GOP: 'In God We Trust' bill needed to remind President Obama

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GOP: 'In God We Trust' bill needed to remind President Obama

By Pete Kasperowicz - 11/01/11 05:41 PM ET

The Republican sponsor of a resolution reaffirming that "In God We Trust" is the national motto of the U.S. said his legislation is needed because President Obama and other public officials often forget that designation.

"Unfortunately, there are a number of public officials who forget what the national motto is, whether intentionally or unintentionally," Rep. Randy Forbes (R-Va.) said in late Tuesday afternoon debate in the House. "There are those who become confused as to whether or not it can still be placed on our buildings, whether it can be placed in our school classrooms.

"Almost a year ago, the president in making a speech across the world said that our national motto was 'E pluribus unum,' " Forbes added. "When the Visitor Center was opened ... they did not have the national motto in there. In fact, they inscribed in the stones that our national motto was 'E pluribus unum.' "

The resolution passed easily Tuesday evening in a 396-9 roll-call vote. Only one Republican voted against it, along with eight Democrats.

Voting against the bill were Reps. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Judy Chu (D-Calif.), Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), Mike Honda (D-Calif.), Hank Johnson (D-Ga.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Bobby Scott (D-Va.) and Pete Stark (D-Calif.). Stark is the House's only open atheist.

Two Democrats voted "present" — Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), and Mel Watt (D-N.C.).

Nadler was the only Democrat to speak; he said Republicans were turning to the resolution in order to dodge more important issues such as job creation.

"Why have my Republican friends returned to an irrelevant agenda?" he asked, noting that voters want Congress to focus on jobs. "And yet here we are, back to irrelevant issue debates, the kind of thing people do when they have run out of ideas, when they have run out of excuses, when they have nothing to offer a middle class that is hurting and that has run out of patience."

Nadler stressed that the national motto is not under attack, and said the resolution appears to be an attempt by Republicans to look more religious than others.
"This is simply an exercise in saying, 'We're more religious than the other people, we're more godly than the other people, and by the way, let's waste time and divert people's attention from the real issues that we're not dealing with,' like unemployment," he said.

Forbes argued back that by dismissing the importance of the resolution, he was dismissing several past U.S. presidents who cited God in various speeches throughout history. "They are far more than words, they are the very fabric that has built and sustained the greatest country the world has ever known," he said.

But Nadler rejected that take.

"Nobody said the national motto ... is just words," Nadler said. "What I said is that this resolution is just words, because nobody is threatening the national motto. It's there. It's on our currency, it's on our walls, it's there. It's our national motto. No one denies that fact. Nothing will change when we pass this resolution. It was our national motto yesterday, it's our national motto today, and it'll be our national motto tomorrow."

Still, Republicans said the increasing attacks against recognition of the motto warrant passage of the resolution. Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.) said a lawsuit in his district challenging the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance went all the way to the Supreme Court, and that there are still active lawsuits related to the use of "God" in public settings.

"This is an important message to reaffirm, it is in fact under attack, we are not wasting time," Lungren.

Lungren and other Republicans agreed that reaffirming the motto is important because the U.S. was built on the understanding that God gives its citizens certain rights, which cannot be taken away by the government.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...t-bill-need-to-remind-obama-of-national-motto
 

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The term "God" is so generic that it's basically meaningless, inert and utterly harmless.

You can slap God on whatever you want and even an old battle ax of an agnostic/atheist like me couldn't even give a care.

Because the next question out of my mouth is... have you kiddies been paying attention? That correct... "Which God?" Ask the Moral Orals that and watch them go, "Hamana hamana... you know... God." Ahhh, that certainly that narrows it down.

The only thing really pisses me off is the time and effort(not to mention taxpayer dollars) that's constantly being wasted on this stupid, meaningless God shit.
 

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"I think we should let Jesus take the wheel to steer us out of our country's current tail-spin." [/religious idiot]
Good luck with that.
 

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"I think we should let Jesus take the wheel to steer us out of our country's current tail-spin." [/religious idiot]
Good luck with that.
To quote Anthony during the top 10 country songs "Jesus take the wheel, I can't fucking drive."
 

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:smackhead: why must my money be wasted on this shit.
 

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The term "God" is so generic that it's basically meaningless, inert and utterly harmless.

You can slap God on whatever you want and even an old battle ax of an agnostic/atheist like me couldn't even give a care.

Because the next question out of my mouth is... have you kiddies been paying attention? That correct... "Which God?" Ask the Moral Orals that and watch them go, "Hamana hamana... you know... God." Ahhh, that certainly that narrows it down.

The only thing really pisses me off is the time and effort(not to mention taxpayer dollars) that's constantly being wasted on this stupid, meaningless God shit.
This.

If you're an idiot at least.
 

