Libya Scandal

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#2
Nice. Instead of just posting that link to one of the four Libya threads, lets just start a new one. :eek:
 

MayrMeninoCrash

Liberal Psycopath
#3
Shouldn't those guys be working on getting Americans back to work or extending tax cuts or something?
 

lajikal

Registered User
#5
I hate both parties about equally at this point.

Denying requests from the State Dept. to beef up embassy security is not something that should be glanced over, especially in hostile areas with very weak 'govts' to say the least.
It said in the previous two years, House Republicans voted to cut the Obama administration’s requests for embassy security by some $459 million.
 

Norm Stansfield

私は亀が好きだ。
#7
Nice. Instead of just posting that link to one of the four Libya threads, lets just start a new one. :eek:
It's probably for the best to start a new thread when there's a new development. I haven't looked, but I'm sure all the other ones have already been derailed by the usual bullshit. This is a nice new thread, everyone can look at the story without sifting through 100 posts of you and Mayr explaining how Bush did something kinda similar seven years, two months and 27 days ago.
 

CousinDave

Registered User
#8
Sounds like Hillary is about to throw BarackO under the bus, 'cause she isn't going to take the heat on this for him.
 

BIV

I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.
#9
It's probably for the best to start a new thread when there's a new development. I haven't looked, but I'm sure all the other ones have already been derailed by the usual bullshit. This is a nice new thread, everyone can look at the story without sifting through 100 posts of you and Mayr explaining how Bush did something kinda similar seven years, two months and 27 days ago.
Besides, it has that fresh, new thread smell.
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#11
Heh...video?! Wha...what video? Heh heh, you silly.


Kinda long, but this details what actually went down...

State Dept Reveals New Details of Benghazi Attack

WASHINGTON (AP) — All was quiet outside the U.S. Consulate as evening fell on Benghazi and President Barack Obama's envoy to Libya was retiring after a day of diplomatic meetings.
There was no indication of the harrowing events that night would bring: assailants storming the compound and setting its buildings aflame, American security agents taking fire across more than a mile of the city, the ambassador and three employees killed and others forced into a daring car escape against traffic.
Senior State Department officials on Tuesday revealed for the first time certain details of last month's tragedy in the former Libyan rebel stronghold, such as the efforts of a quick reaction force that rushed onto the scene and led the evacuation in a fierce gun battle that continued into the streets. The briefing was provided a day before department officials were to testify to a House committee about the most serious attack on a U.S. diplomatic installation since al-Qaida bombed the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania 14 years ago.
The account answers some questions and leaves others unanswered. Chief among them is why for several days the Obama administration said the assault stemmed from a protest against an American-made Internet video ridiculing Islam, and whether the consulate had adequate security.
The officials, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said Ambassador Chris Stevens arrived in Benghazi and held meetings on and off the consulate grounds on Sept. 10. He spent the night, and then out of prudence spent the whole of the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks meeting people inside the compound, an enclosed area about 300 yards long by 100 yards wide, with a 9-foot outer wall topped by barbed wire and augmented by barriers, steel drop bars and other security upgrades.
When Stevens finished his final meeting of the day, he escorted a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the building. The situation was calm, the officials said, and there were no protests. Five U.S. agents and four local militiamen were providing security.
A little more than an hour later, around 9:40 p.m., everything changed.
The compound's agents were alerted by loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks near the entrance for the local militiamen was burned down. In the control center, agents watched on cameras as a large group of armed men flowed into the compound. They immediately sounded the alarm and made telephone calls to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and the U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.
One agent, armed with a sidearm and an assault rifle, took Stevens and State Department computer specialist Sean Smith to a safe room inside one of the compound's two main residences — an area protected by a heavy metal grill and several locks and stocked with medical supplies and water. The other agents rushed to equip themselves with long guns, body armor, helmets and ammunition at other buildings. Two tried to make it to the building with Stevens but took fire and were forced to retreat.
The attackers began to overrun the compound, the officials recounted. The intruders penetrated Stevens' building and tried to break the grill locks for the safe room but couldn't gain access. So they dumped cans of diesel fuel in the building, lit furniture on fire and set aflame part of the exterior of the building.
In the compound's other residence, two agents barricaded themselves against the attackers who had gotten inside the building. The attackers failed to enter the tactical operations center, where the last two agents were located, smashing the door but failing to break it.
Meanwhile, Stevens' building rapidly filled with thick diesel smoke and fumes from the burning furniture. Inside, visibility was less than 3 feet and, unable to breathe, the Americans went to a bathroom and opened a window, trying to get air. They decided to get out of the building. The security agent went first, flopping out onto a patio enclosed by sandbags and taking fire immediately.
Stevens and Smith didn't make it out, the officials said. The agent, suffering severely from smoke inhalation, went in and out of the building several times to look for them — in vain. He then climbed a ladder to the roof of the building and collapsed, radioing the other agents in a barely audible voice to alert them to the situation there.
The other four agents were able to then reunite, taking an armored vehicle to Stevens' building. They reached the collapsed agent and tried to set up a perimeter, taking turns going into the building and searching on hands and knees for the missing Americans. Smith was pulled out, dead. Stevens could not be found.
A six-member quick reaction security team arrived on the scene from its compound across town, the officials said. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompanied the team, and it again tried to secure a perimeter around Stevens' building, taking turns searching inside. Taking fire, the Libyan forces determined they couldn't hold the perimeter. An evacuation plan was quickly put in place to retreat to the reaction force's compound.
The evacuation proved anything but easy. Agents piled into an armored vehicle with Smith's body, facing immediate fire as they left through the main gate. Crowds and groups of men blocked two different routes to the security compound, so the Americans looked for an alternate way through heavy traffic at a speed of about 15 mph, so they wouldn't attract attention.
On a narrow street, according to officials, the agents reached a group of men who signaled for them to enter a compound. They sensed an ambush and sped away, but not before taking heavy fire from AK-47 machine guns at a distance of only 2 feet and hand grenades thrown against and under the car. Two tires were blown out.
They raced past another crowd of men and onto a main street, crossing a grassy median into opposing traffic. The agents then drove against oncoming traffic, eventually reaching their compound.
Once there they had to endure several more hours of intermittent gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades fired their way.
A team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrived on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reached the security compound.
But the Americans could do little when their main building was hit by mortar fire around 4 a.m. Two security personnel were killed, and one agent who had been involved in the earlier fighting was severely wounded.
The men decided to leave the city. They spent the next hours securing the annex and moving a large convoy of vehicles to the airport.
They flew out on two planes.
"But...but Big Bird!"
 

