GSP: Talking Anderson Superfight

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http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=7681&offset=0

Georges St. Pierre has stated definitively that he is prepared to fight UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva - but only if certain conditions are met.

The welterweight champion, who has all but cleaned out his weight division, has been linked with an Anderson ‘superfight’ for some time, but has said relatively little about it himself.

Speaking to Sportsnet.ca's in his native Canada, St. Pierre confirmed he is open to fighting Anderson but that the necessary move up in weight would have to be carefully managed.

“For me to go up in weight class, I need to consider a lot of things. Because if I go up, I cannot go back down. I cannot play with my weight easy like that,” he said. “[And] I think he walks around at 230-pounds, he's very big. I don't know if he can cut down.”

“Putting on or losing too much weight, for me, is very hard. I'm always about the same size, I've got an ectomorph type physique.”

St. Pierre said he would try and add weight to fight Silva but “it just depends on the amount of time I have to do it. If I do it, I have to do it well, it takes time. But, if the UFC is willing to give me the time to do so, and not make me fight during that period time…”

St. Pierre also said he would require the UFC not to match Anderson with anyone during the period that St. Pierre was preparing to move up in weight because “if he fights and something happens - you know, he loses and now [suddenly] he's not invincible [at middleweight any more] - everything goes out the window.”

In November, St. Pierre will defend his title against Carlos Condit. He had been due to face Nick Diaz but the former Strikeforce champion, famed for his errant ways, failed to attend several pre-fight press conferences and was pulled from the bout. He now faces Condit’s original opponent BJ Penn.
 

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I hope he gets past Condit & makes this his next fight

That is the fight I want to see & I would love Diaz (if he beats Penn) to miss out on that payday
 

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GSP has been saying that for a while now and with AS out until next year, this would be the perfect time to make it happen. Whether is at catch-weight or at 185, I don't care, I just want to see the 2 top fighters in the UFC settle who is the best.
 

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GSP has been saying that for a while now and with AS out until next year, this would be the perfect time to make it happen. Whether is at catch-weight or at 185, I don't care, I just want to see the 2 top fighters in the UFC settle who is the best.
Agree 100%
 

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This is a dumb fight, it remains a dumb fight, and will be a dumb fight for the foreseeable future.

It's not a superfight. It would be A.S. destroying and tarnishing the reputation of one of the great welterweights of all time.

You've got a guy that is winning decisions (that lost 2 rounds to Jake Shields and couldn't ground-game a British no-wrestling boxer to a finish, FFS) against a guy that has utterly destroyed almost everyone he's faced for years.

I can't stand stupid AS and his slippery circle-jerking when he decides to play around with someone. But you do not beat that guy by giving him what is in all respects a world-class ground game artist who will not be able to get him to the ground because of a roughly 30-pound weight disadvantage, to say nothing of a 4-inch height disadvantage.

You beat Anderson Silva by feeding him to bigger and bigger fighters until he loses. The "superfights" people should be making are against LHW and even HW, not against a guy who could make 185 if he took a good dump.

If people want this stupid fight so bad I wish Dana would make it so that GSP gets his head knocked off and all this superfight nonsense stops.
 

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This is a dumb fight, it remains a dumb fight, and will be a dumb fight for the foreseeable future.

It's not a superfight. It would be A.S. destroying and tarnishing the reputation of one of the great welterweights of all time.

You've got a guy that is winning decisions (that lost 2 rounds to Jake Shields and couldn't ground-game a British no-wrestling boxer to a finish, FFS) against a guy that has utterly destroyed almost everyone he's faced for years.

I can't stand stupid AS and his slippery circle-jerking when he decides to play around with someone. But you do not beat that guy by giving him what is in all respects a world-class ground game artist who will not be able to get him to the ground because of a roughly 30-pound weight disadvantage, to say nothing of a 4-inch height disadvantage.

You beat Anderson Silva by feeding him to bigger and bigger fighters until he loses. The "superfights" people should be making are against LHW and even HW, not against a guy who could make 185 if he took a good dump.

If people want this stupid fight so bad I wish Dana would make it so that GSP gets his head knocked off and all this superfight nonsense stops.
Honestly,

Brock vs Reem is a better "superfight" than this one, and neither of them are even top 3 in their weight class.
 

