How much should teachers be paid?

Pigdango

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#76
2/3 as much as everyone else becuase they work 2/3 as much as everyone else.

Yeah yeah...its "hard work." Every decent job is "hard work." You get a solid three months off a year and you work 6-7 odd hours a day. Fuck off.
A teacher has to have a master’s degree. Average annual salary in the USA is $78,000 for people with a Master’s degree. Average annual salary for teachers is $58,950, or about 3/4 as much as everyone else.

Also, teachers don’t work 2/3 of what everyone else works, they work 4/5. They work 190 days, while most full time people work 230 days. So technically, teachers are underpaid.
 

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#78
I remember when @oldmandick tried to tell us that teachers routinely work 70-hour weeks.

That was a knee slapper.
How's about a good ass slammin' instead?

The good ones work their asses off making sure that your slack-jawed spawn doesn't fuck everything up for the rest of us.

[a good shit is best, but a hot flame is close]
 

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How's about a good ass slammin' instead?

The good ones work their asses off making sure that your slack-jawed spawn doesn't fuck everything up for the rest of us.

[a good shit is best, but a hot flame is close]
Any teacher that works their ass off is a dumbass.

One of the main reasons to become a teacher is so you don't have to work your ass off.

It's a moot point, because no teacher is working their ass off, they might mistakenly think they are, but that's only because they never had a real job in the rat race world, so they have no idea what hard work even looks like.
 

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A teacher has to have a master’s degree. Average annual salary in the USA is $78,000 for people with a Master’s degree. Average annual salary for teachers is $58,950, or about 3/4 as much as everyone else.

Also, teachers don’t work 2/3 of what everyone else works, they work 4/5. They work 190 days, while most full time people work 230 days. So technically, teachers are underpaid.
Average annual starting salary in New Jersey is 50-60,000. You do not need a bachelor's degree. Average teachers median salary is 68,000. How is this underpaid? On to of that add pension and lifetime healthcare for them and all of their family.
 

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Average annual starting salary in New Jersey is 50-60,000. You do not need a bachelor's degree. Average teachers median salary is 68,000. How is this underpaid? On to of that add pension and lifetime healthcare for them and all of their family.
I don’t understand your post. Do teachers not have to get a Master’s degree in New Jersey? I’m sure they at least need a Bachelor’s degree, plus other certifications.

Masters is required in New York.
 

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I don’t understand your post. Do teachers not have to get a Master’s degree in New Jersey? I’m sure they at least need a Bachelor’s degree, plus other certifications.

Masters is required in New York.
You can start work as a teacher in NY with just a bachelor's degree, and then you'll need to get a Master's within 5 years(extensions are often granted), but you can get that by doing bullshit online courses that most school systems will even pay for. If you're too dumb and/or lazy to pull that off, there are "alternative programs" of busy work you can do, and it's rare for a teacher to be fired for not getting a Master's degree or an equivalent thereof.

So it's not like you need to walk in with a master's degree to teach fingerpainting to kindygartners.
 
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I don’t understand your post. Do teachers not have to get a Master’s degree in New Jersey? I’m sure they at least need a Bachelor’s degree, plus other certifications.

Masters is required in New York.
Master's isn't required. Why should it be required anyway? Your class will be the same regardless of a master's or bachelor's degree. The curriculum didn't change.
 

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Because it's Nanny York.

Why have a little bureaucracy and regulation, when lots of regulation and bureaucracy is better?
It just never made sense to me. You're not allowed to teach what you want. The school board comes up with the curriculum and what textbook you are required to teach from correct?
 
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Master's isn't required. Why should it be required anyway? Your class will be the same regardless of a master's or bachelor's degree. The curriculum didn't change.
If a master's degree is required, it will greatly reduce the number of hot blonde twentysomething teachers who have sex with their students.
 

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It just never made sense to me. You're not allowed to teach what you want. The school board comes up with the curriculum and what textbook you are required to teach from correct?
Yeah, the curriculum is pretty much carved in stone.

I understand why too. Teachers are mostly far-fringe lefties, and, if you left it up to them, half the classes would be lectures about how Trump is destroying the world, and the need to smash the evil capitalist slave state.
 

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You can start work as a teacher in NY with just a bachelor's degree, and then you'll need to get a Master's within 5 years(extensions are often granted), but you can get that by doing bullshit online courses that most school systems will even pay for. If you're too dumb and/or lazy to pull that off, there are "alternative programs" of busy work you can do, and it's rare for a teacher to be fired for not getting a Master's degree or an equivalent thereof.

