Is Border Wall Grounds for National Emergency?

Is Border Wall Grounds for National Emergency?

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Pigdango

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#26
It has nothing to do with being in favor of one or the other. It more has to do with reality.
Not sure what this means. You don’t think the fencing had anything at all to do with the decline in crossings?
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#27
Not sure what this means. You don’t think the fencing had anything at all to do with the decline in crossings?
I do. However, I think the recession played a bigger role. Either way, it doesn't mean there is an emergency now.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#28
Not sure what this means. You don’t think the fencing had anything at all to do with the decline in crossings?
By the way, what I meant is, whether I favor something or not has no bearing on it being the cause of something.
 

Pigdango

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#29
Back to the surge in crossings during the summer of 2014 that mirrors the current surge.

Here’s what President Obama said in the summer of 2014. I’ve said many times that Obama’s “pass a bill” speech was the finest moment of his Presidency. I hadn’t made the connection on it to the current situation until just now:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...sident-border-security-and-immigration-reform

We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all. In recent weeks, we’ve seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers.
The journey is unbelievably dangerous for these kids. The children who are fortunate enough to survive it will be taken care of while they go through the legal process, but in most cases that process will lead to them being sent back home. I’ve sent a clear message to parents in these countries not to put their kids through this.
So while I will continue to push House Republicans to drop the excuses and act –- and I hope their constituents will too -– America cannot wait forever for them to act. And that’s why, today, I’m beginning a new effort to fix as much of our immigration system as I can on my own, without Congress. As a first step, I’m directing the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General to move available and appropriate resources from our interior to the border. Protecting public safety and deporting dangerous criminals has been and will remain the top priority, but we are going to refocus our efforts where we can to make sure we do what it takes to keep our border secure.
I have also directed Secretary Johnson and Attorney General Holder to identify additional actions my administration can take on our own, within my existing legal authorities, to do what Congress refuses to do and fix as much of our immigration system as we can. If Congress will not do their job, at least we can do ours. I expect their recommendations before the end of summer and I intend to adopt those recommendations without further delay.
 

Pigdango

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#30
So could Trump just have done what Obama did in 2014? Possibly. It certainly seemed to stop the surge, although it didn’t fix the problem. Sort of like putting a fire out but leaving it smoldering.

 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#31
Back to the surge in crossings during the summer of 2014 that mirrors the current surge.

Here’s what President Obama said in the summer of 2014. I’ve said many times that Obama’s “pass a bill” speech was the finest moment of his Presidency. I hadn’t made the connection on it to the current situation until just now:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...sident-border-security-and-immigration-reform

We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all. In recent weeks, we’ve seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers.
The journey is unbelievably dangerous for these kids. The children who are fortunate enough to survive it will be taken care of while they go through the legal process, but in most cases that process will lead to them being sent back home. I’ve sent a clear message to parents in these countries not to put their kids through this.
So while I will continue to push House Republicans to drop the excuses and act –- and I hope their constituents will too -– America cannot wait forever for them to act. And that’s why, today, I’m beginning a new effort to fix as much of our immigration system as I can on my own, without Congress. As a first step, I’m directing the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General to move available and appropriate resources from our interior to the border. Protecting public safety and deporting dangerous criminals has been and will remain the top priority, but we are going to refocus our efforts where we can to make sure we do what it takes to keep our border secure.
I have also directed Secretary Johnson and Attorney General Holder to identify additional actions my administration can take on our own, within my existing legal authorities, to do what Congress refuses to do and fix as much of our immigration system as we can. If Congress will not do their job, at least we can do ours. I expect their recommendations before the end of summer and I intend to adopt those recommendations without further delay.
What do you make of the crazy low numbers in FY2017?
 

Floyd1977

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#32
Back to the surge in crossings during the summer of 2014 that mirrors the current surge.

Here’s what President Obama said in the summer of 2014. I’ve said many times that Obama’s “pass a bill” speech was the finest moment of his Presidency. I hadn’t made the connection on it to the current situation until just now:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...sident-border-security-and-immigration-reform

We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all. In recent weeks, we’ve seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers.
The journey is unbelievably dangerous for these kids. The children who are fortunate enough to survive it will be taken care of while they go through the legal process, but in most cases that process will lead to them being sent back home. I’ve sent a clear message to parents in these countries not to put their kids through this.
So while I will continue to push House Republicans to drop the excuses and act –- and I hope their constituents will too -– America cannot wait forever for them to act. And that’s why, today, I’m beginning a new effort to fix as much of our immigration system as I can on my own, without Congress. As a first step, I’m directing the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General to move available and appropriate resources from our interior to the border. Protecting public safety and deporting dangerous criminals has been and will remain the top priority, but we are going to refocus our efforts where we can to make sure we do what it takes to keep our border secure.
I have also directed Secretary Johnson and Attorney General Holder to identify additional actions my administration can take on our own, within my existing legal authorities, to do what Congress refuses to do and fix as much of our immigration system as we can. If Congress will not do their job, at least we can do ours. I expect their recommendations before the end of summer and I intend to adopt those recommendations without further delay.
Put that in front of people tomorrow and ask “who said it” guessing 9 out of 10 would say Trump (pending that people identified by name and parties identified were edited out.)
 