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Honestly,

Brock vs Reem is a better "superfight" than this one, and neither of them are even top 3 in their weight class.
:clap:

I would like to see Silva fight every PPV tho. Just to see how long it would take for him to lose
 

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Yeah, it's silly.

I mean, if you're looking for a "superfight" with AS, ultimately the challenge being posed is to find someone who can beat Anderson Silva.

GSP is a fantastic welterweight. There is an argument to be made that he's the greatest of all time at that weight, and he's easily in the top 10 p4p fighters in the world.

But he hasn't beat anyone standing up since winning the belt at UFC 63 in 2006, five years ago. To think that he's a "superfight" against one of the greatest strikers of all time in any sport who also has a terrific BJJ game and outweighs him by 30 pounds is asinine.

The only people who want to see that fight fall into three groups: Stupid, BJ Penn, and Matt Hughes.
 

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This is a dumb fight, it remains a dumb fight, and will be a dumb fight for the foreseeable future.

It's not a superfight. It would be A.S. destroying and tarnishing the reputation of one of the great welterweights of all time.

You've got a guy that is winning decisions (that lost 2 rounds to Jake Shields and couldn't ground-game a British no-wrestling boxer to a finish, FFS) against a guy that has utterly destroyed almost everyone he's faced for years.

I can't stand stupid AS and his slippery circle-jerking when he decides to play around with someone. But you do not beat that guy by giving him what is in all respects a world-class ground game artist who will not be able to get him to the ground because of a roughly 30-pound weight disadvantage, to say nothing of a 4-inch height disadvantage.
What? Who told you AS would have a 30 pound advantage? This misconception that AS is so much bigger than GSP that he would tower over him is so silly. GSP is the only one that uses the size as an excuse, but he had no problem fighting Alves and guarantee he wouldn't have a problem fighting Rumble. Both who easily walk around 200+ pounds.

If the fight were to be at catch-weight, say 178, how in the world would AS have this huge weight advantage? Is not like AS would balloon to 220 overnight, both would be around 190 pounds after the weigh ins.

Don't believe GSP fights at the weight? Coach: GSP will be 192 or 193 Saturday night

As soon as the weigh-in is done (Friday afternoon) we’ll give him a recovery drink. We’ll even give him Prime (a workout supplement by Gatorade, which sponsors St-Pierre) because he needs the carbohydrates that much more . . . he’ll enter the ring at 192 or 193 pounds.
Ah, but what about reach? Surely AS has an unfair advantage there? Well, lets take a look. GSP has a 76 reach, while AS has a 77.6. Yeah that's so unfair for GSP, God forbid he doesn't have the reach advantage like he did vs Sherk who had a 67 reach.

The only clear advantage that AS would have is height, but everything else is about equal.

Honestly,

Brock vs Reem is a better "superfight" than this one, and neither of them are even top 3 in their weight class.
Ok, Cain and JDS are 1 and 2 respectively, so I ask, if neither Brock or Overeem belong at 3, who does?

Yeah, it's silly.

I mean, if you're looking for a "superfight" with AS, ultimately the challenge being posed is to find someone who can beat Anderson Silva.
Hmm, lets see, how about someone who has excellent wrestling, takedowns and TDD, has good striking, is a BB in BJJ and has cardio for days?

Yeah that sounds like GSP to me. The fighter that's going to beat AS is the one who can pull a Sonnen and LnP on him. Do I think GSP will beat AS? No, I think AS catches GSP before the fight is over, but that doesn't mean GSP doesn't belong in the same octagon.

GSP is a fantastic welterweight. There is an argument to be made that he's the greatest of all time at that weight, and he's easily in the top 10 p4p fighters in the world.

But he hasn't beat anyone standing up since winning the belt at UFC 63 in 2006, five years ago. To think that he's a "superfight" against one of the greatest strikers of all time in any sport who also has a terrific BJJ game and outweighs him by 30 pounds is asinine.