So it's not like you need to walk in with a master's degree to teach fingerpainting to kindygartners.
No, but you need one to keep doing it. And REL that school systems pay for your masters courses. That's not true. There are grants and stuff, but that's not funded by the school system. Most teachers get a kicker on their salary once they complete their masters to "reimburse" them for the cost, but the kicker is so small it doesn't come close to reimbursing anything.

And it's only rare for a teacher to get fired for not getting their Master's degree because so few of them fail to do so. If you don't get your Masters, you lose your certification, and then


Simple as that.
 

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It just never made sense to me. You're not allowed to teach what you want. The school board comes up with the curriculum and what textbook you are required to teach from correct?
This is a really weird thing to say. What does "teach what you want" mean?

"You have to teach this kid Division."

"Fuck that, I'm going to teach him why Iron Man was right in Civil War."
 

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This is a really weird thing to say. What does "teach what you want" mean?

"You have to teach this kid Division."

"Fuck that, I'm going to teach him why Iron Man was right in Civil War."
Meaning you can't say, "don't bother opening your textbook, we're not using it" or "I don't care about that common core, we're going to do it the old fashioned way." Not sure why that's weird.
 

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My wife would be one of those teachers you hate. She maxed out her credits and degrees for NYC schools and now makes well into six figures, along with the yearly retroactive payments thanks to Comrade DiBlasio.
 

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My wife would be one of those teachers you hate. She maxed out her credits and degrees for NYC schools and now makes well into six figures, along with the yearly retroactive payments thanks to Comrade DiBlasio.
What do you do if I may ask?
 

Pigdango

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Meaning you can't say, "don't bother opening your textbook, we're not using it" or "I don't care about that common core, we're going to do it the old fashioned way." Not sure why that's weird.
The common core is what they are tested on and evaluated on. That's a federal law. So why would a teacher want to teach something different? It just makes no sense.
 

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My wife would be one of those teachers you hate. She maxed out her credits and degrees for NYC schools and now makes well into six figures, along with the yearly retroactive payments thanks to Comrade DiBlasio.
I have no hatred of teachers, and I don't even think they're overpaid.

What bothers me is the teachers who try and tell me they work their asses off, and they're underpaid.

My mother-in-law, who taught sixth-grade English on Long Island and retired with a 6-figure pension used to try and play they bullshit with me. At least she had the decency to sheepishly look at her shoes when I gave her the Stanley look.

 

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The common core is what they are tested on and evaluated on. That's a federal law. So why would a teacher want to teach something different? It just makes no sense.
Because the children must be made to understand how Orange Hitler is destroying their future.
 

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I did but with every intention of working commercially. That starving artist gallery show art scene happy crappy has nothing for me.
You went to art school. *insert homosexual insult here*

I dated a girl who lived in Connecticut who was an art school grad. By a miracle sent straight from the heavens, she got a dream job that art school grads would kill for. She got hired to be some sort of artistic design director at Foxwoods casino making like $50K/year... and this was in the mid 90's.

But, the girl was a profound dumbass, and she brought a big gaggle of her henfriends to the casino one night, and they all got sloppy drunk and obnoxious, and they toppled furniture, annoyed everyone, and caused a ruckus.

They fired dummy. She barely was there for a year.

*Anecdote dance*
 

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Because the children must be made to understand how Orange Hitler is destroying their future.
There's a really intelligent conversation to be had (this is not the place for such things, obviously.) about how people way back when devalued service jobs like Teachers, Cops and Firemen because they didn't want their tax dollars paying for such things. And so back in the day they only got the very worst candidates for such jobs. Lazy, slovenly, stupid people who couldn't make it in the private sector. Donut eating cops, poker playing firemen, and...well, female teachers.

And of course some wise and conniving people came in and said "Y'all should form a Union" and they did, and now those professions are handsomely paid, perhaps even overcompensated. And of course those professions are beholden to their Unions who negotiate those deals, who are beholden to the politicians who back them - the Democrats. And so all goes according to plan, with liberal teachers indoctrinating our youth with hatred for Trump and Conservative values.

Except now those politicians and those unions have perhaps made those jobs pay a little too much - so now they are actually desirable to competent people. People smart enough to know it's better to work 190 days than 230. And the teachers come under fire from Obama with Common Core. And the cops come under fire from Obama because Black Lives Matter, and Firemen...well, who cares about them? So maybe the next generation of cops and teachers might be a little less beholden to the Democrats. Maybe...
 
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