In Defense of the Second Amendment

the Streif

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-immigrant-gun-20180801-story.html#

Undocumented immigrant accused of shooting a gun says he has same Second Amendment rights as U.S. citizens

By MARCO POGGIO and REUVEN BLAU
| NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
AUG 01, 2018 | 4:30 PM

A man holds a sign that reads "The people have the right to keep and bear arms" during a gun rights rally in Olympia, Wash. (Ted S. Warren / AP)

An undocumented immigrant busted for shooting a gun argued in court Wednesday that he should be entitled to the same Second Amendment rights as U.S. citizens.
In a case that may have far-reaching ramifications, Javier Perez, a Mexican national, contends that he is being unfairly hit with criminal charges for shooting in the air on a Brooklyn sidewalk to fend off gang rivals in July 2016.
“The Framers were clear: If they meant citizens, they would have said citizens. But they didn’t,” his defense lawyer, Samuel Jacobson, argued in Brooklyn federal court. “There is no suggestion that there was a concept of ‘illegal alien’ and no suggestion that if you were from a foreign country, you couldn’t bear arms.”
Brooklyn federal prosecutors are furious the case has been allowed to move forward. They argue that Perez has zero Second Amendment rights because he came to the U.S. illegally.


Assistant U.S. Attorney Tanya Hajjar also said that undocumented people frequently live above the law.
"Those who don't have legal status here have an interest in defying law enforcement. They have an interest in not maintaining a stable residence or registering a firearm," she argued in court.
Perez hopes a 2008 Supreme Court case that struck down a Washington handgun ban will bolster his case.
That 5-4 decision concluded that it was “preemptively lawful” to prohibit guns for felons and mentally unstable people.
Perez’s lawyer points out that decision made no mention of undocumented immigrants, meaning they should be entitled to the same rights as law abiding American citizens.
Prosecutors maintain the Supreme Court decision does not address cases involving undocumented immigrants who came to the country illegally.
If found guilty, Perez faces up to 10 years in prison and deportation.


I can only imagine if this fuck wins that next he'll claim he now has the right to vote in not only local but also federal elections.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-immigrant-gun-20180801-story.html#

Undocumented immigrant accused of shooting a gun says he has same Second Amendment rights as U.S. citizens

By MARCO POGGIO and REUVEN BLAU
| NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
AUG 01, 2018 | 4:30 PM

A man holds a sign that reads "The people have the right to keep and bear arms" during a gun rights rally in Olympia, Wash. (Ted S. Warren / AP)

An undocumented immigrant busted for shooting a gun argued in court Wednesday that he should be entitled to the same Second Amendment rights as U.S. citizens.
In a case that may have far-reaching ramifications, Javier Perez, a Mexican national, contends that he is being unfairly hit with criminal charges for shooting in the air on a Brooklyn sidewalk to fend off gang rivals in July 2016.
“The Framers were clear: If they meant citizens, they would have said citizens. But they didn’t,” his defense lawyer, Samuel Jacobson, argued in Brooklyn federal court. “There is no suggestion that there was a concept of ‘illegal alien’ and no suggestion that if you were from a foreign country, you couldn’t bear arms.”
Brooklyn federal prosecutors are furious the case has been allowed to move forward. They argue that Perez has zero Second Amendment rights because he came to the U.S. illegally.


Assistant U.S. Attorney Tanya Hajjar also said that undocumented people frequently live above the law.
"Those who don't have legal status here have an interest in defying law enforcement. They have an interest in not maintaining a stable residence or registering a firearm," she argued in court.
Perez hopes a 2008 Supreme Court case that struck down a Washington handgun ban will bolster his case.
That 5-4 decision concluded that it was “preemptively lawful” to prohibit guns for felons and mentally unstable people.
Perez’s lawyer points out that decision made no mention of undocumented immigrants, meaning they should be entitled to the same rights as law abiding American citizens.
Prosecutors maintain the Supreme Court decision does not address cases involving undocumented immigrants who came to the country illegally.
If found guilty, Perez faces up to 10 years in prison and deportation.


I can only imagine if this fuck wins that next he'll claim he now has the right to vote in not only local but also federal elections.

I'm genuinely curious which side of the issue the Libs are on here. They're the one that is always saying the Second Amendment isn't unlimited. But on the other hand, they usually don't waste a second stepping on legal citizens to support an undocumented alien.
 

the Streif

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I'm genuinely curious which side of the issue the Libs are on here. They're the one that is always saying the Second Amendment isn't unlimited. But on the other hand, they usually don't waste a second stepping on legal citizens to support an undocumented alien.
Exactly and this could potentially set precedent.
 

