How Has Obamacare Affected You?

Madness

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You're going to see a bunch of people screaming that they won't be covered for diabetes anymore but the joke there is I work with a type 1 diabetic and Obamacare already stopped covering insulin this year for him.
 

Begbie

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I'm actually expecting the more liberal outlets to list everyone by name who lost coverage.

But I've said it before, and I'll reiterate. More people in the long run will die because of Obamacare. Due to the crippling deductibles, many are going to stop going to doctors. "That strange lump on my neck?....I'll give it another month or two before I get it checked out". "That tightness and pangs in my chest?....eh, it's probably just indigestion or anxiety". My Schitzo meds refill?.....I'm kind of short this month, I'll just have to take my chances". Those coughing fits?....probably just lung fever.
Or do the more logical thing and not have insurance and pay the tax, err fine. Need surgery? Get insurance then cancel it after the surgery and followups. What are they going to do...deny you for having a pre-existing condition? LOL

I will say though...my son broke his arm and between ER visit, x-rays, casts...I think we'll end up around $6K (cue the "Oh yeah, well I broke my nose and it was double that!"). Insurance picked up most of the tab, but we get mail from them almost weekly asking how he broke his arm. We're not responding, but I suspect they keep asking in the hopes we would entertain the idea of suing someone. Like, if he fell on a neighbor's property or something.
 

domelogic

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Aetna to Completely Pull Out of ObamaCare Exchanges by 2018

Health insurance company Aetna (AET) announced Wednesday it will completely withdraw from the ObamaCare marketplace in 2018, a decision Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price perceived as a sign of continued instability in the health care sector under the Affordable Care Act.
“Aetna’s decision to completely withdraw from the ObamaCare exchanges adds to the mountain of evidence that ObamaCare has failed the American people. Repealing and replacing it with patient-centered solutions that stabilize the marketplace to bring down costs and increase choices is the only solution,” Price said late Wednesday.
The company will not offer insurance plans in Delaware or Nebraska, the remaining two states where it was slated to provide coverage under the Affordable Care Act next year.

“At this time [we] have completely exited the exchanges,” Aetna said in a statement to FOX Business.

In April Aetna said it would not participate on the state exchanges in Virginia next year and last week committed to pulling out of Iowa Opens a New Window. . In 2016 the insurer sold plans across fifteen states. It trimmed that position to just four states at the outset of 2017, citing financial losses.
“Our individual Commercial products lost nearly $700 million between 2014 and 2016, and are projected to lose more than $200 million in 2017 despite a significant reduction in membership. Those losses are the result of marketplace structural issues that have led to co-op failures and carrier exits, and subsequent risk pool deterioration,” the company said Wednesday.

Last week the House of Representatives passed a health care bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. House Speaker Paul Ryan told Fox News Tuesday he is hopeful the bill will pass the Senate within a “month or two.”
 

domelogic

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Wow I might fall over


WaPo Admits Single-Payer Health Care Would be ‘Astonishingly' expensive

The Washington Post dealt a blow to a liberal pipe dream Sunday when the outlet’s editorial board highlighted the problems with single-payer health care — arguing that it would be “astonishingly” expensive unless doctors are paid less and Americans are prepared to “accept different standards of access and comfort.”
The piece, called “Single-payer health care would have an astonishingly high price tag” comes days after California’s Senate approved a single-payer system for the state earlier this week, without having specified how it will pay for the estimated $400 billion price tag.

Single-payer health care systems, such as those seen in Europe and Canada, have always been popular with the liberal wing of American politics, with top liberal Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) calling for such systems in America. President Barack Obama also publicly supported single-payer when he was a senator.

The Post editorial is certainly sympathetic to those aspirations, arguing that such models are simpler for patients and employers. However, it says “the government’s price tag would be astonishing.”

When Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) proposed a “Medicare for all” health plan in his presidential campaign, the nonpartisan Urban Institute figured that it would raise government spending by $32 trillion over 10 years, requiring a tax increase so huge that even the democratic socialist Mr. Sanders did not propose anything close to it.

