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Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
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I wouldn't necessarily call it a lack of empathy. At least from me. Because The Florida Project is a slice of life movie and I can't sing its praises highly enough.

And I wouldn't call it a lack of film sophistication because we watch a fuckton of movies spanning all genres and eras. It's not like we're a @Pigdango who ranks Infinity War above the Mona Lisa but above David as far as man's greatest artistic achievements. (I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I know you put it above David.)

But it feels that to truly appreciate Roma, you need to discuss it in stuff film theorist voice. "Harumph, if you notice the mise en scene of when they're standing outside the cinema, you'll recognize..."

Maybe it's edge. Maybe what we're looking for in movies is some edginess - not in a shock jock way - but a bit of grit and darkness. Whether it's in the narrative, the look, or a character that's a bit unexpected. None of the characters in Roma had that bit of pizazz. But if a character had pizazz it might not have felt right in the movie? And this movie does everything right to the point where it's missing something. It's a similar problem I had with Call Me By Your Name. It did everything right for the movie it was, but it just didn't connect with me. (Though I like it more thinking back on it.)

I can't imagine that we're the only people who feel that way, but that's not a flaw in the movie, it's a personal preference. So I think a lot of the praise comes less because people emotionally connected with it, and more because it accomplished what it set out to accomplish quite well. And you don't want to be the asshole who picks Escape Room over Roma.
I liked the Florida Project. I didn’t realize you hated Infinity War.
 

LiddyRules

The 9/11 Moon Landings Were An Outside Job
I guess I need to finally watch that. Fuckin' Sandy Kane.



That's another similarity with The 400 Blows. This is an exact commentary quote from a random scene: "After he's been found out in his lies and publicly chastised, we see Antoine descending the angle of the staircase from upper left to lower right. Students of visual literacy recognize in this movement a parallel to a graph of declining fortunes, reinforcing Antoine's descent in moral as well as physical terms." My brain doesn't work like that, and there has to be some significant appeal to the movie to begin with before you ever get to breaking down scenes like that.



That's fair, and those are the kinds of movies I'm drawn to, but I also thoroughly enjoyed Gifted and Akeelah and the Bee.



Swingin' Dick Soldier Boy had pizzazz. If the protests were explained, I missed it. But yeah, I think that's it. I didn't care about anyone or anything in Roma. And that's not me being unable to care about "those people." I thought City of God was amazing. In Roma's case, "those people" were too mundane. Was that the point - in contrast to the turmoil around them?



I don't even know what it accomplished aside from getting two less-than-enthusiastic viewers talking about it.
We can like 'nicer' movies or more empathetic movies, but I don't know what it is with this one that keeps it from connecting with us. You more than me. I also don't know who else we can bring into this discussion to figure out what we're missing. @Stormrider666 @HandPanzer ?

But this definitely does open the Best Picture race more than I thought it would. Because Roma is winning all the critic's awards, and this isn't Best Picture worthy. Maybe it would have been in the 2000s, but if they're trying to (a) be more populist/less pretentious and/or (b) be more socially conscious, this doesn't fit any of those qualifications.
 
We can like 'nicer' movies or more empathetic movies, but I don't know what it is with this one that keeps it from connecting with us. You more than me. I also don't know who else we can bring into this discussion to figure out what we're missing. @Stormrider666 @HandPanzer ?

But this definitely does open the Best Picture race more than I thought it would. Because Roma is winning all the critic's awards, and this isn't Best Picture worthy. Maybe it would have been in the 2000s, but if they're trying to (a) be more populist/less pretentious and/or (b) be more socially conscious, this doesn't fit any of those qualifications.
I still have to get around to seeing Roma, but I can't help but wonder if some of the inability to connect with it is due to it being a Spanish language film. That's not to say you can't empathize with or appreciate it, just that sometimes the translation loses something and causes situations and characters to come off differently than intended. I'll have to watch it in order to be certain, but I've noticed issues with Netflix translations from time to time in the past.
 

