Lesbians’ assault on gay man can’t be hate crime

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Felicia Stroud



Erika Stroud



Lydia Sanford



COURT CONFAB: Lydia Sanford and Erika Stroud cover up during their arraignment on assault and battery charges yesterday as Stroud confers with defense attorney Jude Kostas in West Roxbury District Court.

Three women identified by their lawyers as lesbians were arraigned yesterday on a hate crime charge for allegedly beating a gay man at the Forest Hills T station in an unusual case that experts say exposes the law’s flawed logic.

“My guess is that no sane jury would convict them under those circumstances, but what this really demonstrates is the idiocy of the hate-crime legislation,” said civil liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate. “If you beat someone up, you’re guilty of assault and battery of a human being. Period. The idea of trying to break down human beings into categories is doomed to failure.”

Prosecutors and the ACLU of Massachusetts said no matter the defendants’ sexual orientation, they can still face the crime of assault and battery with intent to intimidate, which carries up to a 10-year prison sentence, by using hateful language.

“Someone who is Jewish can be anti-Semitic,” said ACLU staff attorney Sarah Wunsch. “The mere fact that someone is a member of the same class doesn’t mean they could not be motivated by hatred for their very own group.”

But Carolyn Euell, 38, mother of two of the defendants, Erika Stroud, 21, of Dorchester and Felicia Stroud, 18, West Roxbury, told reporters the alleged attack “can’t be hateful” because both her daughters are lesbians.

Prosecutor Lindsey Weinstein said the two sisters and one of their domestic partners, Lydia Sanford, also a defendant, viciously beat the man Sunday, repeatedly punching and kicking him after he bumped them with his backpack on a stairwell.

She said the victim, who suffered a broken nose, told cops he believed the attack was “motivated as a crime because of his sexual orientation” since the three women “called him insulting homophobic slurs.”

But attorney Helene Tomlinson, who represented Sanford, told the judge her client is “openly identified as a lesbian ... so any homophobic (conduct) is unwarranted.” She said the alleged victim was the aggressor and used racial slurs: “He provoked them.”

Felicia Stroud’s attorney, C. Harold Krasnow, said, “They don’t know what his sexual orientation is, just like he doesn’t know what theirs is.”

Krasnow later noted the low bail the judge gave the women, $100 to $500 cash, and suggested the prosecution’s case was weak.

Civil-rights attorney Chester Darling agreed. “No one should go to court. It’s knuckle justice,” he said. “It’s a fair exchange.”

But Jake Wark, a spokesman for Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley, said prosecutors will have no problem proving the women committed a hate crime, even if they are lesbians.

“The defendants’ particular orientation or alleged orientations have no bearing on our ability to prosecute for allegedly targeting a person who they believe to be different from them,” he said.

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Those are not lesbians. Lesbians are white or Asian and skinny. Those are dykes.
 

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Holy fuck that's a difficult GTR. Kay...lemme think. Mass = Boston I guess, since the city wasn't given in the story (didn't click the link). No idea what ethnicity hangs out in forest hills. Names could be either way. White trash or some weird offshoot shwoogie. White trash like the south doesn't live in boston though, as that's a different thing altogether (southie and all that). Happened in a Subway/Bus station though. That screams shwoogie.

Sign me up for the evils being spooks, not whitey.

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Yeah! Got it. Can't beat me at GTR.
 
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Holy fuck that's a difficult GTR. Kay...lemme think. Mass = Boston I guess, since the city wasn't given in the story (didn't click the link). No idea what ethnicity hangs out in forest hills. Names could be either way. White trash or some weird offshoot shwoogie. White trash like the south doesn't live in boston though, as that's a different thing altogether (southie and all that). Happened in a Subway/Bus station though. That screams shwoogie.

Sign me up for the evils being spooks, not whitey.

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Yeah! Got it. Can't beat me at GTR.
Well souf of Roxbury/Brookline... so ummmm....