Countering the argument of single-payer advocates that government-run systems tend to be more cost-efficient than the American system, the Post says the reason for that is political, blaming Republicans for framing ObamaCare’s Medicare cuts as attacks on the program instead of reform.

The Post argues that a single-payer system would face the same political barriers and that consequently, the only way to make such a plan affordable would be to get medical employees to be paid less, and to get Americans to accept lower quality of care:

A single-payer health-care system would face all of these political barriers to cost-saving reform and more. To realize the single-payer dream of coverage for all and big savings, medical industry players, including doctors, would likely have to get paid less and patients would have to accept different standards of access and comfort. There is little evidence most Americans are willing to accept such tradeoffs.

The Post reiterates that “the goal must be universal coverage and cost restraint” but that liberals should be directing their energy to goals other than a complete government takeover of America’s healthcare system.

There are many options short of a disruptive takeover: the government can change how care is delivered, determine which treatments should be covered, control quality at hospitals, drive down drug costs and discourage high-cost health-care plans even while making the Obamacare system better at filling coverage gaps.
 

Floyd1977

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Wow I might fall over


WaPo Admits Single-Payer Health Care Would be ‘Astonishingly' expensive

The Washington Post dealt a blow to a liberal pipe dream Sunday when the outlet’s editorial board highlighted the problems with single-payer health care — arguing that it would be “astonishingly” expensive unless doctors are paid less and Americans are prepared to “accept different standards of access and comfort.”
The piece, called “Single-payer health care would have an astonishingly high price tag” comes days after California’s Senate approved a single-payer system for the state earlier this week, without having specified how it will pay for the estimated $400 billion price tag.

Single-payer health care systems, such as those seen in Europe and Canada, have always been popular with the liberal wing of American politics, with top liberal Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) calling for such systems in America. President Barack Obama also publicly supported single-payer when he was a senator.

The Post editorial is certainly sympathetic to those aspirations, arguing that such models are simpler for patients and employers. However, it says “the government’s price tag would be astonishing.”

When Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) proposed a “Medicare for all” health plan in his presidential campaign, the nonpartisan Urban Institute figured that it would raise government spending by $32 trillion over 10 years, requiring a tax increase so huge that even the democratic socialist Mr. Sanders did not propose anything close to it.

Countering the argument of single-payer advocates that government-run systems tend to be more cost-efficient than the American system, the Post says the reason for that is political, blaming Republicans for framing ObamaCare’s Medicare cuts as attacks on the program instead of reform.

The Post argues that a single-payer system would face the same political barriers and that consequently, the only way to make such a plan affordable would be to get medical employees to be paid less, and to get Americans to accept lower quality of care:

A single-payer health-care system would face all of these political barriers to cost-saving reform and more. To realize the single-payer dream of coverage for all and big savings, medical industry players, including doctors, would likely have to get paid less and patients would have to accept different standards of access and comfort. There is little evidence most Americans are willing to accept such tradeoffs.

The Post reiterates that “the goal must be universal coverage and cost restraint” but that liberals should be directing their energy to goals other than a complete government takeover of America’s healthcare system.

There are many options short of a disruptive takeover: the government can change how care is delivered, determine which treatments should be covered, control quality at hospitals, drive down drug costs and discourage high-cost health-care plans even while making the Obamacare system better at filling coverage gaps.
Looks like someone at the Washington Post finally crunched the numbers and realized how expensive it would be for public healthcare funding for 350M+ people thought "Holy Shit" I'd have to give up 70% of my paycheck.
 

domelogic

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Looks like someone at the Washington Post finally crunched the numbers and realized how expensive it would be for public healthcare funding for 350M+ people thought "Holy Shit" I'd have to give up 70% of my paycheck.

Imagine docs having those ridiculous school loans and making half what docs make now. Do you really think we will get the best and brightest to go into that profession? Pay more taxes, pay less to the healthcare professionals=awesome idea. What could go wrong
 

Floyd1977

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Imagine docs having those ridiculous school loans and making half what docs make now. Do you really think we will get the best and brightest to go into that profession? Pay more taxes, pay less to the healthcare professionals=awesome idea. What could go wrong
Believe me, I know. My father is a doctor. He's a General Practitioner. So despite what libs think, although he makes a decent living, he's not "rich". I had some perks growing up, but the area of the country we live in, we were definately below median.

