Hobby Lobby standing up against Obamacare tyranny, refusing to follow court orders

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Hobby Lobby Fights The Good Fight Against Obamacare Tyranny

Welcome to Obamaland where our inalienable rights are being gradually degraded. Now that President Obama needs never to curry electoral favor again will government’s grasping overreach soon strangle a successful arts-and-crafts company?

“We’re just going to have to cross that bridge when we come to it,” says attorney Kyle Duncan of the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty. Mr. Duncan represents Hobby Lobby, a family-owned retail chain risking severe penalties for putting principles before profits. Limited self-government descends into tyranny.

Hobby Lobby faces looming fines of up to $1.3 million per day for refusing to abide a spurious provision of the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare. Hobby Lobby’s owners object to being forced to finance certain drugs, Plan B and Ella (or the “morning-after” and “week-after” pills), which the FDA notes can terminate pregnancy after conception “by preventing attachment (implantation) to the womb (uterus).”

Mr. Duncan clarified, “The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees. To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.” A request for an emergency injunction filtered to the Supreme Court while appeals pended. Justice Sonia Sotomayor blocked the motion. Hobby Lobby’s owners must violate conscience or incur Washington’s wrath while the matter matriculates through the courts.

Over forty legal challenges have contested the contraception mandate. Churches have largely been exempted, but faith-based hospitals and universities face similar predicaments. Simply requiring co-pays on birth control hazards bureaucratic vengeance. Most federal courts have granted more leniency than the 10th Circuit which rebuffed Hobby Lobby. Other plaintiffs, including several similarly situated profit seeking corporations, have prevailed. Ultimately the Supreme Court must decide.

Until then, the company’s plight proves a cause célèbre for conservatives. Hobby Lobby epitomizes the American Dream, a rags-to-riches tale where David Green borrowed $600 to begin business in his garage. En route, Mr. Green amassed plentiful green ascending to rank 79th on Forbes list of wealthiest Americans. In an uplifting Forbes profile Green quickly conceded, “Look, this is yours, God.” A standard he’s embodied by donating an estimated half billion dollars to Christian charities.

The company’s success stems from treating customers and employees well, traits the Green’s attribute to their biblical beliefs. Hobby Lobby operates a free medical clinic for eligible employees and pays generously. David Green, founder and CEO, observed in an open letter circling the internet, “We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.”

Green continued, “The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law.” He vows to live his Christian convictions “come what may.” Will Washington smother dissent by bankrupting a thriving business, thus thrusting twenty-some thousand employees into the street? It’s up to the Department of Health and Human Services where unelected bureaucrats wield far more clout than anyone contemplated at Obamacare’s inception.

The White House has not intervened. Despite thousands of Obamacare waivers flowing per political calculus, principled resistance apparently warrants little respite. Hobby Lobby must bend to bureaucratic whim or the company may be compelled to pony over steep penalties.
Christians are often pilloried for imposing private morality on the public. Yet, this fiasco reveals the absurdity of the so-called “war on women.” Mr. Green seeks neither to outlaw contraception nor to prevent his workers from using birth control. Hobby Lobby’s health plans already cover contraceptives.

Moreover, the “preventive medicine” in question remains widely, and cheaply, accessible elsewhere.
What pills employers furnish ought to be settled privately between management and labor. Instead, the public, or more precisely President Obama’s henchmen, foist mandated immorality on private businesses. “Hobby Lobby is a for-profit, secular employer,” chastises the administration “and a secular entity by definition does not exercise religion.” Thus has the Christian walk been narrowed via royal decree.
Submit or pay.

This isn’t about abortion; that’s another argument. Mr. Green merely wishes Washington wouldn’t corner him into defying his faith. But the Obama regime thinks recalcitrant businesses should be taxed into oblivion; an inverted tithe coercing the faithful into funding others’ infidelity. Perhaps this fulfills Obama’s campaign pledge to “punish our enemies.”

