How much should teachers be paid?

BIV

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A Washington State court decision mandated a certain amount of the state education budget must be used for teacher wages. So, of course, there have been a shit load of strikes.


This is just one deal:






That seems....excessive to me, especially for a 9 months/year job. Am I off base here?
 

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When are we going to stop pretending teachers are heroes? Whoa, you're smarter than second graders and get summers off, what a hero.
 

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I’m always laughing at my teacher friends constantly crying about money, and not getting paid enough, while they are on their 3 month summer vacations down the shore
 

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I’m always laughing at my teacher friends constantly crying about money, and not getting paid enough, while they are on their 3 month summer vacations down the shore
Exactly, while they are still pulling home $80k/year or more in a suburban Philly district.
 

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On the day of the rope we need to consider the "teachers".
 

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I have one buddy that does work in the ghetto in west philly, but he’s making good money, the guy that gets screwed is the one that works in the Catholic school system as a special ed teacher
 

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I have one buddy that does work in the ghetto in west philly, but he’s making good money, the guy that gets screwed is the one that works in the Catholic school system as a special ed teacher
Yep. I know a guy in the Philly district who makes over $100k. Part-time teacher, coaches a couple sports, and is a guidance counselor or something.
 

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"Red For Ed"... Ugh, that was a strike/walkout/protest in Arizona last spring. It gave them 20% raise over next 3 years - but of course the prick leading the charge changed the demand and tried to get a ballot initiative for a bunch of other bullshit. It was thrown out last week. The prevailing public opinion after 3 days was "Fed Up With Red".

I think it's pretty well documented what the pay is going to be long before these younguns decide to become teachers - why they piss and moan about it after the fact - just gets zero fucks from me...
 

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Teachers do a job that I would never ever want to do. I will gladly fork over all my tax dollars to them, garbage men, and cops. They all deal with stinky piles of shit that I would rather never even look at.
 

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I just looked up my Italian teacher from high school. She just retired with a 125k
pension. This was the worst teacher in the school that never had control of her
class. Because tenure I guess
 

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Teachers do a job that I would never ever want to do. I will gladly fork over all my tax dollars to them, garbage men, and cops. They all deal with stinky piles of shit that I would rather never even look at.
That's not how compensation should be calculated. It should be calculated on value added. For decades teacher pay has gone up while student scores have stayed stagnant. Hell, if I could make the same amount of money to go kick my feet up in an air conditioned room, work probably 1,000 less hours a year, and not have to be good at my job, I might need to consider a career change.
 

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That's not how compensation should be calculated. It should be calculated on value added. For decades teacher pay has gone up while student scores have stayed stagnant. Hell, if I could make the same amount of money to go kick my feet up in an air conditioned room, work probably 1,000 less hours a year, and not have to be good at my job, I might need to consider a career change.
Clearly your teachers didn’t do shit for you if this is the uneducated answer you’re going to give. My teachers taught me to do a little research before formulating an opinion such as this.

I would actually expect this place of all places to understand the biggest underlying cause of why scores have gone down. ;)
 

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That's not how compensation should be calculated. It should be calculated on value added. For decades teacher pay has gone up while student scores have stayed stagnant. Hell, if I could make the same amount of money to go kick my feet up in an air conditioned room, work probably 1,000 less hours a year, and not have to be good at my job, I might need to consider a career change.
When i went to school there was no such thing as air conditioning. 5 mo out of the school year we had to suffer in the stifiling heat. each window only had about an 8 inch section the opened by tilting in about 8 inches and there was about 10 windows in each room which just let in blazing hot air because it blew in off the miles of damp grass that bakes in the sun and each classroom had a single 36" oscillating fan that did about dick to cool the room. Hard to learn anything when your literally sticking to your desk and dripping sweat on your notes. 3 spaces in each school had AC the library the main office and the sports trainers room and we would do whatever we could to stay in one of those rooms as long as possible
 

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The biggest problem is not being able to get rid of the shitty teachers. I am willing to pay for a good teacher but fuck the old tenured fucks that don't do fuck and are the biggest ones to bitch about pay and how hard their job is.
 

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The biggest problem is not being able to get rid of the shitty teachers. I am willing to pay for a good teacher but fuck the old tenured fucks that don't do fuck and are the biggest ones to bitch about pay and how hard their job is.
This.

The lack of accountability, and the way teachers are protected buy unions/tenure is fucking ridiculous.

I had a teacher that was a certified(not certifiable... certified) moonbat, as in she had actually been locked up in the nut hut on multiple occasions. The entire school year the woman was pilled up, glassy eyed, and slurring her words. She was an English teacher, and she couldn't even speak English, let alone teach it.

Any other profession I can imagine, even flipping burgers, the woman would've been fired within a week if she showed up in the standard zombie-like condition she was in in her classroom while she was "teaching", but, somehow, she had been a teacher for 20 years, and she had many more years left of job security.