Anyway, I heard all my life, yes even before Obamacare, how screwed he gets. How his Malpractice insurance skyrockets almost every year despite never having a claim against him. Him telling me never to do what he does, how thankless it often is. How much better I'd be off going into Banking or Law.

I really hate how Doctors are treated in this country, A profession that is soul crushingly hard to train for (and for which the training never ends. Also decades ago the family went on a trip to DC. My father went to Georgetown for college and Med school. We all stayed in the same hotel room and on one of the nights he literally woke up screaming in the middle of the night). A profession that has one of the highest rates of alcohol (and believe you me my father can tie one on)/drug abuse and suicide. And fucking liberals thinking they should provide their services for free. And that their services are a basic human right. If that's the case, then go to your fuckimg barber and get a bleeding and a dose of eye of newt when you have a cough.
 
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lajikal

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If that's the case, then go to your fuckimg barber and get a bleeding and a dose of eye of newt when you have a cough.
Doctors are way overused. The only time they should be contacted is determine if someone is dead with that stethescope thing.

Doctor: 'Yup, he's dead'.
Family: *Tears.. crying*
 

domelogic

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Believe me, I know. My father is a doctor. He's a General Practitioner. So despite what libs think, although he makes a decent living, he's not "rich". I had some perks growing up, but the area of the country we live in, we were definately below median.

Anyway, I heard all my life, yes even before Obamacare, how screwed he gets. How his Malpractice insurance skyrockets almost every year despite never having a claim against him. Him telling me never to do what he does, how thankless it often is. How much better I'd be off going into Banking or Law.

I really hate how Doctors are treated in this country, A profession that is soul crushingly hard to train for (and for which the training never ends. Also decades ago the family went on a trip to DC. My father went to Georgetown for college and Med school. We all stayed in the same hotel room and on one of the nights he literally woke up screaming in the middle of the night). A profession that has one of the highest rates of alcohol (and believe you me my father can tie one on)/drug abuse and suicide. And fucking liberals thinking they should provide their services for free. And that their services are a basic human right. If that's the case, then go to your fuckimg barber and get a bleeding and a dose of eye of newt when you have a cough.

I hear you. I use to call on gynecologists. I went to those practices every two weeks. One time I showed up at an office the practice was closed due to retirement. The doc happened to be there cleaning up so I asked what gives. He said he made a promise to himself that the day his income was close to what he made in residency he would quit. Well he received a letter from his insurance company stating his malpractice had tripled to around 150k without ever having a claim(in 2004). So 30 years in practice gone in one day without reason for egregious jump in insurance.

There are very few office docs that make great money which is why hospitals in my territory own most physician practices. Dermatology is one of the few that make a great living.
 

Begbie

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I forget what commie said it, but back in 2009 when we were fed so much bullshit about Obamacare...a democratic lawmaker said that malpractice insurance reform is such a non-issue, that it's not even worth the effort to discuss it. They were more concerned with how Obamacare was going to prevent 20+ million from dying in the streets.
 

NotSoFast

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I forget what commie said it, but back in 2009 when we were fed so much bullshit about Obamacare...a democratic lawmaker said that malpractice insurance reform is such a non-issue, that it's not even worth the effort to discuss it. They were more concerned with how Obamacare was going to prevent 20+ million from dying in the streets.
If you are "in the streets" then you deserve whatever comes your way. You have failed at life and have shown a lack of ability to take care of yourself. Therefore, the public should not be saddled with your problems. Fuck off.
 

Floyd1977

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I hear you. I use to call on gynecologists. I went to those practices every two weeks. One time I showed up at an office the practice was closed due to retirement. The doc happened to be there cleaning up so I asked what gives. He said he made a promise to himself that the day his income was close to what he made in residency he would quit. Well he received a letter from his insurance company stating his malpractice had tripled to around 150k without ever having a claim(in 2004). So 30 years in practice gone in one day without reason for egregious jump in insurance.

