one from Marisol's office see anything? Go outside? Wait with her? They worked with her so they know her.

I like how the FBI Agent plays his scenes like he's in a RomCom. After he calls Girliath out for stealing the phone, I wanted to follow him driving away crying listening to a sad song.

Once again, the big scene where Goliath learns everything (from The Broker) is not included.

Now Wyatt just sells out Marisol to Goliath? Why can't people just play it cool?

What's with the overuse of the old time trope of people hearing voices from the past?

So they just show up in Marisol's home town seemingly instantaneously?

REL at the class picture thing. That seemed like such an odd thing this seemingly impoverished school would have. And it's the picture of a 5 year old. It's not evidence of anything.

What the fuck was that ending for Wyatt? That was incredible.

Why can't they take Marisol down?

Can the mayor commandeer "broody romantic rooftops" whenever he or she desires?

So was Marisol's brother behind it all? Is his reach that big? Why didn't he exert it earlier?

I guess my final comment is this. Remember when they had that episode that told Marisol's backstory in child's book form? One thing that stuck out to me was the final line was something "and she still has that toy today and whenever she touches it, it still brings her joy." I didn't remember seeing the toy before, but that might have been a detail I missed. I didn't remember seeing the toy after, but I watched a good portion of the back half on my phone so I might have missed it. But I watched this one on my TV, and Billy's line to her at the end about every time she goes to bed at night, he wants the last thing she sees to be Julio hanging. And that would have been the optimal time for her to hold her toy and feel nothing from it. It no longer brings her solace. And they don't even do that.

But fuck it. It's done. It's over. This season was a disaster. I want to say we won't do Season 3 because by the end this wasn't even fun anymore it was a slog. But we probably will because what else do we have going on?
 

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#44
@Jacuzzi Billy

Episode 8 done. God damn it you son of a bitch, it's over.

I don't even know what to make of that episode. I still don't know why they covered up any death or why or what their overall scheme was. But there's a lot to unpack so let's get started.

So The Broker didn't know who Goliath and Girlliath were? Shouldn't he be the type of character who knows everyone and everything, let alone the attorney for the kid they framed for murder? He does know that that's involved because he asks for immunity, but doesn't know the players? And I love how everyone on this show just says "Immunity!" as soon as someone says "Can I ask you a question?"

Why didn't Wyatt turn off the fucking phone? Or mute it?

When Tania answered the phone my thought was "finally Tania does something" but nope. She's worthless this season.

REL drunk Denise.

How does the time work? Did Billy not change his clothes from when he got back? Wash his face? Did he get back on election night? I didn't get that sense from last episode.

So the cops like Goliath? Why else would they be so cool with letting his kid go after drunk driving and threatening the mayor? And did no one from Marisol's office see anything? Go outside? Wait with her? They worked with her so they know her.

I like how the FBI Agent plays his scenes like he's in a RomCom. After he calls Girliath out for stealing the phone, I wanted to follow him driving away crying listening to a sad song.

Once again, the big scene where Goliath learns everything (from The Broker) is not included.

Now Wyatt just sells out Marisol to Goliath? Why can't people just play it cool?

What's with the overuse of the old time trope of people hearing voices from the past?

So they just show up in Marisol's home town seemingly instantaneously?

REL at the class picture thing. That seemed like such an odd thing this seemingly impoverished school would have. And it's the picture of a 5 year old. It's not evidence of anything.

What the fuck was that ending for Wyatt? That was incredible.

Why can't they take Marisol down?

Can the mayor commandeer "broody romantic rooftops" whenever he or she desires?

So was Marisol's brother behind it all? Is his reach that big? Why didn't he exert it earlier?

I guess my final comment is this. Remember when they had that episode that told Marisol's backstory in child's book form? One thing that stuck out to me was the final line was something "and she still has that toy today and whenever she touches it, it still brings her joy." I didn't remember seeing the toy before, but that might have been a detail I missed. I didn't remember seeing the toy after, but I watched a good portion of the back half on my phone so I might have missed it. But I watched this one on my TV, and Billy's line to her at the end about every time she goes to bed at night, he wants the last thing she sees to be Julio hanging. And that would have been the optimal time for her to hold her toy and feel nothing from it. It no longer brings her solace. And they don't even do that.

But fuck it. It's done. It's over. This season was a disaster. I want to say we won't do Season 3 because by the end this wasn't even fun anymore it was a slog. But we probably will because what else do we have going on?
You know Goliath means business when they give him a baseball bat.