When I first moved in the Baferston area filled up the car around that area... phoned my chick and she basically said get the fuck back in the car and out of that area. Did see a couple of young people on the corner in trench coats who did take notice of my Ontario plates for some reason... note at that time was unarmed and no GSD just the viscous attack Border Collie.
 

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The "homophobic slurs" in question were probably "faggot" and "cocksucker" (as far as I know, blacks don't usually say "queer"). It's highly possible that they were just using those terms as general insults rather than ones used to disparage the victim's sexuality. Then again, maybe they're just gay-hating gorillas. Either way, hate crime laws are bullshit.
 

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Either way, hate crime laws are bullshit.
Agreed. We have laws in place that cover violence. Just enforce them
and stop piling on the PC bullshit charges. If you beat, stab or shoot
someone then obviously you don't like them. Why you did it should not
matter when figuring out what penalty you should pay.
 

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Agreed. We have laws in place that cover violence. Just enforce them
and stop piling on the PC bullshit charges. If you beat, stab or shoot
someone then obviously you don't like them. Why you did it should not
matter when figuring out what penalty you should pay.
Even more than that, hate crimes laws strip the victims they seek to protect of their individuality and reduce them to whatever group they happen to belong to. The guys that killed Matthew Shepard should be in jail for killing Matthew Shepard, not for killing a gay man.
 

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Also, can everyone stop pretending that people who aren't racists will say racist things in anger? Please?
 

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Also, can everyone stop pretending that people who aren't racists will say racist things in anger? Please?
They do, sometimes. My dad loves Herman Cain and B.B. King, but he once referred to Johnnie Cochran as a "dumb nigger" when talking about the "if the glove don't fit" thing. (Specifically, that fact that it was raining the night of the OJ murders and the gloves were made of leather.)
 

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They do, sometimes. My dad loves Herman Cain and B.B. King, but he once referred to Johnnie Cochran as a "dumb nigger" when talking about the "if the glove don't fit" thing. (Specifically, that fact that it was raining the night of the OJ murders and the gloves were made of leather.)
Yeah, gotta agree with this one. Side note: I was really starting to think the filter on ****** had been removed, until I quoted AH's post. I guess more of us are just getting around the filter now.

As for the story, dumb cunts are dumb cunts. Toss 'em all in jail.
 

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i have walked right into black bars, mexican bars, meth bars.... i was never more scared than the time i walked into a lesbian bar. i was escorting 4 ladys, dressed to the nines and packing heat, i was still scared out of my skin those bitches were mean
 

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Lesbians are the craziest domestic calls ever. Most of the time the shit is done before we get there but god damn those bitches are batshit crazy and mean.
 

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oh i should add..... earlyer in the evning i was in a "men" gay bar, not an issue, as a matter of fact with in 20 mins i had a fella offering to blow me in the bathroom. the chick gay bar.... the box lickker door slit was bigger than me, and im not a lil fella
 

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Also, can everyone stop pretending that people who aren't racists will say racist things in anger? Please?
What are you smoking? People do that all the time.

I don't care if you don't have a racist bone in your body, if you get into a fight with a black man, chances are you will call him a nigger during it.
 

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What are you smoking? People do that all the time.

I don't care if you don't have a racist bone in your body, if you get into a fight with a black man, chances are you will call him a nigger during it.
And get charged with a hate crime. That's my point. There's a difference between a crime that is racially motivated, and one that isn't, but that has racial taunts or name calling involved. The hate crime law presumes that if you call someone a faggot as you kick him, and he turns out to be gay, you were gay bashing. That's retarded.
 

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And get charged with a hate crime. That's my point. There's a difference between a crime that is racially motivated, and one that isn't, but that has racial taunts or name calling involved. The hate crime law presumes that if you call someone a faggot as you kick him, and he turns out to be gay, you were gay bashing. That's retarded.
Oh, I misunderstood your point.
 

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Oh, I misunderstood your point.
Yeah. I'm totally on your side. It's like these people have never heard of pulling the A-Bomb on someone. You ALWAYS go for the worst thing you can think of. How else are you supposed to enrage them as much as you are at that moment?