There are very few office docs that make great money which is why hospitals in my territory own most physician practices. Dermatology is one of the few that make a great living.
I know that my wife's gyno quit doing deliveries. Too risky from a malpractice standpoint. We're going to run out of people who can perform types of procedures or the costs are going to further skyrocket. We need doctors and lawyers (general and in congress) are chasing them out of the profession and will wonder later "what the hell? What happened to all the doctors?!"

It used to be that if you wanted to be virtually guaranteed a pretty nice living you became a doctor, and nowadays it no longer seems to be a go to profession (I do think it's kind of shitty that it's the "plastic surgeon to the Stars" type docs that are raking in millions, but good work if you can get it, I suppose)
 

domelogic

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I know that my wife's gyno quit doing deliveries. Too risky from a malpractice standpoint. We're going to run out of people who can perform types of procedures or the costs are going to further skyrocket. We need doctors and lawyers (general and in congress) are chasing them out of the profession and will wonder later "what the hell? What happened to all the doctors?!"

It used to be that if you wanted to be virtually guaranteed a pretty nice living you became a doctor, and nowadays it no longer seems to be a go to profession (I do think it's kind of shitty that it's the "plastic surgeon to the Stars" type docs that are raking in millions, but good work if you can get it, I suppose)
Funny thing is he only did gyn no ob. Doing a hysterectomy was basically the most dangerous type of procedure. 150k malpractice for that.

Many of the docs I called on did obgyn to pay their bills. By the time they turn 50 most stopped doing them so they are not on the hook for most of their retirement. Scary
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Believe me, I know. My father is a doctor. He's a General Practitioner. So despite what libs think, although he makes a decent living, he's not "rich". I had some perks growing up, but the area of the country we live in, we were definately below median.

Anyway, I heard all my life, yes even before Obamacare, how screwed he gets. How his Malpractice insurance skyrockets almost every year despite never having a claim against him. Him telling me never to do what he does, how thankless it often is. How much better I'd be off going into Banking or Law.

I really hate how Doctors are treated in this country, A profession that is soul crushingly hard to train for (and for which the training never ends. Also decades ago the family went on a trip to DC. My father went to Georgetown for college and Med school. We all stayed in the same hotel room and on one of the nights he literally woke up screaming in the middle of the night). A profession that has one of the highest rates of alcohol (and believe you me my father can tie one on)/drug abuse and suicide. And fucking liberals thinking they should provide their services for free. And that their services are a basic human right. If that's the case, then go to your fuckimg barber and get a bleeding and a dose of eye of newt when you have a cough.

My wife works for a very large pharmaceutical company, and has many friends in medicine (she was going to be a doctor but law school was faster) almost every doctor she knows is in debt
 

domelogic

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This guy is great. He lies while posting on Facebook/twitter and no one in msm will say a word


Former President Barack Obama blasted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) healthcare bill on Thursday, saying “it’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America.”

“It hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else. Those with private insurance will experience higher premiums and higher deductibles, with lower tax credits to help working families cover the costs, even as their plans might no longer cover pregnancy, mental health care, or expensive prescriptions,” he wrote in a Facebook post after McConnell released the draft of the Senate’s bill that is meant to replace his signature Affordable Care Act. “Discrimination based on pre-existing conditions could become the norm again. Millions of families will lose coverage entirely.”

Obama admitted that Obamacare was “not perfect” and “if Republicans could put together a plan that is demonstrably better than the improvements we made to our health care system, that covers as many people at less cost, I would gladly and publicly support it.” But he claimed that “the legislation rushed through the House and the Senate without public hearings or debate would do the opposite. It would raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back protections, and ruin Medicaid as we know it.”

“I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party,” he wrote in a Facebook post. “Still, I hope that our Senators, many of whom I know well, step back and measure what’s really at stake, and consider that the rationale for action, on health care or any other issue, must be something more than simply undoing something that Democrats did.

Obama conceded that premiums are still rising under Obamacare but touted what he believes are Obamacare’s successes.