When they told Wyatt that Marisol and Mexico guy were brother/sister, I think that was supposed to be a big reveal but it fell completely flat. They showed the toy in her glove compartment at one point.

Let me try to get through a couple episodes of The Passage then maybe I'll consider season 3 but it's a long shot.
 

LiddyRules

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#45
You know Goliath means business when they give him a baseball bat.

When they told Wyatt that Marisol and Mexico guy were brother/sister, I think that was supposed to be a big reveal but it fell completely flat. They showed the toy in her glove compartment at one point.

Let me try to get through a couple episodes of The Passage then maybe I'll consider season 3 but it's a long shot.
But they needed the scene at the end where the toy doesn't work! It's basic screenwriting!

What a disastrous season. All of the side characters stunk, none of the old side characters from S1 came back or were even mentioned - including the mother of the daughter who hangs around all season, Brittany was given the shaft, and the villains, I still don't get it, what they were trying to do, or what was being covered up.

And I agree. Goliath telling Wyatt that they were brother and sister was seemingly the thing that made him sell her out, but I'm not sure why. I assumed he knew but didn't care or it didn't matter. Because I don't get what it meant for their relationship. He was using her while she was using him while they were both being used by the brother? That wasn't it at all. Marisol and Martysol were using him together? No. I don't get it. Because he had the reaction as though he was emotionally betrayed, but he never had an emotional connection to Marisol.

And then at the end it was supposed to be shocking that Goliath couldn't take anyone down. Who was there left to take? Marisol? Everyone else died horribly.

I was kind of hoping the Asian chick showed up so we knew she wasn't sold into slavery. But I guess she was.

And we never learned that Goliath was drugged by the cartel and that's why he blacked out. So he did it to himself? That's a fucking coincidence.

Yeah. I don't know what could get me back for Season 3 because the first wasn't so bad it was good, it was flawed but interesting. This was just dreadful.

So I assume Martysol was the one who paid for him being the Unsafe House. Why didn't he just have him killed? He's not above that. And drunk attorney is randomly killed in Mexico might raise some eyebrows but a) not as many as killing the lead cop and the lead suspect in a murder case involving the future mayor on the same day and b) not as many as letting him live thus letting the guy asking most of the questions ask more questions with an even greater dedication towards finding the truth.
 
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LiddyRules

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#46
@Jacuzzi Billy

Here's what we know about Goliath S3. It's Chinatown, Goliath style with a Just One Of The Guys reunion.

Season three of Goliath will feature Thornton as well as new castmembers Dennis Quaid (The Day After Tomorrow), Amy Brenneman (The Leftovers), Beau Bridges (Homeland), Griffin Dunne (House of Lies), Sherilyn Fenn (Twin Peaks: The Return) and Shamier Anderson (Destroyer). They join a cast that includes Nina Arianda, Tania Raymonde, Diana Hopper, Ana de la Reguera and Julie Brister. The third season will see Billy McBride (Thornton) take a case in the drought-stricken Central Valley, where he comes face-to-face with a new Goliath: a billionaire rancher (Quaid) and his sister (Brenneman).

I also know Dennis Quaid is the more respected and acclaimed between him and Randy. Yet when I saw that this season was going to have him and Beau Bridges, my thought was "oh, it has the two lesser brothers."
 

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#48
@Jacuzzi Billy

Here's what we know about Goliath S3. It's Chinatown, Goliath style with a Just One Of The Guys reunion.

Season three of Goliath will feature Thornton as well as new castmembers Dennis Quaid (The Day After Tomorrow), Amy Brenneman (The Leftovers), Beau Bridges (Homeland), Griffin Dunne (House of Lies), Sherilyn Fenn (Twin Peaks: The Return) and Shamier Anderson (Destroyer). They join a cast that includes Nina Arianda, Tania Raymonde, Diana Hopper, Ana de la Reguera and Julie Brister. The third season will see Billy McBride (Thornton) take a case in the drought-stricken Central Valley, where he comes face-to-face with a new Goliath: a billionaire rancher (Quaid) and his sister (Brenneman).

I also know Dennis Quaid is the more respected and acclaimed between him and Randy. Yet when I saw that this season was going to have him and Beau Bridges, my thought was "oh, it has the two lesser brothers."
Randy is definitely more loved than Dennis. Jeff is more loved and respected than Beau.
 
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