Hillary will garnish your paycheck for forced healthcare

Myhairygrundle

Screw you guys, I'm going home.
Jul 16, 2005
6,797
1,944
543
Texas
#1
Cunt. Does the government have the right to force you into a healthcare program? Discuss.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5509510.html


Clinton may be willing to tap wages for health care


She said the option helping to pay for universal coverage would apply to people who can afford insurance but reject it


By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — To achieve health coverage for all Americans, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Sunday, she might be willing to have workers' wages garnisheed if they refuse to buy health insurance.

The New York senator has criticized rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's This Week, she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms. With her proposals for subsidies, she said, "it will be affordable for everyone."

The presidential contenders in both parties campaigned all-out on Sunday, two days before the Super Tuesday voting in 24 states holding primaries or caucuses.

Clinton suggested Obama would be more susceptible to Republican attack ads in a general election because he has not been scrutinized for years as she has.

"I've been through the Republican attacks over and over again," she said on ABC's This Week. When Obama was elected to the Senate from Illinois in 2004, she said, he "didn't face anyone who ran attack ads" comparable to those aimed at her.

Obama countered, saying Republicans and independents would be more inclined to oppose Clinton than him in a general election.

The problem is "not all of Senator Clinton's making," he said, "but I don't think there's any doubt that the Republicans consider her a polarizing figure," he said on CBS' Face the Nation.

Clinton was campaigning in Missouri and Minneapolis. Obama scheduled a rally in Wilmington, Del., while some of his highest-profile supporters — his wife, Michelle, Oprah Winfrey and Caroline Kennedy — were rallying voters in Los Angeles.

Among Republicans, John McCain was stumping in Connecticut and Mitt Romney scheduled stops in Glen Ellyn, Ill., and the St. Louis suburb of Maryland Heights. Mike Huckabee was concentrating on the South, with appearances in Georgia and Tennessee.

McCain told Fox News Sunday he would veto any tax increase passed by a Democratic-controlled Congress. McCain, who opposed President Bush's first two tax cuts, now says Congress should make the reductions permanent, and that there also should be further tax reductions for business investments.

Meanwhile, Huckabee said it was time for Romney, who lost major contests in South Carolina and Florida to McCain, to drop out of the race.

"I think it's time for Mitt Romney to step aside," Huckabee, who has won only the Iowa caucuses, said on CNN. "If he wants to call it a two-man race, fine. But that makes it John McCain and me."
 
Jun 2, 2005
15,516
4
0
Dallas
#2
I can't wait until they just begin issuing bread and milk coupons for me and my Comrades.
 

Razor Roman

Save the USH!
Aug 27, 2002
10,393
0
366
Sayreville NJ
#3
1 .Huckabee is DELUSIONAL

2. Of course they'll be garnishing our paychecks. They'll be raising payroll taxes, income taxes, every tax imaginable to pay for this scheme. If this goes down its just another step towards the willing enslavement of the working people of the country - and we're going there of our own free will. It's sickening. If I wanted this I could move to Europe.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Aug 23, 2002
41,804
9,228
768
#4
they garnish my pay check now...... whats one more fucking tax
 
Jun 2, 2005
15,516
4
0
Dallas
#5
In other news Exxon/Mobile profited more than any other US company in the history of the US, and still picked up a multi-billion dollar subsidy package from the Federal Government while posting almost a 65% profit margin against us.

Yeah, the correct place to find the money for these ridiculous ideas is obviously to take it out of our pockets in this shitty economy, give it to the even poorer, and ignore that we're paying off a company that's also ripping us off.

Awesome idea.
 

NuttyJim

Registered User
Feb 18, 2006
13,931
6,320
638
#6
and this is just many of the reasons we dont want Hillary to win....
 

Sinn Fein

Infidel and White Interloper
Wackbag Staff
Aug 29, 2002
31,446
2,154
818
Florida's Nature Coast
#7
Hillary is practically the definitive a tax and spend Democrat. Expect a large negative impact to your earnings if the dummies in this country vote her into the White House.
 

NuttyJim

Registered User
Feb 18, 2006
13,931
6,320
638
#8
not to mention that she hates the police and military...
 

d0uche_n0zzle

**Negative_Creep**
Sep 15, 2004
46,674
6,860
693
F.U.B.A.R
#9
Hitlary is the second coming of Satan. What a fucking CUNT!
 

Nortonsmeatytit

"That ball is outta here"
Sep 11, 2005
1,023
0
0
Philly
#11
I'm stocking up on toilet paper and blue jeans. I'm going to be so rich.
:clap::clap::clap:

Don't forget leather shoes (sneakers, etc) I visited East Germany in 1980 they were currency for Christs sake!
 

Vyce

Light-skinned, with no Negro dialect.
Feb 11, 2006
8,171
10
496
Washington D.C.
#12
2. Of course they'll be garnishing our paychecks. They'll be raising payroll taxes, income taxes, every tax imaginable to pay for this scheme. If this goes down its just another step towards the willing enslavement of the working people of the country - and we're going there of our own free will. It's sickening. If I wanted this I could move to Europe.
Quoted for truth.

BUT.

Something bears repeating.