“Women can’t be charged more for their insurance, young adults can stay on their parents’ plan until they turn 26, contraceptive care and preventive care are now free,” he wrote. “ Paying more, or being denied insurance altogether due to a preexisting condition – we made that a thing of the past.”

Obama then declared that the GOP bill “will do you harm” if “there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family” and “small tweaks over the course of the next couple weeks, under the guise of making these bills easier to stomach, cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation.” There is the talking point

He continues:

I hope our Senators ask themselves – what will happen to the Americans grappling with opioid addiction who suddenly lose their coverage? What will happen to pregnant mothers, children with disabilities, poor adults and seniors who need long-term care once they can no longer count on Medicaid? What will happen if you have a medical emergency when insurance companies are once again allowed to exclude the benefits you need, send you unlimited bills, or set unaffordable deductibles? What impossible choices will working parents be forced to make if their child’s cancer treatment costs them more than their life savings?

To put the American people through that pain – while giving billionaires and corporations a massive tax cut in return – that’s tough to fathom. But it’s what’s at stake right now. So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need.

Obama, ever the community organizer, then asks his coalition and Americans to call their Congressmen:

If you’re willing to call your members of Congress. If you are willing to visit their offices. If you are willing to speak out, let them and the country know, in very real terms, what this means for you and your family.

Senate Democrats immediately blasted the bill for being “mean” and giving tax breaks to “millionaires.” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said “people will die” under the GOP bill and accused Republicans of using “blood money” to give the rich tax cuts.

Republicans, like Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ron Johnson (R-WI), said they could not support the bill because it did not fully repeal Obamacare. They joined with Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) to say they were not ready to vote for the bill.

President Donald Trump said that the bill needs “a little negotiation” before declaring that “Obamacare is dead.”
 

domelogic

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Remember that single payer healthcare that passed in Cali with no way to pay for it. Well it just got shelved for a while and those tolerant lefties acted accordingly. Love it when they eat their own

California Dems decry 'bullying,' death threats from the left after shelving health bill

California Democratic lawmakers are facing a brutal backlash from union activists and others on the left after shelving a universal health care bill – a debate that has grown so intense that lawmakers say they’ve faced death threats and other violent rhetoric.

Assembly Democrats publicly decried the “bullying tactics” in a written statement over the weekend, maintaining that lawmakers are committed to improving health care but need to have an “open discourse.”

“In recent days, we have become alarmed and disheartened by bullying tactics, threats of violence, and death threats by a few who disagree with the decision of Speaker Anthony Rendon to postpone the advancement of SB 562,” they said, referring to the scrapped single-payer health care bill. “While it is appropriate for persons of varying views to express concern, disapproval or disfavor about the delay, it is never acceptable to engage in those tactics.”

Rendon announced on June 23 that he was shelving legislation to set up a government-run, single-payer health care system in the state. This prompted an immediate backlash from the California Nurses Association, which had backed the $400 billion plan.

On social media, the union circulated the image of a California bear with a knife stuck in its back. On the blade was Rendon’s name. The protests and rhetoric escalated from there.

One tweet that gained attention in local media said, “I pray someone checks his schedule for baseball practice” – an apparent reference to the Rep. Steve Scalise shooting outside Washington last month.

Rendon also confirmed that he’s faced death threats over the decision to halt consideration of the bill.

“It is shameful how the proponents of SB 562 have provided false hope to people who are suffering,” he said in a statement to the Mercury News and East Bay Times.

The Mercury News quoted a spokesman for the nurses union saying “no one that we know was involved” in making threats such as the one that referenced the Scalise shooting.

But the union has remained defiant.

RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of the association, tweeted:

#Dems are telling activists trying to fight for lives that speaking up to Dems is ‘Bullying’.. ‘Shut Up & Sit Down’.. Nope #SinglePayer.”

The statement from Assembly Democrats, though, suggested that their critics on this issue are adopting tactics they once condemned.

“The political campaign of 2016 was filled with verbal attacks and even calls for violence. These are tactics that we all abhor. Let us not become the persons that we detest,” they said.