The HHS edict highlights a telling pattern. In Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC, Obama’s Justice Department battled to restrict a Christian school’s right to consider doctrinal purity in employment decisions. Team Obama relegates free exercise of religion into measly freedom of worship. Go to church as you please, but in public, keep quiet. The Bible mustn’t illuminate your moral compass anywhere its teachings violate his Utopian vision.

President Obama regularly abuses his bully pulpit, but Hobby Lobby’s ordeal hardly resembles the dubious lawsuits Washington wins through intimidation. Many companies have made conscious business choices to kowtow in dread of the PR nightmare Democrats hang over them like the Sword of Damocles. Think Chrysler and its secured creditors. But Mr. Green seemingly relishes a chance to demonstrate resolve under persecution.
He won’t cave over money.

“Hobby Lobby Appreciation Day” failed to spark the vast support Chick-fil-A attracted last summer. Like frogs boiling in water, many Americans have grown complacent. Others tire of an unremitting culture war and the Left’s relentless assault on liberty. But should Washington punish the Green’s for their creed the populist backlash could be enormous.

Hobby Lobby’s case cuts to the quick of government’s proper scope. Mr. Green represents an increasingly marginalized evangelical community, easy pickings for the secular stewards of popular culture, but Americans of every stripe should stand in solidarity. Benjamin Franklin warned of an earlier trial, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

Beyond Mr. Green’s legendary philanthropy, his legacy might be burnished further for spurring an awakening. His resolve proves a powerful testimony edifying the faithful and an inflection point to rally freedom lovers.

Fight the good fight Mr. Green.
Good for them, its their company they shouldn't have to provide anything they don't want to, if people don't like it they can quit.
 

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So now, your latest thing is to quote a big ass story, and dump a 1 sentence plop at the end. That about right?

The fuck happened to you. You lost your passion for being a human version of chicken little.
 

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You're right, because scientifically speaking, that thing with arms and legs and a brain and heartbeat is just a clump of cells. SCIENCE!!!


(Yes, I know that doesn't apply in this case, but still - "because Jesus" is about as generalizing and wrong as what I said)
 

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Obama: Hobby Lobby can Slobby my Nobby.
 

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You're right, because scientifically speaking, that thing with arms and legs and a brain and heartbeat is just a clump of cells. SCIENCE!!!


(Yes, I know that doesn't apply in this case, but still - "because Jesus" is about as generalizing and wrong as what I said)
Why bother? Violating the First Amendment rights of Christians is fine with these assholes.
 

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Why bother? Violating the First Amendment rights of Christians is fine with these assholes.
I don't know what that has to do with the price of young boys in the Vatican. This is not a 1st issue. As much as I hate Obamacare, denying basic medical needs based on their fantasies is bullshit.
 

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I don't know what that has to do with the price of young boys in the Vatican. This is not a 1st issue. As much as I hate Obamacare, denying basic medical needs based on their fantasies is bullshit.
It's still real to them, dammit!
 

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I don't know what that has to do with the price of young boys in the Vatican. This is not a 1st issue. As much as I hate Obamacare, denying basic medical needs based on their fantasies is bullshit.
Always forget that free practice clause, don't ya? They have every right to their "delusions", just like you have every right to yours. Someone else paying for your Plan B pill isn't "basic medical needs".
 

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Always forget that free practice clause, don't ya? They have every right to their "delusions", just like you have every right to yours.
Then they should take their delusions to a field that doesn't effect other people.

In my religion I believe all medical practices are okay...except blood transfusions. But I still have the right to be a paramedic because of that free practice clause, right?

Your right to free practice ends when you start denying basic care. You don't want to give out morning after pills? Become a fucking banker. It's basic medical care, shitdicks.

Not to mention these ignorant fucks can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that the morning after pill is not an abortion.
 

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A store that sells scrapbooking supplies is in the medical business? You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
 

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A store that sells scrapbooking supplies is in the medical business? You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Hobby Lobby operates a free medical clinic for eligible employees
They got themselves into the medical business.
 

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They got themselves into the medical business.
It's not their main business. If the employee wants a Plan B pill, all she needs to do is go elsewhere. This idea of forcing people to do something just because you disagree with their religious beliefs is dangerous.
 