LiddyRules

The 9/11 Moon Landings Were An Outside Job
I still have to get around to seeing Roma, but I can't help but wonder if some of the inability to connect with it is due to it being a Spanish language film. That's not to say you can't empathize with or appreciate it, just that sometimes the translation loses something and causes situations and characters to come off differently than intended. I'll have to watch it in order to be certain, but I've noticed issues with Netflix translations from time to time in the past.
Of course. It's our fault for being white.
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
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We can like 'nicer' movies or more empathetic movies, but I don't know what it is with this one that keeps it from connecting with us. You more than me. I also don't know who else we can bring into this discussion to figure out what we're missing. @Stormrider666 @HandPanzer ?

But this definitely does open the Best Picture race more than I thought it would. Because Roma is winning all the critic's awards, and this isn't Best Picture worthy. Maybe it would have been in the 2000s, but if they're trying to (a) be more populist/less pretentious and/or (b) be more socially conscious, this doesn't fit any of those qualifications.
Won’t it just win best foreign language film?
 

LiddyRules

The 9/11 Moon Landings Were An Outside Job
Won’t it just win best foreign language film?
Probably. Though I am looking forward to Cold "Bond Killer" War. I am also going to say Cinematography. But the way Critics Awards are going goofy over it, it was positioned as a Best Picture favorite-ish. And it won't be. It might get nominated, but no way it wins.

I wonder what other movies I need to see with Best Picture potential. Christ. Biel Street? Starburns? The Greenbook? I need to see Bohemian Rhapsody, don't I?
 

Pigdango

Silence, you mortal Fuck!
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Probably. Though I am looking forward to Cold "Bond Killer" War. I am also going to say Cinematography. But the way Critics Awards are going goofy over it, it was positioned as a Best Picture favorite-ish. And it won't be. It might get nominated, but no way it wins.

I wonder what other movies I need to see with Best Picture potential. Christ. Biel Street? Starburns? The Greenbook? I need to see Bohemian Rhapsody, don't I?
I haven’t checked @Jacuzzi Billy ’s betting odds, but I feel like Rhapsody is the front runner right now. If Green Book peeps weren’t constantly getting in trouble it could steal it like Moonlight stole it from La La.
 
We can like 'nicer' movies or more empathetic movies, but I don't know what it is with this one that keeps it from connecting with us. You more than me. I also don't know who else we can bring into this discussion to figure out what we're missing. @Stormrider666 @HandPanzer ?

But this definitely does open the Best Picture race more than I thought it would. Because Roma is winning all the critic's awards, and this isn't Best Picture worthy. Maybe it would have been in the 2000s, but if they're trying to (a) be more populist/less pretentious and/or (b) be more socially conscious, this doesn't fit any of those qualifications.
I haven't seen Roma and I'll probably never will, but I think you and @Hog's Big Ben summed up things perfectly. I can appreciate a film for being well crafted and I can appreciate the passion that some people have for it. For example, the people at CineFix love Andrei Tarkovsky's films. Especially The Mirror. While my wheelhouse has expanded over the past decade, from the way they talk about them and from what I have seen, I know they are not for me. Now matter how a great film is, there has to be something that connects me to it on a personal level.
 
I haven’t checked @Jacuzzi Billy ’s betting odds, but I feel like Rhapsody is the front runner right now. If Green Book peeps weren’t constantly getting in trouble it could steal it like Moonlight stole it from La La.
Pretty tight race this year:

Roma 13/8
Star 11/4
Green Book 6/1
Rhap 10/1
 

Hog's Big Ben

Getting ass-***** in The Octagon, brother.
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The White Ribbon (2009, Germany). Before the outbreak of World War I, a doctor returns to his small village on horseback and is seriously injured by a wire that trips his horse, leading to a series of escalating seemingly retaliatory incidents...or so our unreliable schoolteacher narrator tells us. I suppose this is a horror movie masquerading as a mystery if you follow the breadcrumbs to their unspoken conclusion, but even without the subtext its an intense stark (black & white, no score) experience. I loved it.

@Hog's Big Ben

Can't remember if you commented on either of these, but if you haven't, next twofer?

Roma
The White Ribbon
Roma shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as The White Ribbon. How did you connect these two aside from historical, black & white, and foreign? Also thank you for putting it on my radar. I doubt I would've ever known of its existence otherwise.
 
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