The only people who want to see that fight fall into three groups: Stupid, BJ Penn, and Matt Hughes.
I guess you didn't see the Koscheck fight, the Fitch fight or even the Shields fight. :action-sm

If you meant he hasn't finished a fight via strikes, then you have a point, but that's irrelevant since this is MMA and not boxing.

Bottom line is, GSP has the tools to win the fight. Stylistically, he has the skills to do it, he doesn't even have to out-strike AS to beat him. Again, I don't think he will, but I would love to see GSP give it a try.
 
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I hope this happens so Fitch can be the new WW champ. Fuck all you Fitch haters ahead of time, I like him.
 

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What? Who told you AS would have a 30 pound advantage? This misconception that AS is so much bigger than GSP that he would tower over him is so silly.
Silly indeed.


Nope, nothing to see here. Move along...
GSP is the only one that uses the size as an excuse, but he had no problem fighting Alves and guarantee he wouldn't have a problem fighting Rumble. Both who easily walk around 200+ pounds.
And both of whom cut to 170. If AS was going to cut to 170 you might have an argument.
If the fight were to be at catch-weight, say 178, how in the world would AS have this huge weight advantage? Is not like AS would balloon to 220 overnight, both would be around 190 pounds after the weigh ins.
Ah, yes, that's right, I forgot I was talking to Dr. Johnny Benjamin... Tell us again how every human being regains their water weight at exactly the same rate after a weight cut, "doctor".

If what you say was true, there would be no advantage to cutting larger amounts of weight than your opponent, because you'd both come in at the same exact size anyway. Recent moves down in weight by guys like Joe Stevenson and Kenny "I finish fights at 155" Florian must seem really silly to you.
Don't believe GSP fights at the weight?
I have a better source for you on this issue: GSP.
http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/111615.html
Hmm, lets see, how about someone who has excellent wrestling, takedowns and TDD, has good striking, is a BB in BJJ and has cardio for days?
How about not someone who can't finish fights in his own, lower, weight class?
Yeah that sounds like GSP to me. The fighter that's going to beat AS is the one who can pull a Sonnen and LnP on him.
And Sonnen couldn't, with AS' bruised ribs, better wrestling, and an extra 20-30 pounds.
Do I think GSP will beat AS? No, I think AS catches GSP before the fight is over, but that doesn't mean GSP doesn't belong in the same octagon.
I didn't say he doesn't. I'm saying he does not have a decent chance at winning, so acting like it's some "superfight" is ridiculous.
I guess you didn't see the Koscheck fight, the Fitch fight or even the Shields fight. :action-sm
:icon_eek: Are you arguing my points or yours? Are you seriously using the fact that GSP couldn't finish 3 wrestlers standing up as proof that he deserves a fight against a guy who is easily in the top 5 MMA strikers of all time?
If you meant he hasn't finished a fight via strikes, then you have a point, but that's irrelevant since this is MMA and not boxing.
... wow. Just wow.
Bottom line is, GSP has the tools to win the fight.
You mean the skills that couldn't knock out 170-lb wrestlers or the skills that couldn't submit 170-lb boxers? Pardon me if I don't see how those skills will give him a good shot against a bigger, stronger guy who makes a very strong case for being the greatest of all time.

GSP is a brilliant WW. He is head and shoulders among basically every 170 pounder in the world. Nothing about that fact, however, makes it a good idea to put him up against the 185-pound greatest mixed martial artist ever.
 

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Silly indeed.


Nope, nothing to see here. Move along...
LOL, you actually used a picture provided by a guy who doesn’t want to see this fight happen? How unbiased of you.

Of course AS looks bigger there, but that pic wasn’t taken side by side, I have no idea if the photos were even taken on the same year. But since you like to post pictures, here’s one you might like.




It's like they don’t belong in the same weight class….ohh wait….

And both of whom cut to 170. If AS was going to cut to 170 you might have an argument.
Wait, are you saying if the fight were to happen at 170, it would be ok? Are you saying whatever size advantage AS might have wouldn’t matter because it would at 170? Wow, so if it doesn’t matter at 170, why would it matter at 178, especially since GSP cuts about 23 pounds in one day?