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It's not their main business. If the employee wants a Plan B pill, all she needs to do is go elsewhere. This idea of forcing people to do something just because you disagree with their religious beliefs is dangerous.
Letting people who have religious beliefs that forbid medical practices be in charge of medical decisions is more dangerous.
 

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Letting people who have religious beliefs that forbid medical practices be in charge of medical decisions is more dangerous.
Again, you're not getting the point. No one is forcing these people to go to this clinic. It's not the same as calling the paramedic. It's a benefit provided by an employer.

Your employer gives you benefits. They choose those benefits based on various criteria. Cost, how desirable the benefit would be to employees, does the benefit fit their business model or ethics, etc. If your benefits don't include a company car, should they be forced to give you one? You sure could have used a free car recently. No, you went and got one on your own.

Plan B pills are the same thing. They're readily available, cheap, AND THEY'RE NOT BASIC CARE. Just go to fucking Wal-Mart and buy the damn thing. Stop demanding that someone else take responsibility for your fuck ups. (Not yours, obviously. The slut demanding free pills. If there even is one.)

You can't just support erosion of rights when the victims are someone you disagree with on religious matters. Once you do that, you open yourself up for even worse treatment. And there are a hell of a lot more of them than there are of you.
 

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I don't care if its vitamin C, government should stay out of our lives. If someone got into the white house and said no more abortion pills, you would all cry and run to the 1st for protection.
 

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I don't care if its vitamin C, government should stay out of our lives. If someone got into the white house and said no more abortion pills, you would all cry and run to the 1st for protection.
Wha? The right to free government abortion cheese pills is protected by the 1st Amendment?

I'd run to that argument? Would I? Would I really?
 

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Wha? The right to free government abortion cheese pills is protected by the 1st Amendment?

I'd run to that argument? Would I? Would I really?
That's exactly what's going on here, except the government isn't paying. They're just forcing a private party to pay.
 

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Letting people who have religious beliefs that forbid medical practices be in charge of medical decisions is more dangerous.
Don is right here... it's not about forbidding anything... it's about making somebody(an employer) pay for it. If any sort of procedure or medication is even the least bit controversial to the because jeebusers or the tinfoil hatters... fuck it... don't mandate it. It's always ever piddling bullshit that's not even worth the hassle of trying to talk sense into the senseless.

Like Don said... just go to White Trash Mart and buy a year's supply of Burden-B-Gone for like 8 bucks. Problem solved.
 

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Hell, just ask the baby daddy to pony up the money. He should be happy to avoid 18 years of child support. Anything to avoid forcing employers to do even more than they already are being forced to.

Enough of the free shit mentality.
 

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That's exactly what's going on here, except the government isn't paying. They're just forcing a private party to pay.
Yes... I understand that. I'm curious as to how a body would go about justifying the right to employer-subsidized abortion pills using a 1st Amendment argument. How the fuck would that even work? Flushing a blood clot falls under free speech how?
 

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Hell, just ask the baby daddy to pony up the money. He should be happy to avoid 18 years of child support. Anything to avoid forcing employers to do even more than they already are being forced to.

Enough of the free shit mentality.
Shit... Planned Parenthood(God bless 'em) throws them around like jelly beans. You don't even need D' Shawn Smoochie-Wallace to pay for it.
 

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Yes... I understand that. I'm curious as to how a body would go about justifying the right to employer-subsidized abortion pills using a 1st Amendment argument. How the fuck would that even work? Flushing a blood clot falls under free speech how?
They don't give a fuck about the First Amendment. Especially the free practice clause. If this employer gets off the hook, it sets up a lot more companies to challenge the mandate.

It has nothing to do with free speech. It's free practice. You know, the part that protects your right to be a heathen.
 

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A store that sells scrapbooking supplies is in the medical business? You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
As soon as they offer a health care benefit, yes - they are in the medical business. Their only legal option might be to drop coverage for all employees, which is of course what Obama really wants.