Obama countered, saying Republicans and independents would be more inclined to oppose Clinton than him in a general election.

The problem is "not all of Senator Clinton's making," he said, "but I don't think there's any doubt that the Republicans consider her a polarizing figure," he said on CBS' Face the Nation.
What Obama fails to mention there?

If you elect him, he's pretty much going to do the same fucking thing.

He's got a health care program all of his own, you know. Ultimately, YOU are going to pay for it. Now I'm sure some of you are willing for the government to take money out of your pocket to pay for everyone else's fucking health care, but me, I'm not down with it. I don't want to pay for anyone else's health care (unless they're related by blood or marriage), I don't want anyone else paying for ME.

You can always trust a liberal democrat (and BOTH Hillary and Obama qualify) to try and sneak in a little socialism when they think they can get away with it. And if either gets elected, I think that they will.
 

Nortonsmeatytit

"That ball is outta here"
Sep 11, 2005
1,023
0
0
Philly
#13
I spent three months in Sweden for the summer in 1983 and Sweden has socialized medicine among many other social programs that are funded completely from their absolutely absurd tax system. I met people paying 85% tax rates, that is correct 85%. They even had ridiculous tax rates on beer based on the alcohol percentage of the beer, Class 1 (virtually "near beer") was the lowest, then Class II (like most American Beers) then they had Class III that was like every other European beer with the highest tax rate charged to it. A case of Clas III beer was like $32 (remember this is like 25 years ago) I can only imagine what the cost of luxury or non essential shit is taxed at over there now.

By the way they also had the largest amount of do nothing fucking drunks & drug addicted young people I've ever seen because they have the fall back mentality that "...if I fuck up, it's ok, the government is there to bail me out"
 

Vyce

Light-skinned, with no Negro dialect.
Feb 11, 2006
8,171
10
496
Washington D.C.
#14
By the way they also had the largest amount of do nothing fucking drunks & drug addicted young people I've ever seen because they have the fall back mentality that "...if I fuck up, it's ok, the government is there to bail me out"
Part of the reason why Europe is stagnating.
 

Southtown

Registered User
Aug 10, 2004
1,186
222
588
#15
I dont know all the facts but if I get full health coverage where I dont get any kind of bill afterwards I am down with this. The tax cant be much more then I am already paying in insurance premiums. Has anyone seen Sicko? Insurance companys suck ass. You pay them thousands a year for coverage and do everything in their power not to pay for anything. I have had issues with insurance companys doing this to me and family. So if I get full coverage and not have to worry about moving in with my kid when I am 60 because of hospital bills, I say go for it Hilary, Obama, or whoever.
 

MrAbovePar

En Taro Anthony
Mar 14, 2005
13,775
3,168
678
Covington. La
#16
I dont know all the facts but if I get full health coverage where I dont get any kind of bill afterwards I am down with this. The tax cant be much more then I am already paying in insurance premiums. Has anyone seen Sicko? Insurance companys suck ass. You pay them thousands a year for coverage and do everything in their power not to pay for anything. I have had issues with insurance companys doing this to me and family. So if I get full coverage and not have to worry about moving in with my kid when I am 60 because of hospital bills, I say go for it Hilary, Obama, or whoever.
And you think it'll be great when the gov't forces you to pay them money? Look at the mandated auto insurance and how well that worked out to lower rates.
 

stillbornstew

blogging loser
Jul 26, 2005
8,834
1
273
NOLA
#17
if you start turning away illegal immigrants who go to the ER for a chest cold b/c they can't be turned away you'll be taking the first of many needed steps without taxing anyone.
 

Don the Radio Guy

G-Bb-A-D
Donator
Mar 30, 2006
69,628
5,081
568
Wyoming
#18
You guys can sell your toilet paper and jeans. I call dibs on the market for New Kids on the Block and Venom cassette tapes though.
 

Southtown

Registered User
Aug 10, 2004
1,186
222
588
#19
And you think it'll be great when the gov't forces you to pay them money? Look at the mandated auto insurance and how well that worked out to lower rates.
Doesnt the govt force us to pay them money now? If they decide to take $20,000 from you they will find a way to take it from you, and there would be nothing you can do about it. Whats the difference if its them, or a health insurance company. Millions of people cant afford health insuance already and with the premiums keep rising at a crazy rate where they will become unaffordable for pretty much everyone but the rich.

My wifes job wanted her to pay $400/month for her and our daughter. Thats alot of fucking money for a company that will try and find any excuse not to pay anything out for her, using the preexisting condition bullshit and anything else they can find.

So incase you couldnt tell,I for one am for socialized medicine. I am not a Hilary supporter,but I find it mind boggling that she wants to help people by getting healthcare to everyone and people are complaining about it.
 

Jolie

Filthy Liberal
Aug 25, 2002
2,940
0
536
Virginia
#20
Doesnt the govt force us to pay them money now? If they decide to take $20,000 from you they will find a way to take it from you, and there would be nothing you can do about it. Whats the difference if its them, or a health insurance company. Millions of people cant afford health insuance already and with the premiums keep rising at a crazy rate where they will become unaffordable for pretty much everyone but the rich.