Floyd1977

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If the NRA goes, that’s a serious blow to the future of the US.

NRA says it’s broke and on the verge of collapse
By Bob Fredericks
The deep-pocketed NRA claims it’s going broke and may soon “be unable to exist” — and blames Gov. Andrew Cuomo for its purported poverty, according to a recent court document that’s part of its lawsuit against the state.

The pro-gun lobby — which gave a record $21 million to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign — said it’s headed to the poorhouse because a state agency told insurers to cut ties with the association and slapped a $7 million fine on NRA insurance broker Lockton Cos.

The group had filed a federal lawsuit against Cuomo and the state in May, claiming New York launched an unfair “blacklisting campaign” against the association.

In the new court filing in late July, the NRA complained it couldn’t obtain financial services crucial to its operations and faced “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm” after losing insurance coverage.

“Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” according to the new document, which was first reported by the New York Law Journal.

Without liability insurance, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies,” the filing said.

NRA-TV may also be on the chopping block, the Oliver North-led association complained.

“The NRA’s inability to obtain insurance in connection with media liability raises risks that are especially acute; if insurers remain afraid to transact with the NRA, there is a substantial risk that NRATV will be forced to cease operating,” the new filing said.

In the initial suit filed in May, the NRA claimed that Cuomo and state Department of Financial Services Superintendent Maria Vullo conspired to pressure financial institutions and insurers to cut ties with the group.

The state argued in a motion filed in early July that the insurers they targeted were selling coverage that violated state law, according to the Law Journal’s report.

The insurance, called Carry Guard, provided coverage for any criminal defense bills and protection from civil suits an individual could face after using a gun in self-defense.

The state argued that the coverage was illegal because “New York state law prohibits insurance coverage to defense costs arising out of a crime.”

Dallas-based William Brewer III, lead lawyer for the NRA, told the Journal that the group was “suffering setbacks” because of the state’s actions.

“The amended complaint raises concerns about the material impacts to the NRA as a result of the actions of Governor Cuomo and DFS,” Brewer said in a statement about the new filing.

“Our client is suffering setbacks with respect to the availability of insurance and banking services — as a result of a political and discriminatory campaign meant to coerce financial institutions to refrain from doing business with the NRA. The actions of defendants are a blatant attack on the First Amendment rights of our organization,” he continued.

Cuomo mocked the civil complaint when it was first filed.

“In New York, we won’t be intimidated by frivolous court actions from a group of lobbyists bent on chipping away at common-sense gun safety laws that many responsible gun owners actually support,” he said.

A rep for Cuomo did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new court filing.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
If the NRA goes, that’s a serious blow to the future of the US.

NRA says it’s broke and on the verge of collapse
By Bob Fredericks
The deep-pocketed NRA claims it’s going broke and may soon “be unable to exist” — and blames Gov. Andrew Cuomo for its purported poverty, according to a recent court document that’s part of its lawsuit against the state.

The pro-gun lobby — which gave a record $21 million to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign — said it’s headed to the poorhouse because a state agency told insurers to cut ties with the association and slapped a $7 million fine on NRA insurance broker Lockton Cos.

The group had filed a federal lawsuit against Cuomo and the state in May, claiming New York launched an unfair “blacklisting campaign” against the association.

In the new court filing in late July, the NRA complained it couldn’t obtain financial services crucial to its operations and faced “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm” after losing insurance coverage.

“Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” according to the new document, which was first reported by the New York Law Journal.

Without liability insurance, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies,” the filing said.

NRA-TV may also be on the chopping block, the Oliver North-led association complained.

“The NRA’s inability to obtain insurance in connection with media liability raises risks that are especially acute; if insurers remain afraid to transact with the NRA, there is a substantial risk that NRATV will be forced to cease operating,” the new filing said.

In the initial suit filed in May, the NRA claimed that Cuomo and state Department of Financial Services Superintendent Maria Vullo conspired to pressure financial institutions and insurers to cut ties with the group.

The state argued in a motion filed in early July that the insurers they targeted were selling coverage that violated state law, according to the Law Journal’s report.

The insurance, called Carry Guard, provided coverage for any criminal defense bills and protection from civil suits an individual could face after using a gun in self-defense.

The state argued that the coverage was illegal because “New York state law prohibits insurance coverage to defense costs arising out of a crime.”

Dallas-based William Brewer III, lead lawyer for the NRA, told the Journal that the group was “suffering setbacks” because of the state’s actions.

“The amended complaint raises concerns about the material impacts to the NRA as a result of the actions of Governor Cuomo and DFS,” Brewer said in a statement about the new filing.

