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House approves line-item veto for president

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Party Rooster, Feb 11, 2012.

  1. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Sounds like they're really planning on winning in November, I can't believe they'd hand this much power to Obama.
     
  2. Don the Radio Guy

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    It's unconstitutional whether they win or lose in November.
     
  3. Lord Zero

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    Interesting.
     
  4. Your_Moms_Box

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    It isn't because after the line-item vetoes the bill goes back to them for re-approval.
     
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    It's just house Republicans pissing on the Constitution they claim to love. It's laughable when I hear conservatives talking about how much we love the Constitution. Fuck all these traitors to the Country.
     
  6. Don the Radio Guy

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    That end around doesn't make it any more acceptable. Congress is supposed to make a bill and send it to the president, who either signs or vetoes it in its entirety. The Constitution is quite clear about that. The funny thing is, I'm almost positive an amendment to give the line item veto would succeed. They're just too lazy to try.
     
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    Weird. Apparently when Clinton got the line item veto in 1996, the law was proposed and backed by Bob Dole and John McCain.... What is it with republicans giving democratic presidents line item veto?
     
  8. Party Rooster

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    Republicans just like destroying the Constitution. I wish I could paint...:icon_cool
     
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    lol. Seriously, though - line item veto is just bad, period.
     
  10. Party Rooster

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    I think they think, like in 1996, they have a good chance of getting an incumbent Democrat out of the White House. They know they couldn't have even brought it up when Bush was president since it really doesn't have any Democrat support in the first place.

    I do like the idea of it. Most state governments have some sort of line item veto to balance their budgets.
     
  11. Norm Stansfield

    Norm Stansfield 私は亀が好きだ。

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    Why? It doesn't afford any new spending power to the President. It gives him the power to take away some of the spending power from lawmakers who cut backroom deals or add earmarks for their projects.

    It's a limit on government. It's not much, because as long as you have a President like Obama in office he's not going to cut anything significant, but it is something. And who knows, maybe someone better will eventually end up in the White House.
     
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    Don't measure its merits by what it could do, but by what it would do.
     
  13. Norm Stansfield

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    Why? It doesn't afford any new spending power to the President. It gives him the power to take away some of the spending power from lawmakers who cut backroom deals or add earmarks for their projects.

    It's a limit on government. It's not much, because as long as you have a President like Obama in office he's not going to cut anything significant, but it is something. And who knows, maybe someone better will eventually end up in the White House.
     
  14. Your_Moms_Box

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    Why not cut out the entire need for a "line item veto" by instead just passing a law making earmarks illegal?

    Maybe make it so that if someone wants $2 million for a road that just happens to go through 100 acres of swampland they own that they have to propose it in its own bill?
     
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    That would require a Congress that's okay with taking money out of their own pockets.
     
  16. Don the Radio Guy

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    Earmarks are only a very small part of the problem, but they could easily do that if they wanted to. They don't want to. None of them.
     
  17. Glenn Dandy

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    heavy convo... I won't post obvious .
     
  18. Norm Stansfield

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    Because earmarks are not the only way for a member of Congress to waste money on a pet project. But of course, that would also be a great move.

    However, instead of those, a better solution would be to amend the Constitution with Article 1, Sections 7(2), 8(1), 8(3), and 9(20) of the Constitution of the Confederate States of America. That would pretty much fix Washington.
     
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    Somehow I dont trust anyone to do the right thing so what you say is a pipe dream but one we wouldnt all mind having
     
  20. Norm Stansfield

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    People do what they think is the right thing all the time. The problem is not that politicians aren't doing the right thing, it's that almost everyone in this country thinks that welfare and big government is the right thing to do.

    If more than half the people in this country would agree with changes to the Constitution that would limit government to its proper functions, it would be done in less than a decade.
     
  21. MayrMeninoCrash

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    We can't even agree on an American Idol winner, so good luck with that!
     
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