Holder gives Florida orders on illegal non-citizen voting, Florida Says Back off Jack

KRSOne

Registered User
#1
What kind of threat will the feds give to Florida? When Texas tried to kick the TSA out, the feds threatened to declare war on Texas and shut down all air travel. Sadly, Texas backed down and continued to allow illegal searches.

The Department of Justice thinks it can “order” Florida to stop removing illegal non-citizens from her voter registration rolls. The Sunshine State announced it will ignore the “order.” Let’s see Barack Obama and Eric Holder back it up.

The fight over States’ rights versus the strength of an all powerful central government has been set in motion; the fuse is lit.

Since Barack Obama and his Chicago thugs forced, bribed, and tricked Obamacare into “law”, real America has been on a collision course with him. This latest attack on our freedoms will likely only be settled by a courtroom showdown centering on whether the 10th Amendment to our Constitution has any meaning.

This powerful, 28-word Amendment is the enduring gift James Madison left us to balance the voracious appetite for power he recognized central governments always have. It says: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” It is a clear and potent weapon for justice against Obama’s fraudulent charge.

By bringing its attack on Florida, the Department of Justice (DoJ) is virtually acknowledging the Democrat Party’s reliance on voter fraud to win close elections. DoJ statements on the matter acknowledge it centers on noncitizen “voting rights.”
So far, Florida has removed 2,700 noncitizens from her voter rolls and reportedly has another 182,000 on her “must purge” list.

The Obama Administration is using a section of the 1965 Voting Rights Act (1965 VRA) to single out five counties in Florida for scrutiny over their voter registration procedures. DoJ wants to scare unenthusiastic minorities into voting by erecting a straw man for their hero Barack Obama to “defeat.”
Given the era in which the 1965VRA was passed, it unsurprisingly went into law without a 10th Amendment challenge, but one will be coming shortly.

The 10th Amendment makes it clear that since maintenance of accurate voter registration rolls is a state matter, the DoJ in any court action will have to argue A) it has the power to maintain these rolls; B) the manner in which Florida is conducting her purge of noncitizens voters violates these noncitizens’ rights to vote because almost all are black, hispanic, and Democrats; or the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution is unconstitutional.

Eric Holder and Barack Obama have made America sick. The 10th Amendment is powerful medicine that can quickly cure our nation. Let’s see if Holder wants to argue the Constitutionality of the 10th Amendment.
 

whiskeyguy

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#2
Kirk, how about an article describing the situation in detail, which can then be followed by a vague editorial? I know this guy is pissed about the federal government infringing on states' rights over something regarding voter registration... and that's about it.
 

KRSOne

Registered User
#4
Kirk, how about an article describing the situation in detail, which can then be followed by a vague editorial? I know this guy is pissed about the federal government infringing on states' rights over something regarding voter registration... and that's about it.
How hard is it to understand? Its in the first sentence. Florida is purging their registration rolls of illegal citizen voters and Holder is saying they can't do that because the administration believes illegals will vote Obama. I don't know how true that is, these illegals ran from a country with big government that ruined everything so why would they vote for more of what ruined their country? But then again Californians move from a state they ruined and continue to vote for the same people in their new state.
 

whiskeyguy

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#5
How hard is it to understand? Its in the first sentence. Florida is purging their registration rolls of illegal citizen voters and Holder is saying they can't do that because the administration believes illegals will vote Obama. I don't know how true that is, these illegals ran from a country with big government that ruined everything so why would they vote for more of what ruined their country? But then again Californians move from a state they ruined and continue to vote for the same people in their new state.
Gov. Rick Scott’s administration is positioning itself for a showdown with the U.S. Department of Justice for demanding that Florida cease searching for and purging noncitizen voters.

The DOJ gave Florida until Wednesday to respond to a letter, sent last week, that said the purge probably ran afoul of two federal voting laws.

Florida will respond, but it probably won’t quit its effort and will likely ask the DOJ to clarify its interpretation of the federal laws it cited.

“Our letter will address the issues raised by DOJ while emphasizing the importance of having accurate voter rolls,” said Chris Cate, spokesman for Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who’s in charge of the state’s elections division.

