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It's like when networks do themes: It gay marriage week in the Supreme Court

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  1. BIV

    BIV I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...1lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QDVGVzdF9BRkM-;_ylv=3

    Anyone wanna make any bets? Will the SC do the right thing or will the gays get fucked in the ass again? (pun completely intended)
     
  2. Neon

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    Just for the sake of betting - Prop 8 upheld 5 to 4 and DOMA struck down 5 to 4.
     
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    Ooooh. There's a pool? I'll take the 6-3 square. I've also got Roberts on my fantasy league this year. Both Prop 8 and DOMA struck down.
     
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    Yeah, Roberts could fuck up my picks for sure but it wouldn't that still mean that both are struck down 5-4 (In my initial scenario Roberts was included in my 5-4 majority of striking down DOMA)? Who else do you have crossing?
     
  5. droogie

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    My bet:
    DOMA struck down 6-3 with Roberts & Kennedy joining the good guys.
    Prop 8 struck down 5-4 with Kennedy being the swing vote.

    Scalia goes ape shit.
     
  6. Party Rooster

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    Kennedy. Along with Kagan, Soto, Ginny and Breyer.
     
  7. Don the Radio Guy

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    Alito might join too. 7-2? I'd have to see the exact issues at hand. It might even be 9-0, depending on how the case is worded.
     
  8. d0uche_n0zzle

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    Let the fruits get married.

    Equal protection under the law, yo.
     
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  9. Neon

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    Yeah, although I still think Roberts upholding individual mandate was a bunch of bullfuck.
     
  10. Don the Radio Guy

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    Making it a tax was an easy way to get it repealed. Not his fault congress didn't do it.
     
  11. Neon

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    But even he acknowledged that they were basically doing that with some loophole. I think sometimes the important thing is the end result, not what name it is called on paper. That to me was an overly academic and not enough realistic decision.
     
  12. KRSOne

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    When progressives are in the majority, or they think they are, they cry for democracy and mob rule. When they are in the minority, they run back to the republic and cry for rights of the minority. I'm sure the court will side with the gays, 99% chance.
     
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  13. whiskeyguy

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    Condemn gays to death by firing squad? Not in Obama's America.
     
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  14. Lord Zero

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    The anti-same sex marriage crowd has no compelling legal arguments in their favor. However, there's not a guarantee that SCOTUS strikes down Prop. 8 or DOMA.
     
  15. whiskeyguy

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    DOMA is almost definitely gone because it's federal, Prop 8 should be knocked out but may not under states' rights, and if it stands that will set a precedent that will make it very difficult for universal gay marriage in the US.

    It's fucking ridiculous to me that this had to go to the Supreme Court. The government should have absolutely no influence on marriage beyond mitigating marital contract disputes.
     
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  16. Lord Zero

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    If DOMA is struck down as unconstituinal, Prop. 8 is no longer a state's rights and will be struck down along with it (or should be, at least).
    If it stands, it will set the precedent that constitutional rights can be violated by state laws. Constitutional rights would effectively cease to exist if that decision were to be subsequently upheld.
    Exactly.
     
  17. Don the Radio Guy

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    Sandy Kane made it to the Second Circuit. It's not unusual that this would make SCOTUS.
     
  18. droogie

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    but then dont DOMA and prop 8 infringe on the right contract in the first place?
     
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    I'm drunk. But I thought I made the point that constitutionally the .gov has no power to dictate marriage,
     
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    I'm betting they try to stay out of the issue entirely, and just declare the Prop 8 supporters have no legal standing to appeal the case. That way, the California gays (band name!) still get to marry, and they effectively make gay marriage a state-level issue.
     
  21. Don the Radio Guy

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    They'd have to overturn DOMA for that to happen. Knowing this court, it'll be a compromise. DOMA stricken down and Prop 8 upheld.
     
  22. Lord Zero

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    Again, if that's the line they take, then they'd be setting the precedent that the Bill of Rights stops at the state line. From there, they could use that precedent to uphold state gun control measures. The social conservatives may end up handing the gun grabbers the tools to bring about their own decisive legal defeat.
     
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  23. Party Rooster

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    They have already. Still say they void DOMA and Prop 8.
     
  24. Don the Radio Guy

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    That doesn't even make sense.
     
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