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The term "God" is so generic that it's basically meaningless,
I hate this argument. There is only one religion that God as the term for their deity, and that's Christianity and its derivatives. Quit pretending otherwise. When you say In God We Trust you are not talking about Allah.

really pisses me off is the time and effort(not to mention taxpayer dollars) that's constantly being wasted on this stupid, meaningless God shit.
And this.
 

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The resolution passed easily Tuesday evening in a 396-9 roll-call vote. Only one Republican voted against it, along with eight Democrats.
I agree this is a complete waste of time, but the article made it sound like the Republicans shoved this through. Assuming all but one Republican voted for it, 155 members of other parties (obviously most of them Democrat) had to also vote for it.
 

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The GOP loses me on this argument every time. Pander to the zealots assholes.
 

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I agree this is a complete waste of time, but the article made it sound like the Republicans shoved this through. Assuming all but one Republican voted for it, 155 members of other parties (obviously most of them Democrat) had to also vote for it.
Pussy Dems don't want to be tagged as anti-American/anti-God.
 

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I agree this is a complete waste of time, but the article made it sound like the Republicans shoved this through. Assuming all but one Republican voted for it, 155 members of other parties (obviously most of them Democrat) had to also vote for it.
Pussy Dems don't want to be tagged as anti-American/anti-God.
This (again). After it came to a vote they're pretty much holding them hostage for a yes vote.

And the whole reason it replaced our E Pluribus Unum motto was because of the Red Scare in the 50's.
 

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They work on salary. This didn't cost any extra, so that argument is out the window. And any frivolous bill being voted in takes up time that could be spent stealing your money or curtailing your rights, so let then vote on stupid shit all day long.
 

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Pussy Dems don't want to be tagged as anti-American/anti-God.
That's fine, but the same could have applied to the majority of the Republicans. The article is written as if the entire Republican Party in the house shoved this down the Democrats' throats. I'm sure a few people sponsored the bill, and just like you said everyone voted for it because they were expected to by their constituents.

I have a huge problem with wasting time on this bullshit... I just didn't like the way the article was phrased.

They work on salary. This didn't cost any extra, so that argument is out the window. And any frivolous bill being voted in takes up time that could be spent stealing your money or curtailing your rights, so let then vote on stupid shit all day long.
Fuck you know what, I almost agree with this. We would probably be better off if every day the only thing Congress voted on was what to have for lunch.
 

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Two Democrats voted "present" — Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), and Mel Watt (D-N.C.).
This is a side issue but I think voting "present" should be illegal. If you want the job, do it. You can't beg to play ball then pass up your turn at bat.
 

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I wonder if Obama spoke to God while he was piecing together this jobs plan that God wants so badly...

Obama: God Backs Jobs Plan

President Barack Obama Wednesday said even God wanted to put Americans back to work, invoking divine blessing for his joust with Republicans over measures designed to slice into high unemployment.

Obama also taunted his foes with historic arguments in favor of repairing vital infrastructure once made by conservative icon Ronald Reagan, as he stumped for a $60 billion infrastructure bill being taken up by the Senate.

The president rebuked the House of Representatives for passing a bill reaffirming the US motto "In God We Trust" rather than getting to work on his stalled $447 billion jobs program.

"That's not putting people back to work. I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work," the president said.

Obama's spokesman Jay Carney denied that Obama had perhaps gone too far by dragging the Almighty into a fierce political spat.

"I believe that the phrase from the Bible is 'the Lord helps those who help themselves,'" Carney said.

"I think the point the president is making is that, you know, we have it within our capacity to do the things to help the American people."

The White House was later forced to clarify however that the phrase Carney used, though often mistaken for scripture, was not in fact biblical.
LOL at Carney flubbing that quote. Though...I would've never known. I'm not very religiousy.
 

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I wonder if Obama spoke to God while he was piecing together this jobs plan that God wants so badly...

LOL at Carney flubbing that quote. Though...I would've never known. I'm not very religiousy.
The religion haters don't mind when democrats invoke god, because they're not taken seriously as actually meaning it.
 

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I hate this argument. There is only one religion that God as the term for their deity, and that's Christianity and its derivatives. Quit pretending otherwise. When you say In God We Trust you are not talking about Allah.

You realize that Allah IS arabic for God yes? That's like saying that library and biblioteca mean two different things
 

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Can we waste some more time and money on legislation about some other shit that doesn't exist now?
 

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You realize that Allah IS arabic for God yes?
No, it's not. This is a common western misconception. In fact, one of Islams major prayers ( I don't know which one) goes "There is no god but Allah." Only Judeo Christianity uses God as a proper noun.
 
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No, it's not. This is a common western misconception. In fact, one of Islams major prayers ( I don't know which one) goes "There is no god but Allah." Only Judeo Christianity uses God as a proper noun.
Because if there's one thing God cares about, it's semantics.