Cate would neither confirm nor deny what was in the state’s response, but he acknowledged that the state disagrees with the federal government and doesn’t plan to throw in the towel. “We know we’ve been acting responsibly,” he said.

If Scott’s administration stares down the DOJ, it will only heighten the partisan feud over the voter rolls in the nation’s largest swing state.

Liberals will protest at what they call “voter suppression” because so many of the targeted potential noncitizens — 87 percent — are minorities. Conservatives will cheer a Republican who opposes what they see as one of the most-politicized agencies under President Barack Obama, DOJ’s voting section. Some want Scott to force the DOJ to sue. A DOJ spokesman refused comment.

If the state pushes ahead, its defiance or resistance might be more symbolic than actual.

The attempted purge has been put on hold in nearly all 67 counties after the DOJ demanded the effort cease. Also, the state-produced list of nearly 2,700 suspected noncitizen voters was generated with some outdated data, targeing hundreds of actual citizens who are lawful voters. So far, no one has been purged who has not admitted that he or she is a noncitizen.

Without the counties, the purge effort can’t go on because the 67 independently elected supervisors are in charge of voter rolls in each of their counties. The state is, in one sense, just the custodian of all those records.

Regardless of who does the actual purging, the federal government wants it to stop, according to the Thursday demand letter from T. Christian Herren Jr., the Justice Department’s lead civil rights voting lawyer.

He said the state effort appears to violate the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which affects at least five Florida counties, and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, which obligates states to remove ineligible voters from rolls.

Known as Motor Voter, the registration act also lays out specific purge rules and this requirement: “A State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.”

Herren pointed out that, under the law, the state had to stop May 16 due to the Aug. 14 primary.

Republican lawyers in Florida’s Capitol are wrestling with that 90-day prohibition and the definition of “systematically.” Some argue that, since the state is not actually removing people from the rolls — the counties would be — it might be able to continue checking voter-registration data with limited citizenship data contained in a state motor-vehicle database. Also, the state could argue it has already completed its checks, before the 90-day window, and now it’s leaving it up to the counties.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/05/2834587/gov-rick-scott-looks-ready-to.html

There, some actual information on the situation.
 

Motor Head

HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL
#7
The mere fact that illegal aliens are being allowed to vote has me really scratching my head. What the fuck?? If I tried to vote in a Canadian or Mexican election I would be escorted out of the polling place. In Canada, nicely. In Mexico, cuffs.
 

MayrMeninoCrash

Liberal Psycopath
#8
No one was worried about illegal aliens on the rolls in 2000.
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#9
How hard is it to understand? Its in the first sentence. Florida is purging their registration rolls of illegal citizen voters and Holder is saying they can't do that because the administration believes illegals will vote Obama. I don't know how true that is, these illegals ran from a country with big government that ruined everything so why would they vote for more of what ruined their country? But then again Californians move from a state they ruined and continue to vote for the same people in their new state.
 

VMS

Victim of high standards and low personal skills.
#10
"So far, no one has been purged who has not admitted that he or she is a noncitizen."

HOW THE FUCK DID THIS GET WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO MAKES A LIVING WRITING AND GET PAST A MOTHER-R@PING COCKSUCKER OF AN EDITOR????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, I'm being a fucking grammar Nazi. But FUCK this is pathetic. A TRIPLE negative?????

How about this: "Thus far, no avowed citizens have been purged from the rolls"?

Fucking pathetic reporters.
 

kidconnor

55gallon hog
#11
Explain for my retardedness and need to keep things simple.

Once an illegal person erroneously gets on the voter list the state, whose list they are illegally on, can't remove them unless its more than 90 days before an election.

So just let the person, not allowed to vote, vote anyway? Which does kind of prevent the state from just striking any voter they want off the list right before the election.. but still....


Shit is broken...


But hey a letter is a letter. They can be scary.
 

Hoffman

Guess who's back? Hoffman's back
#12
Funny; someone posts a MORE detailed story and Kirk up and vanishes. Its like we've never seen that happen before...
 