The bill in question had passed the Senate, but Rendon put a halt to it amid questions over how the plan would be paid for. He described the bill as “woefully incomplete.”

The government-run health care plan would cost $400 billion annually – supposedly paid for by a combination of repurposed state funds and new tax revenue. Under the plan, medical care would be provided for every California resident, including those without legal immigration status.

“It certainly wasn’t a bill,” Rendon told The Hill. “There was absolutely no funding attached to a $400 billion proposal, no service delivery mechanism.”

Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders, a proponent of a single-payer system, said he is “extremely disappointed” with the decision, having hoped California would lead the country toward universal health care.
 

Creasy Bear

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I know that my wife's gyno quit doing deliveries. Too risky from a malpractice standpoint. We're going to run out of people who can perform types of procedures or the costs are going to further skyrocket. We need doctors and lawyers (general and in congress) are chasing them out of the profession and will wonder later "what the hell? What happened to all the doctors?!"

It used to be that if you wanted to be virtually guaranteed a pretty nice living you became a doctor, and nowadays it no longer seems to be a go to profession (I do think it's kind of shitty that it's the "plastic surgeon to the Stars" type docs that are raking in millions, but good work if you can get it, I suppose)
My wife is an ob/gyn who makes a fucktonne of money even though she works in a corporate/hospital-owned practice.

Here's how she does it...

1. Tort reform state. When she left NY, her malpractice was $180,000/year and climbing. In Indiana, her malpratice is $40,000/year and the hospital pays it... so that right there was a $180,000/year raise just for moving to Indiana.

2. She works in a ghetto hospital and treats her patients like the cattle they are. Givesdemdat insurance reimbursement is shit, so my wife's office makes it up with volume. She runs the patients through her office like livestock, and they are seen by PAs and NPs... they are dirtbags, and therefore not worthy of a doctor's attention unless the are shitting a ghetto rat, or need surgery(cha-ching!). If they don't like it, they are more than welcome to go directly fuck themselves. My wife gives not a single, solitary shit about patient satisfaction.

3. She's the MD director of the hospital's surgery center(a salaried positioned), because she has an MBA. We also own hella many shares in the surgery center, and they pay out fat dividends every year like clockwork.

Many of these methods wouldn't fly in over-regulated and over-lawyered places like NY, Illinois, CA, etc... but they work in Indiana(for now), and that's why we're here, and that's why my wife is in the 99th percentile of earnings for Ob/Gyns in the US of Awesome.

tl/dr

Short version- my wife makes bank as a doctor because we're in the right place, at the right time, and she works smart and hard.
 

whiskeyguy

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Remember that single payer healthcare that passed in Cali with no way to pay for it. Well it just got shelved for a while and those tolerant lefties acted accordingly. Love it when they eat their own

California Dems decry 'bullying,' death threats from the left after shelving health bill

California Democratic lawmakers are facing a brutal backlash from union activists and others on the left after shelving a universal health care bill – a debate that has grown so intense that lawmakers say they’ve faced death threats and other violent rhetoric.

Assembly Democrats publicly decried the “bullying tactics” in a written statement over the weekend, maintaining that lawmakers are committed to improving health care but need to have an “open discourse.”

“In recent days, we have become alarmed and disheartened by bullying tactics, threats of violence, and death threats by a few who disagree with the decision of Speaker Anthony Rendon to postpone the advancement of SB 562,” they said, referring to the scrapped single-payer health care bill. “While it is appropriate for persons of varying views to express concern, disapproval or disfavor about the delay, it is never acceptable to engage in those tactics.”

Rendon announced on June 23 that he was shelving legislation to set up a government-run, single-payer health care system in the state. This prompted an immediate backlash from the California Nurses Association, which had backed the $400 billion plan.

On social media, the union circulated the image of a California bear with a knife stuck in its back. On the blade was Rendon’s name. The protests and rhetoric escalated from there.

One tweet that gained attention in local media said, “I pray someone checks his schedule for baseball practice” – an apparent reference to the Rep. Steve Scalise shooting outside Washington last month.

