Discussion in 'Current Events' started by MJMANDALAY, Jan 10, 2008.
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At first I was going to write that the school went too far. I‘m all for discipline but suspending a kid for an action beyond the realm of the school without knowing in what circumstance said action occurred is beyond the school’s scope in my opinion.
But the kids who were suspended were student-athletes who signed specific agreements that they would not drink nor would be around drinking. Therefore, when the dummies put their pictures up on the net for all the world to see they should have got suspended.
A lesson was learned here: when you make a commitment you need to honor it. If you decide not to honor it then there will be consequences. This was a great teaching-moment and the school was totally in the right.
"Let's Go get some beer."
That's how it was for my high school as well. They couldn't do shit to you in school, but you'd be suspended from your team for a week if you played a sport. They needed no real proof either. If an administrator even heard that you were at a party where there was alcohol, you'd get fucked for it.
Students are planning a walkout to protest?
Fuck them. They signed an agreement not to drink and
they aren't of legal age in the 1st place.
The school was right. Kids today need to learn responsibility
and accountability for poor decisions.
I applaud these school administrators! You make a commitment, you need to live up to it. It may feel harsh to these kids but it's only a suspension. One of the things I feel is missing in education is the concept of learning to to accept the commitments one has made and living up to the consequences of breaking it. Sometimes the best lessons are the hardest and, this isn't that bad.
HAHAHA! Good thing there wasn't a facebook or myspace back in my high school days. The entire student council, NHS, and SADD clubs would have been disbanded and the sports teams & cheer squads would have taken a hit, too. They were some of the heaviest drinkers.
The student pledge is a contract, thus then, anyone under the age of eighteen is not legally bound by it unless a parent or guardian signed it as well, correct?
Personally, I'm fed up with this Nazi like mindset that has taken root in all levels of government and the sheep that blindly follow along.
WAKE UP, you're losing your Liberty every time you go along with these schemes that do nothing but rob you of your RIGHTS.
The only thing missing was a "Vote Ron Paul"
First of all, if you’re under 18 you don't have a right to drink. Second, playing sports in school is a privilege. Third, any right to privacy these kids did have concerning their illegal drinking activities ended the second they willingly put up photos on the Net.
But that is really beside the point. The point is whether or not these kids were legally bound by some contract they signed they still made a commitment and understood it's consequences. Understanding this they then broke that commitment. I don't care how old you are, learning that breaking a commitment comes with consequences is paramount in building your character. Otherwise, your word means nothing.
You are forgetting one vital key with having freedom and that is it is worthless (and in fact dangerous) without it being supported by personal responsibility.
I understand the need to be responsible for your actions. However, we all were young and dumb at some point in our lives and have done similar stupid things.
The point is they weren't on school time, but their own free time. The issue should be between the parents and their children. Not the school stepping and acting beyond their limited authority.
Over twenty years ago (when I was in HS) I noticed the fascist system growing. Today, it's just out of motherfucking control, when will The People say enough is enough and take the control away from these control freaks?
Remove "contract" and insert "promise" and weakside is right. It may say "contract" but really, it's more of a promise not to drink. It's been many, many years since my last business law class, but doesn't there have to be some sort of exchange of something of value for there to be a contract?
Does that make it null and void in a legal sense, or is this something overpaid shysters love to pad their hourly rates with while they "fight" it?
I don't know. I'm not an attorney. I'm just wondering if your "not a legal contract" stance is accurate. I could be totally wrong, just thought I'd throw it out there
From a legal point of view there's no way to bind a minor under the age of 18 to anything with a contract. I actually used to fuck the system over with that all the time when I was growing up by doing those "12 CDs for a penny" scams, then when they'd call to collect for the other 5 they wanted $500 for, I'd tell them I was 16 and fax them a copy of my Driver's License. No more calls. I amassed about 500 CDs that way, they just kept sending them... If only I had decent music taste back then.
That being said, the idea that this was actually a contract or even a promise that begs honoring is laughable. The ONLY jurisdiction a school has over it's students are things that affect their performance in school. If a coach wants to impose his will over his athletes, he can do that as well, but I promise you this "commitment" was not done on the coaching level. If it was, that team stunk on ice.
You teach honor and commitment by teaching someone how to do the right thing, not forcing them to and saying, "See? This is right. Do this all the time and you'll be ok." You have to teach them HOW to do the right thing and be responsible, not give them a "right thing checklist" to follow, because at some point they're going to encounter something that's not on your little fucking list and they're going to have to think for themselves.
They were kids who wanted to play ball so they signed a sheet of paper. Get the fuck over yourselves. No one was hurt, no one caused any trouble other than normal kid shit, and I imagine that they were all in school on time Monday morning with their homework done.
I'm not sure but I thought the word "contract" was simply a written promise. But I could be wrong. In any case you right, the word promise works better.
Your point is a good one and I agree. Underage drinking in my opinion is not anything to freak out about. I, just like pretty much everyone else, was also guilty of it. Frankly I think the legal drinking age should be lowered anyway. The way I see it if you are old enough to die for your country then you are old enough to have a beer. But that is beside the point..
I also agree with you that I don't want to live in a military state with the government controlling everything either. I just think in the one isolated instance the school acted accordingly. I have nothing against the kids, they simply rolled the dice and got caught and now have to pay for it. No major thing so ultimately all the kids lost was a privilege, not a right (one that they agreed to lose if they got caught). If you think about it the kids really didn't leave the school any other choice.