Until they figure that nonsense out, I don't even want to hear teachers bitching about their job, and how much they get paid to do it.
 

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This.

The lack of accountability, and the way teachers are protected buy unions/tenure is fucking ridiculous.

I had a teacher that was a certified(not certifiable... certified) moonbat, as in she had actually been locked up in the nut hut on multiple occasions. The entire school year the woman was pilled up, glassy eyed, and slurring her words. She was an English teacher, and she couldn't even speak English, let alone teach it.

Any other profession I can imagine, even flipping burgers, the woman would've been fired within a week if she showed up in the standard zombie-like condition she was in in her classroom while she was "teaching", but, somehow, she had been a teacher for 20 years, and she had many more years left of job security.

Until they figure that nonsense out, I don't even want to hear teachers bitching about their job, and how much they get paid to do it.
My 9 th grade year I had a “business math” teacher, first class, he was the king of the “ditto” every class was nothing but dittos that we rarely saw the results for, but what we did see was him leaving every day second
 

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When i went to school there was no such thing as air conditioning. 5 mo out of the school year we had to suffer in the stifiling heat. each window only had about an 8 inch section the opened by tilting in about 8 inches and there was about 10 windows in each room which just let in blazing hot air because it blew in off the miles of damp grass that bakes in the sun and each classroom had a single 36" oscillating fan that did about dick to cool the room. Hard to learn anything when your literally sticking to your desk and dripping sweat on your notes. 3 spaces in each school had AC the library the main office and the sports trainers room and we would do whatever we could to stay in one of those rooms as long as possible
5 months out of the year? Where did you go to school nigga? Gabon?
 

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This.

The lack of accountability, and the way teachers are protected buy unions/tenure is fucking ridiculous.

I had a teacher that was a certified(not certifiable... certified) moonbat, as in she had actually been locked up in the nut hut on multiple occasions. The entire school year the woman was pilled up, glassy eyed, and slurring her words. She was an English teacher, and she couldn't even speak English, let alone teach it.

Any other profession I can imagine, even flipping burgers, the woman would've been fired within a week if she showed up in the standard zombie-like condition she was in in her classroom while she was "teaching", but, somehow, she had been a teacher for 20 years, and she had many more years left of job security.

Until they figure that nonsense out, I don't even want to hear teachers bitching about their job, and how much they get paid to do it.
My 9 th grade year I had a “business math” teacher, first class, he was the king of the “ditto” every class was nothing but dittos that we rarely saw the results for, but what we did see was him leaving every day seconds after the bell rang. He would always show back up around noon or so, he was also famous for falling asleep in class, the rumor was that he was a drunk
 

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My 9 th grade year I had a “business math” teacher, first class, he was the king of the “ditto” every class was nothing but dittos that we rarely saw the results for, but what we did see was him leaving every day second
My 9 th grade year I had a “business math” teacher, first class, he was the king of the “ditto” every class was nothing but dittos that we rarely saw the results for, but what we did see was him leaving every day seconds after the bell rang. He would always show back up around noon or so, he was also famous for falling asleep in class, the rumor was that he was a drunk
Can't wait for episode 3!
 

THE FEZ MAN

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5 months out of the year? Where did you go to school nigga? Gabon?
September into October, april, may and June, can have plenty of hot days in the Delaware valley. (General area stretching from NW Montgomery county to western Chester county, east to Atlantic City and south to Dover Delaware) if you ever look at a weather map you will notice a weird kind of “hump” that flows up the Delaware bay/river also known as the I95 corridor.
 

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September into October, april, may and June, can have plenty of hot days in the Delaware valley. (General area stretching from NW Montgomery county to western Chester county, east to Atlantic City and south to Dover Delaware) if you ever look at a weather map you will notice a weird kind of “hump” that flows up the Delaware bay/river also known as the I95 corridor.
Yeah, I don't believe that. Maybe two months and few days here and there.
 

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My 9 th grade year I had a “business math” teacher, first class, he was the king of the “ditto” every class was nothing but dittos that we rarely saw the results for, but what we did see was him leaving every day seconds after the bell rang. He would always show back up around noon or so, he was also famous for falling asleep in class, the rumor was that he was a drunk
I remember a social studies teacher in like 7th grade. She would put her notes on one of those overhead projector things, and then we were supposed to copy her notes, while she went out for a smoke. She'd leave for ten minutes, then come back, and put the next page of notes up for us to copy, and then leave for another smoke. That was the entire class. She did that for like 2 or 3 days out of every week. It was notes-copying class.

Yes, she could've just made copies of the notes and handed them out, but that would've cut into her smoke break time.

Oh, and she was a fatty fat butterball of a woman who was all of about 4'10", and she used to brag about how she had a black belt in kah-rah-tay.

That's when I figured out that karate was bullshit.