Rendon also confirmed that he’s faced death threats over the decision to halt consideration of the bill.

“It is shameful how the proponents of SB 562 have provided false hope to people who are suffering,” he said in a statement to the Mercury News and East Bay Times.

The Mercury News quoted a spokesman for the nurses union saying “no one that we know was involved” in making threats such as the one that referenced the Scalise shooting.

But the union has remained defiant.

RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of the association, tweeted:

#Dems are telling activists trying to fight for lives that speaking up to Dems is ‘Bullying’.. ‘Shut Up & Sit Down’.. Nope #SinglePayer.”

The statement from Assembly Democrats, though, suggested that their critics on this issue are adopting tactics they once condemned.

“The political campaign of 2016 was filled with verbal attacks and even calls for violence. These are tactics that we all abhor. Let us not become the persons that we detest,” they said.

The bill in question had passed the Senate, but Rendon put a halt to it amid questions over how the plan would be paid for. He described the bill as “woefully incomplete.”

The government-run health care plan would cost $400 billion annually – supposedly paid for by a combination of repurposed state funds and new tax revenue. Under the plan, medical care would be provided for every California resident, including those without legal immigration status.

“It certainly wasn’t a bill,” Rendon told The Hill. “There was absolutely no funding attached to a $400 billion proposal, no service delivery mechanism.”

Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders, a proponent of a single-payer system, said he is “extremely disappointed” with the decision, having hoped California would lead the country toward universal health care.
Democrats complaining about how illogical and violent democrats are.

This is a great time to be alive.
 

Creasy Bear

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Democrats complaining about how illogical and violent democrats are.

This is a great time to be alive.
When the historians look back, these times will be know as The Gilded Salt Age.
 

Floyd1977

Registered User
Democrats complaining about how illogical and violent democrats are.

This is a great time to be alive.


Also, we do realize that the single payer bill in CA was nothing but a symbolic gesture. I know democrats tell unicorn tales when it comes to how to pay for shit, but they do see the books. All it is is saying "We're a single payer state, we just need some (indefinite) time to figure it out". Not so much unlike that broad from Texas who wanted to fine masturbating men for "destroying life" every time the release a batch outside of a woman. It will never happen, but it's a little "statement" (also, guess someone forgot to mention to her that that bill is discriminatory to gay men).
 
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THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Anytime I hear "single payer" all I think about is if the government went to their job and said "your services and time are worth x amount, and that's it, that is all you are getting paid and not a penny more" I just laugh, because that is what insurance companies do to the body shop business, you get x ammout of money to fix x thing, and that's it take it or leave it, and if you leave it some other hack will take that money.

If doctors are going to have their incomes completely dictated by the government why become a doctor?
 

Creasy Bear

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If doctors are going to have their incomes completely dictated by the government why become a doctor?
Because being a shit-paid doctor in the US is still better than being a shit tank scooper in India, or an assembly line cyborg in China.

No matter how far down they slash doctor's wages, there will always be a Ping Xing Nob, and a Dibble Dot Dabble willing to get up in there, prod your prostate, and enrich you culturally.

It's already happening. Take a taxi to your local hospital and you'll probably notice that your doctor looks pretty much the same as the cabdriver who took you there.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Because being a shit-paid doctor in the US is still better than being a shit tank scooper in India, or an assembly line cyborg in China.

No matter how far down they slash doctor's wages, there will always be a Ping Xing Nob, and a Dibble Dot Dabble willing to get up in there, prod your prostate, and enrich you culturally.

It's already happening. Take a taxi to your local hospital and you'll probably notice that your doctor looks pretty much the same as the cabdriver who took you there.

Yep, it's horrifying to me that dibble dabble goat fucker gets a "medical degree" from the university of shit stain third world country and can come to the US and use that license.... it baffles my fucking mind, I always got a giggle out of the "medical schools" that they used to run in places like Grenada and Barbados for lunk heads that couldn't pass the US mcats, my wife has a lot of Dr. friends, except they got their degrees from places like Brown, Penn, Boston U, Harvard... but not the Dr dibble dabbles....
 
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