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In Defense of the Second Amendment

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by SKEPTIC, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. SKEPTIC

    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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    Given the gun grabbing climate were in right now, this is an all-encompassing thread in defense of the second amendment.

    If you've read an interesting article, book, blog, etc. post it here. Video, audio, whatever.

    Or if you just want to vent on anything related to the 2nd amendment. Or ask a question.

    One question I have for you all is if you think a federal AWB ("assault" weapons ban) is going to be ruled constitutional by the Supes? I don't have much confidence in Roberts after Obamacare. What do you think?
     
  2. SKEPTIC

    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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  4. Yesterdays Hero

    Yesterdays Hero She's better than you, Smirkalicious.

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    I feel kind of bad for the US right now. The responsible gun owners get the shaft, repeatedly.
     
  5. gleet

    gleet What's black and white and red all over?

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    Seems straightforward enough.

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights.html
     
  6. Neckbeard

    Neckbeard I'm Team Piggy!

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    I wonder about the precedent from numerous cases that have said that people can't make it such a legal burden to own firearms that it would constitute a legal ban. Putting up a bunch of "laws" that make it essentially impossible for somebody to exercise a right is termed a de facto ban is unconstitutional. I think of places like New York and Illinois which to my mind have de facto bans.

    Presumptive illegality and you need to apply to own a firearm
    You need two types of CCW and gun permits, one for the state and one for the biggest city in the nation, which is like a state unto itself
    It takes forever to be approved
    There is a very expensive fee for all licensing. NYC is 440 to just apply and you are statistically unlikely to get approved. More than 400 dollars, more than the cost of many firearms, just to apply for the chance of exercising your rights.
    It can be revoked at any time by many different people for unspecified reasons.
    The intrusive questioning is not needed for "strict scrutiny." Character witnesses, employer interviews, prescription drug usage are invalid ways to take away rights.
    The lengthy wait (6 to 12 months) does not stand up as constitutional, either.
    In person registration at distant locations to keep people from complying with burdensome regulation as a pretense to later revoke the right is unconstitutional.
    Firearms must be stored disassembled, locked away and unloaded with ammunition stored separately.


    Heller (handgun ownership, ownership of longarms in the household allowed), McDonald V Chicago (unconstitutional to ban classes of firearms, firearm ownership as a fundamental individual right), Herrington V U.S.(ruling that onerous ammunition regulation was unconstitutional as it prevented the exercise of the right to bear arms) all show that New York and NYC have de facto bans on the right to bear arms.

    Any further obstructive or confiscatory regulation such as a semiautomatic ban or a mandatory "buyback" program would be unconstitutional as well.

    http://burneylawfirm.com/blog/2010/12/23/is-new-york-citys-gun-law-unconstitutional/

    Strict scrutiny means all of these laws are overly broad, not suited to state interest and unconstitutional.
     
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  7. the Streif

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  8. Hate & Discontent

    Hate & Discontent Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?

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    I think the ruling on McDonald V Chicago will be the nail in the coffin of any AWB, IF it even gets to Obama's desk. At this point, I don't see one making it out of the house.
     
  9. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    All tell you one thing. If they pass some sort of ban and order me to confiscate people's AR-15's the US Government can kiss my sweet ass. There is NO fucking way I'm going door to door to step into an ambush.
     
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  10. SKEPTIC

    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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    I'm thinking if that happens, a lot of LEOs are gonna take an early retirement to avoid that.
     
  11. Ballbuster1

    Ballbuster1 In The Danger Zone...
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    I have no confidence in our government to do the right thing.

    All they care about is pandering to the public to get votes so they
    can stay in office and waste our tax dollars. This push to control
    guns for "the sake of the children" scares me.

    Knee jerk legislation sucks but I'll bet we get plenty of it.
    They have no clue that they are giving away everything that
    our ancestors fought to obtain.
     
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  12. samurai

    samurai Ridiculum Anserini

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    I want to hug you for this post, but I'm 700+ miles away, and do not want a temp ban for inappropriate mod contact, so I'll hit the like button. [wavy]
     
  13. Cunt Smasher

    Cunt Smasher Caligula Jr.

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    I wonder if they really push it if Texas will secede? It's just infuriating how logic and fact play a very small part in any political debate in this country.
     
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  14. Falldog

    Falldog Wackbag's Best Conservative
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    Oh, we're completely fucked. On one side we have grabbers who don't know the meaning behind half the terms they use and on the other the NRA who've gone full retard.
     
  15. the Streif

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    That is exactly what would happen in a lot of places with some of the crazies out there.

    Personally, mine were all sold in a legal face to face transfer. No background check required nor registration.....................;):rolleyes::action-sm
     
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    I have a small sliver of confidence in the Supreme Court and the justices that are on it over any fucking elected official. Appointment to the court is a life appointment, no need to campaign for votes. And by sliver of confidence, I mean half an iota of an atoms worth.
     
  17. Don the Radio Guy

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    Cops like you won't be doing it. They'll get a bunch of poorly trained local goons that think they're Marines.
     
  18. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    I hope they have a good supply of body bags if they try.
     
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    It'll be messy if they try that way. I don't think it'll come to that. They'll figure out a way to trick us.
     
  20. gleet

    gleet What's black and white and red all over?

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    Thank you for not being a confiscator.

    Imagine neighborhoods with interlocking fields of fire. Try to hide behind your squad car, but there is another house behind you. Ping ping ping.
     
  21. SKEPTIC

    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    That's one of the things I hate. Nobody really knows that the government
    definition of an "assault weapon" is just crap. It's been made intentionally
    vague so as many guns as possible can fit that classification.
     
  24. SKEPTIC

    SKEPTIC Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.

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    The left sees this as their Dunblane and Port Arthur, and their chance to take this all the way just like they did in the U.K. and Australia (total ban and confiscation).

    Dunblane

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

    Port Arthur

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Tasmania)

    Repeal the 2nd amendment

    http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2012/12/michael_moore_after_nra_press.html

    Australians Urge U.S. to Look to Their Gun Laws

    http://www.npr.org/2012/12/21/167814684/australians-urge-u-s-to-look-at-their-gun-laws

    Gun Control in America: The Fierce Urgency of Now

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/20/gun-control-america-urgency
     
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  25. Neckbeard

    Neckbeard I'm Team Piggy!

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    Lets ban Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Google + and Reddit. The Founding Fathers clearly had no capability to fathom the sheer douchefuckery it would produce.
    Or just the internet period. Along with other things they didn't anticipate such as...
    Mass printing
    The radio
    The television
    The cell phone
    Internal combustion engines (Freedom of association)

    We can all tear the electric grid down, foreswear modern clothing and anything manufactured wholly or in part with the usage of petroleum (everything) and after 95 percent of Earth's population starves to death from lack of machination and chemical fertilizers we can skulk around the 6.8 billion corpses wearing deerskin pantaloons and raccoon hats. Who needs agriculture and civilization anyhow?
     

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