“Our client is suffering setbacks with respect to the availability of insurance and banking services — as a result of a political and discriminatory campaign meant to coerce financial institutions to refrain from doing business with the NRA. The actions of defendants are a blatant attack on the First Amendment rights of our organization,” he continued.

Cuomo mocked the civil complaint when it was first filed.

“In New York, we won’t be intimidated by frivolous court actions from a group of lobbyists bent on chipping away at common-sense gun safety laws that many responsible gun owners actually support,” he said.

A rep for Cuomo did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new court filing.
I’m no fan of the NRA but I hope they win
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
What I find kind of interesting is how the NRA went from record enrollment and donations to “we’re bankrupt”
 

Floyd1977

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What I find kind of interesting is how the NRA went from record enrollment and donations to “we’re bankrupt”
Again, it’s more about democrats such as Cuomo extorting insurance providers to cut ties with the NRA. If they can’t obtain insurance, they can’t function. And in the interim they’re going to have to pony up millions in legal fees to fight any of this.
 

tattered

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What I find kind of interesting is how the NRA went from record enrollment and donations to “we’re bankrupt”
Well whats happening is Cuomo is strong arming the insurance companies to quintuple the NRAs must have insurance policy prices and as a business it is illegal for them to operate without said insurances (workers comp, liability, ect). So by quintupling the price it will effectively bankrupt them because they have no choice but to pay it
 

the Streif

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I’d like to see Hogg bludgeoned to a fucking pulp with a dull soup spoon just to prove that it’s not just guns that kill.
 

d0uche_n0zzle

**Negative_Creep**
Andy is going to get his shit pushed in from the Feds. You can not do what he's doing to a legit civil rights group. It won't fly and Andy should be sent to Gitmo for acting like a terrorist.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Andy is going to get his shit pushed in from the Feds. You can not do what he's doing to a legit civil rights group. It won't fly and Andy should be sent to Gitmo for acting like a terrorist.
Yea, it seems a little extreme because you are correct, like it or not the NRA is a legitimate corporation, a legitimate civil rights group, what if he did the same shit to the naacp?
 

KRSOne

Registered User
If the NRA goes, that’s a serious blow to the future of the US.

NRA says it’s broke and on the verge of collapse
By Bob Fredericks
The deep-pocketed NRA claims it’s going broke and may soon “be unable to exist” — and blames Gov. Andrew Cuomo for its purported poverty, according to a recent court document that’s part of its lawsuit against the state.

The pro-gun lobby — which gave a record $21 million to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign — said it’s headed to the poorhouse because a state agency told insurers to cut ties with the association and slapped a $7 million fine on NRA insurance broker Lockton Cos.

The group had filed a federal lawsuit against Cuomo and the state in May, claiming New York launched an unfair “blacklisting campaign” against the association.

In the new court filing in late July, the NRA complained it couldn’t obtain financial services crucial to its operations and faced “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm” after losing insurance coverage.

“Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” according to the new document, which was first reported by the New York Law Journal.

Without liability insurance, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies,” the filing said.

NRA-TV may also be on the chopping block, the Oliver North-led association complained.

“The NRA’s inability to obtain insurance in connection with media liability raises risks that are especially acute; if insurers remain afraid to transact with the NRA, there is a substantial risk that NRATV will be forced to cease operating,” the new filing said.

In the initial suit filed in May, the NRA claimed that Cuomo and state Department of Financial Services Superintendent Maria Vullo conspired to pressure financial institutions and insurers to cut ties with the group.

The state argued in a motion filed in early July that the insurers they targeted were selling coverage that violated state law, according to the Law Journal’s report.

The insurance, called Carry Guard, provided coverage for any criminal defense bills and protection from civil suits an individual could face after using a gun in self-defense.

The state argued that the coverage was illegal because “New York state law prohibits insurance coverage to defense costs arising out of a crime.”

Dallas-based William Brewer III, lead lawyer for the NRA, told the Journal that the group was “suffering setbacks” because of the state’s actions.

“The amended complaint raises concerns about the material impacts to the NRA as a result of the actions of Governor Cuomo and DFS,” Brewer said in a statement about the new filing.

“Our client is suffering setbacks with respect to the availability of insurance and banking services — as a result of a political and discriminatory campaign meant to coerce financial institutions to refrain from doing business with the NRA. The actions of defendants are a blatant attack on the First Amendment rights of our organization,” he continued.

Cuomo mocked the civil complaint when it was first filed.

“In New York, we won’t be intimidated by frivolous court actions from a group of lobbyists bent on chipping away at common-sense gun safety laws that many responsible gun owners actually support,” he said.

A rep for Cuomo did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the new court filing.
The only way it could be 'good' is if they were replaced by a superior gun rights group like Gun Owners Of America.
 
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