#35
Not sure what this means. You don’t think the fencing had anything at all to do with the decline in crossings?
FWIW I remember a couple years ago there were articles written about Yuma, Arizona and how their wall there cut illegal crossings by something like 80-90% (I think I'm remembering correctly). This is, of course, an incredibly small sample that may not have any bearing on the whole though.
 

ysr50

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#37
You assholes make your opinions sitting somewhere in the northeastern part of our wonderful, beautiful, vibrant country. For those of us that live in the southwest these people are a fucking problem. I don't assume to understand a Buffalo NY winter, you shouldn't assume you have any idea how this immigration issue effects those of us that live here. I gave up on the AR, I'm all about my 1894 these days.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#38
You assholes make your opinions sitting somewhere in the northeastern part of our wonderful, beautiful, vibrant country. For those of us that live in the southwest these people are a fucking problem. I don't assume to understand a Buffalo NY winter, you shouldn't assume you have any idea how this immigration issue effects those of us that live here. I gave up on the AR, I'm all about my 1894 these days.
Does it matter that NYC has more illegals than LA?
 

ysr50

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#39
Does it matter that NYC has more illegals than LA?
How would anyone know? They're not going to crawl out of the cracks to be counted. If you think NYC has more illegals than Southern California you're just dumb, we have them in any flavor, not just Hispanic.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#40
How would anyone know? They're not going to crawl out of the cracks to be counted. If you think NYC has more illegals than Southern California you're just dumb, we have them in any flavor, not just Hispanic.
It's just the estimates I saw. Points is, NYC has a ton too so they might understand your struggle.
 

ysr50

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#41
It's just the estimates I saw. Points is, NYC has a ton too so they might understand your struggle.
I'm sure it's a nuisance, but I find it hard to believe based on the size of the city and the proximity to the border that the numbers, if possible, would even compare. I like the majority of these people, I just wish they had done it the right way. There are bad apples, easy to spot and quickly dismissed.
 

click

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#42
My local paper compared it to the great wall of China. Saying the great wall
was a failure. It did exactly what it was designed to do. Protect remote areas
 
#43
We shell out more in welfare to the African American community. Shouldn't that be an emergency first?
I have absolutely no love for the welfare state and believe we need massive reforms, but black households are headed by black Americans.
 

Pigdango

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#44
You assholes make your opinions sitting somewhere in the northeastern part of our wonderful, beautiful, vibrant country. For those of us that live in the southwest these people are a fucking problem. I don't assume to understand a Buffalo NY winter, you shouldn't assume you have any idea how this immigration issue effects those of us that live here. I gave up on the AR, I'm all about my 1894 these days.
It ain’t even that bad. I pay migrants $3 to shovel my driveway.

Speaking of, in upstate New York there are these weird things called “farms.” Who do you think picks those crops? The people that own the farms?

 

mascan42

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#45
I think Trump fucked himself with the "I didn't need to do this" line, which kind of takes the wind out of the "emergency" part of it.
 

Creasy Bear

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#46
I think Trump fucked himself with the "I didn't need to do this" line, which kind of takes the wind out of the "emergency" part of it.
I think it was meant as "The Democrats forced me to do this." rather than "This isn't something that needs to be done." but I'm sure there will be plenty who prefer the first interpretation.
 

Mags

LDAR, bitch.
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#47
It ain’t even that bad. I pay migrants $3 to shovel my driveway.

Speaking of, in upstate New York there are these weird things called “farms.” Who do you think picks those crops? The people that own the farms?

Once the wall goes up farmers will need to start having 10 children again like it’s 1780.
 

KRSOne

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#48
Socialist/Commie activist groups from Central and South America are the ones paying the way for these large caravans to turn the US into Venezuela. Not only is it a national emergency for the US but its also an emergency for the world who will be in danger if commies take over the US military.
 

Jacuzzi Billy

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#49
I have absolutely no love for the welfare state and believe we need massive reforms, but black households are headed by black Americans.
Does that make it less of an issue or more? One could argue american citizens who are poor and on welfare is more of a concern than non-citizens.
 
#50
Does that make it less of an issue or more? One could argue american citizens who are poor and on welfare is more of a concern than non-citizens.
I'd say it's less of an issue in that they're both burdens on the system, but Americans actually belong here. That's not to say both aren't an issue though.
 
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