Lord Zero

Viciously Silly
#13
When Texas tried to kick the TSA out, the feds threatened to declare war on Texas
What a terrifying threat that must have been. No one wants the TSA Army -- which is made up of 90% fat, sassy, black bitches -- bearing down on them (breaking every floorboard in the process).
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#14
Rick Scott gives order to purge voter rolls, Republican election official says back off Jack. :icon_cool

GOP Election Supervisor Rebukes Gov. Scott, Refuses To Continue Voter Purge

By Josh Israel on Jun 7, 2012 at 11:14 am


Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections Deborah Clark (R)

Though Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL)’s administration has now said it will not follow the Department of Justice’s order to end its voter roll purge, a Republican county elections supervisor’s spokeswoman told the Daily Caller she will not resume the purge effort.

Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections Deborah Clark (R) released a statement last Friday saying that her office would not continue the purge:

The accuracy of the voter registration database is of the utmost importance and we will continue our efforts to ensure the information is current. However, we will not use unreliable data.

When asked whether the Scott administration’s decision to defy the Department of Justice order changed anything, Clark spokeswoman Nancy Whitlock told the DC “No. Ms. Clark’s position remains as stated [on Friday].”

Pinellas County had initially purged 14 voters who the state suspected might not be citizens, but reinstated them when it became clear that Scott administration’s list of “sure-fire non-citizens” was riddled with a gigantic number of errors and the DOJ announced that the purge violated both the Voting Rights Act and the National Voter Registration Act.

Whitlock noted that Clark and other Florida elections supervisors had questioned “not only the accuracy of the information, but also the timing after learning that the state had the list of voters more than a year prior to distributing it.”

http://www.dailycaller.com/voting/201...e-voter-purge/
 

NuttyJim

Registered User
#15
Fuck scumbags, the entire lot of them.

Oh well, plenty of good votes left in the graveyards!
 

The Godfather

Spark it up for The Godfather and say!!!!!
#16
Why shouldn't undocumented (hard)workers be allowed to vote!? They live here and are apart of our society.
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#18
*Update*

AP NewsBreak: Feds OK Fla. access to citizens list

By CHARLES BABINGTON | Associated Press – 49 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a victory for Republicans, the federal government has agreed to let Florida use a law enforcement database to challenge people's right to vote if they are suspected of not being U.S. citizens.

The agreement, made in a letter to Florida Gov. Rick Scott's administration that was obtained by The Associated Press, grants the state access to a list of resident noncitizens maintained by the Department of Homeland Security. The Obama administration had denied Florida's request for months, but relented after a judge ruled in the state's favor in a related voter-purge matter.

Voting rights groups, while acknowledging that noncitizens have no right to vote, have expressed alarm about using such data for a purpose not originally intended: purging voter lists of ineligible people. They say voter purges less than four months before a presidential election might leave insufficient time to correct mistakes stemming from faulty data or other problems.

Democrats say that the government's concession is less troubling than some GOP-controlled states' push to require voters to show photo identification.

But Republicans count it as a victory nonetheless in their broad-based fight over voter eligibility, an issue that could play a big role in the White House race. That's especially true in pivotal states such as Florida, Colorado, Nevada and North Carolina.

Republican officials in several states say they are trying to combat voter fraud. Democrats, however, note that proven cases of voter fraud are rare. They accuse Republicans of cynical efforts to suppress voting by people in lower socio-economic groups who tend to vote Democratic.

Colorado and other states have asked for similar access to the federal database being granted to Florida.

After a judge recently ruled against federal efforts to stop Florida's aggressive voter-list review, the Homeland Security Department this past week agreed to work on details for how the state can access the federal SAVE database — Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements — to challenge registered voters suspected of being noncitizens.

Florida has agreed that it can challenge voters only if the state provides a "unique identifier," such as an "alien number," for each person in question. Alien numbers generally are assigned to foreigners living in the country legally, often with visas or other permits such as green cards.

Unless they become naturalized citizens, however, these people cannot vote.