My wifes job wanted her to pay $400/month for her and our daughter. Thats alot of fucking money for a company that will try and find any excuse not to pay anything out for her, using the preexisting condition bullshit and anything else they can find.

So incase you couldnt tell,I for one am for socialized medicine. I am not a Hilary supporter,but I find it mind boggling that she wants to help people by getting healthcare to everyone and people are complaining about it.

You can check, but I believe in most cases, pre-existing conditions are not grounds for refusal for inclusion in a company plan, as long as you had insurance before that covered it.

Additionally, premiums keep rising because healthcare costs keep rising. Healthcare costs keep rising because of a variety of factors - better medicine, better tests, doctors getting sued because someone got a hang nail, their malpractice insurance is rising and the costs get passed to us, uninsured people get sick and cant be refused care, not only illegals but a LOT of people go to the ER for non-emergency situations - a lot of different things affect why doctors charge more, and therefore your premiums go up.

Insurance companies actually LOWER the amount a doctor can make on a service - if you go to a contracted provider, they have agreed to lower rates in order to be accepted by the insurance company. So whereas you might have been charged $120 for a doctors visit without insurance, WITH insurance, their negotiated rate is something like $85, you pay your copay or deductible and the insurance company pays the rest.

That said, in some cases, they are a little behind on which services they approve for coverage (for instance, when the ThinPrep Pap Smear came out, they initially wouldn't cover it, because there was no proof that it caught anything sooner than a traditional pap smear and was more expensive - im not sure where they stand on this test now though), and there comes a point that they DO stop agreeing to certain kinds of coverage - for instance, if you are in a persistant vegetative state, they are not likely to authorize you to stay in a hospital where the rates are higher and authorize additional tests / interventions, and will instead only continue paying if you move to a long term care facility, where the rates are lower and the intervention is typically less.

When I look at how much I paid in insurance premiums, copays, drugs, doctors bills, etc for my family... last year it looks high - probably close to 4 - 5k. But when I look at the fact that those providers billed insurance for over $25k, i kinda got a good deal.
 

Nortonsmeatytit

"That ball is outta here"
Sep 11, 2005
1,023
0
0
Philly
#21
if you start turning away illegal immigrants who go to the ER for a chest cold b/c they can't be turned away you'll be taking the first of many needed steps without taxing anyone.
that and the full term preggo schwoogies who step foot in the emergency ward to deliver the bastard kid like it's their personal free clinic (which it is by the way that we as insureds all fund w/outrageous premiums)

Time to call a spade a spade w/this shit, fuck'em, drop the kid out in fucking street for all I care at this point, I'm tired of footin the bill. I work too hard to continue paying for some idiots fucked up stupid behaviour. I'm beyond the pity party guilt trip bullshit at this point.
 

ruckstande

Posts mostly from the shitter.
Apr 2, 2005
14,886
4,429
678
South Jersey
#22
if you start turning away illegal immigrants who go to the ER for a chest cold b/c they can't be turned away you'll be taking the first of many needed steps without taxing anyone.
YES! My sister is an RN at a Camden, NJ hospital and another hospital in Berlin, NJ. Complete extremes of both races. She says people will just walk past the hospital, think they have a chest cold and a headache and want to be seen. No insurance, no reason to see a doctor, they just want to go. She hates it and has been a nurse for over 17 years. Just trash all over.
 

sbrainb

Go suck a bag of dicks.
Jul 27, 2007
1,244
0
0
New York City
#23
I agree with the whole concept of socialized medicine (*sbrainb ducks and covers*) but fuck Hillary for wanting to garnish people's salaries. Add it to the long fucking list of reasons why I hate that cunt.
 

Vyce

Light-skinned, with no Negro dialect.
Feb 11, 2006
8,171
10
496
Washington D.C.
#24
Additionally, premiums keep rising because healthcare costs keep rising. Healthcare costs keep rising because of a variety of factors - better medicine, better tests, doctors getting sued because someone got a hang nail, their malpractice insurance is rising and the costs get passed to us, uninsured people get sick and cant be refused care, not only illegals but a LOT of people go to the ER for non-emergency situations - a lot of different things affect why doctors charge more, and therefore your premiums go up.
Yes.

These are two of the issues that, if they were addressed, I feel would significanly lower health insurance costs.

I've said it a dozen times on this board before: time for some substantive tort reform. You won't get it, though, because most legislators are lawyers, and they look out for their own, but caps on damages for malpractice suits would be a boon. And I say that AS a lawyer. A huge reason why you're getting ***** in the ass by your insurance is because they're getting huge bills from doctors, who have to charge that much to cover their own asses from malpractice suits.
 

MrAbovePar

En Taro Anthony
Mar 14, 2005
13,775
3,168
678
Covington. La
#25
A lot of people don't understand that malpractice does not mean "bad shit happened to you". It means the doctor acted in an unprofessional manner which resulted in poor care. Meaning if he told you something critical to your care that was incorrect, made a diagnosis that was flagrantly wrong, or practiced medicine in a field he was not qualified for...amoung other things.

Now you get messed up, you demand a jury trial, then cry and demand "something" to make up for the suffering.