Ah, yes, that's right, I forgot I was talking to Dr. Johnny Benjamin... Tell us again how every human being regains their water weight at exactly the same rate after a weight cut, "doctor".
Not a doctor, but I’m going by what both fighters have said about their weight cuts etc…

If what you say was true, there would be no advantage to cutting larger amounts of weight than your opponent, because you'd both come in at the same exact size anyway. Recent moves down in weight by guys like Joe Stevenson and Kenny "I finish fights at 155" Florian must seem really silly to you.
Did you just tried to use Joe daddy as a way to prove that cutting weight is an advantage? You do realize he’s on 4 fight losing streak and not even with the UFC anymore right? As for Florian, he has dropped all the way from 185 and he’s still the same avg fighter he’s always been. There’s a reason why he’ll never be a UFC champ no matter how much weight he cuts.

And yes, its extremely silly because cutting weight is not the answer to everything, if you suck at TDD at 155, you will suck at it at 145.

The same source you used to get the 230lbs number from? Again, how unbiased of you to get that number from the fighter who is constantly reminding people that he would be an ant compare to the giant that is AS.

It doesn’t matter if AS walks at 230lbs or 300lbs, the fact is that come fight nigh he will weight at 185 or 178. He’s not going to go all the way up to 230 come fight day. If walking weight was the real weight of fighters then Rampage should fight at HW because he walks around 250lbs. In fact he didn’t fight Shogun for the belt because he was so fat at the time.

But keep telling yourself AS would have a 30lbs advantage come fight night, cause it doesn't sound ridiculous at all...

How about not someone who can't finish fights in his own, lower, weight class?
Am I missing something here, did he not dominate those fights? So what if he didn’t finish, he still won, which is the point isn’t it?

And Sonnen couldn't, with AS' bruised ribs, better wrestling, and an extra 20-30 pounds.
But if AS has one weakness, however miniscule it is, it’s his wrestling/TDD, which happens to be GSP’s biggest strength, wrestling/TD’s. The fighter that will beat AS is not going to be the one that out strikes him, it’s going to be the one that LnP’s and GSP has a good chance at doing it.

I didn't say he doesn't. I'm saying he does not have a decent chance at winning, so acting like it's some "superfight" is ridiculous.
But the reason he doesn’t stand a chance at winning has nothing to with size and everything to do with skill. If size was the only thing that matter, Brock would still be champ.

If the fight happens, it has Super fight written all over it. Just because you or me think AS would win, doesn't make it less of a dream fight for everyone that has follow both of their careers. We're talking about the #1 and #2 P4P fighters in the world. Both have dominated their respective divisions for years, its equivalent to Floyd fighting Manny. The fight would be huge.

:icon_eek: Are you arguing my points or yours? Are you seriously using the fact that GSP couldn't finish 3 wrestlers standing up as proof that he deserves a fight against a guy who is easily in the top 5 MMA strikers of all time?
Let’s get something straight, I been on record as saying AS would beat GSP for a long time, but that doesn’t mean GSP isn’t a threat to AS.

By the way, this is what you said “But he hasn't beat anyone standing up since winning the belt at UFC 63 in 2006” that sounds like GSP hasn’t been able to use his striking to beat his opponents, which is a complete lie. You, for some reason want to make it seem that because GSP hasn’t won a fight by TKO/KO that he doesn’t have a good stand up.

My thoughts exactly...

You mean the skills that couldn't knock out 170-lb wrestlers or the skills that couldn't submit 170-lb boxers? Pardon me if I don't see how those skills will give him a good shot against a bigger, stronger guy who makes a very strong case for being the greatest of all time.
Now you’re just sounding like those idiots MMA fans who think GSP sucks/is overrated because he couldn’t finish Shields and Hardy, but fighters like Condit and Ellenberger did.

GSP is a brilliant WW. He is head and shoulders among basically every 170 pounder in the world. Nothing about that fact, however, makes it a good idea to put him up against the 185-pound greatest mixed martial artist ever.
Of course he is, it’s because he’s so brilliant that he needs a real challenge. He’s on record as saying he fights for his legacy, what better way to leave your mark on the sport than by challenging the best MW fighter in the world? Especially since that MW has said he will fight you at catchweight and has even showed Dana he can make the cut to 178?