The agreement will prevent Florida from using only a name and birthdate to seek federal data about a suspected noncitizen on voter rolls. It's unlikely to catch illegal immigrants who might have managed to register to vote because such people typically would not have an alien number.

Scott, whose administration had sued Homeland Security for access to the SAVE list, said the agreement "marks a significant victory for Florida and for the integrity of our election system."

"Access to the SAVE database will ensure that noncitizens do not vote in future Florida elections," Scott said in a statement Saturday.

In a letter Monday, the department told Florida it was ready to work out details for providing access to the SAVE list. The letter was signed by Alejandro N. Mayorkas, director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

It follows a flurry of legal actions between Florida and the federal government. On June 11, the Justice Department said it would sue Scott's administration on grounds that the state's voter-purge efforts violated voting rights laws.

The same day, Scott announced a lawsuit against Homeland Security seeking access to the SAVE list. He said it could be a valuable tool in determining who is a citizen. Two weeks later, a U.S. judge blocked the federal efforts to stop Florida's voter review efforts; the Mayorkas letter soon followed.

A Homeland Security spokesman said Saturday the agency had no further comment.

Department officials told the Orlando Sentinel last month they had concerns about using the SAVE list for voter-review purposes. They said the list's information is incomplete and does not provide comprehensive data on all eligible voters, the newspaper reported.

Scott's administration hopes to restart a suspended voter registration purge that was hampered this year by faulty data and bad publicity. The review, based largely on driver's license information, turned up 2,625 suspected noncitizens registered to vote.

But some were in fact citizens. An examination by the Tampa Bay Times found "just a handful" that had actually voted illegally. Florida officials said access to the federal data will allow a more reliable review of voter rolls.

While some noncitizens who are legal residents may knowingly try to register and vote, others apparently do so unwittingly. After obtaining a driver's license, some assume they also can vote, officials say.

Access to the federal SAVE list may catch such ineligible voters in Florida. They presumably would have an alien number and be listed in state motor vehicle records.

Voter-rights groups expressed concerns about Florida's efforts.

"No matter what database Florida has access to, purging voters from the rolls using faulty criteria on the eve of an election could prevent thousands of eligible voters from exercising their rights," said Jonathan Brater, a lawyer with the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. "Florida must use a more transparent and accurate process, and must leave enough time for voters targeted for removal to be notified and correct errors," he said.

Some state governments have sought access to the federal database for years. Federal officials told Washington state in 2005 they saw no way to compare voters and the Homeland Security information.

Colorado has sought the federal data for a year. Colorado, which has a Democratic governor but a Republican secretary of state, Scott Gessler, has identified about 5,000 registered voters that it wants to check against the federal information.

Officials in the politically competitive states of Ohio, Michigan, New Mexico and Iowa — all led by GOP governors — are backing his efforts.

Gessler said 430 registered voters have acknowledged being ineligible, but an "unenforceable honor system does not build confidence in our elections."

Gessler also is seeking information from jails in 10 of the state's largest counties for persons held on "immigration detainers" since 2010, the Denver Post reported.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-newsbreak-feds-ok-fla-access-citizens-list-165524187.html?_esi=1
 

whiskeyguy

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#19
In a victory for Republicans, the federal government has agreed to let Florida use a law enforcement database to challenge people's right to vote if they are suspected of not being U.S. citizens.
In other news, the federal government will no longer be updating the database...
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#20
In other news, the federal government will no longer be updating the database...
It's not even that. The state will have to prove that the Juan Gonzalez that is illegally trying to vote is not the Juan Gonzalez that is a naturalized citizen.

Florida has agreed that it can challenge voters only if the state provides a "unique identifier," such as an "alien number," for each person in question.
 

whiskeyguy

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#21
It's not even that. The state will have to prove that the Juan Gonzalez that is illegally trying to vote is not the Juan Gonzalez that is a naturalized citizen.
I can agree with that. You should try to stop fraud, but not at the cost of denying someone their legitimate rights.
 

Norm Stansfield

私は亀が好きだ。
#22
Known as Motor Voter, the registration act also lays out specific purge rules and this requirement: “A State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.”
 
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