Party Rooster

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#13
It's probably for the best to start a new thread when there's a new development. I haven't looked, but I'm sure all the other ones have already been derailed by the usual bullshit. This is a nice new thread, everyone can look at the story without sifting through 100 posts of you and Mayr explaining how Bush did something kinda similar seven years, two months and 27 days ago.
It was more a comment of just being a lazy ass and only posting a link to start a new thread without posting the article. And you'd be wrong about your assumptions, as usual.
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#14
Heh...video?! Wha...what video? Heh heh, you silly.


Kinda long, but this details what actually went down...



"But...but Big Bird!"
That safe room probably would have been ok if it was stocked with gas masks and/or oxygen tanks.
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#15
It was more a comment of just being a lazy ass and only posting a link to start a new thread without posting the article. And you'd be wrong about your assumptions, as usual.
Yeah, and it's more HHD and MagicBob that commit thread derails these days anyway. OAPC just posts goalie deflection gifs and stupid memes. :cool:
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#16
That safe room probably would have been ok if it was stocked with gas masks and/or oxygen tanks.
Yeah, it sounds like they flushed him out with the smoke. Even without the smoke though...they were still outnumbered and basically screwed. I'm sure those "evil-doers" were getting in there eventually. And it doesn't look like they wanted to take him hostage or anything. Looks like they just wanted to mow everyone down.
 

mascan42

Registered User
#17
That safe room probably would have been ok if it was stocked with gas masks and/or oxygen tanks.
FFS, ANYTIME a safe room is featured in a movie, it's ALWAYS breached by gassing the occupants until they open up. If it's that much of a cliche, shouldn't someone have come up with a solution to it IRL by now?
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#19
Yeah, and it's more HHD and MagicBob that commit thread derails these days anyway. OAPC just posts goalie deflection gifs and stupid memes. :cool:
It's all I have time for anymore. This new job is really cutting into my WB time. Today's my first day off in 8 days, so I can derail threads and post proper walls of text complete with graphs for a few hours now. :cool:

Yeah, it sounds like they flushed him out with the smoke. Even without the smoke though...they were still outnumbered and basically screwed. I'm sure those "evil-doers" were getting in there eventually. And it doesn't look like they wanted to take him hostage or anything. Looks like they just wanted to mow everyone down.
I don't know, it sounds like it was pretty well fortified and they MIGHT have had a chance to at least of surviving when the savages had to deal with the reinforcements that showed up. Might have been able to catch them by surprise that way too.

I'm not as upset with the lack of security that wasn't there as I am with the administration lying about the reason for attack. It's horrible that four people died but they did ask for more appropriations for more security (which was denied by House Republicans), but it sounds like even if they had double the security they would probably still have been outnumbered. And it's not like Hillary and Obama didn't try, and they were even able to get some of the cuts back when it went to the Senate.

For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9a411c-1258-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#20
It's all I have time for anymore. This new job is really cutting into my WB time. Today's my first day off in 8 days, so I can derail threads and post proper walls of text complete with graphs for a few hours now. :cool:
Heh..."job" huh? That must be nice. ;)

oandapartycock said:
I don't know, it sounds like it was pretty well fortified and they MIGHT have had a chance to at least of surviving when the savages had to deal with the reinforcements that showed up. Might have been able to catch them by surprise that way too.
I agree, it's hard to tell without really knowing what happened...how many were storming the place and if they didn't come up with the idea of lighting the place on fire and smoking them out, how determined were they to get in there to kill Stevens? How fortified was the safe room? Tough call.

oandapartycock said:
I'm not as upset with the lack of security that wasn't there as I am with the administration lying about the reason for attack. It's horrible that four people died but they did ask for more appropriations for more security (which was denied by House Republicans), but it sounds like even if they had double the security they would probably still have been outnumbered. And it's not like Hillary and Obama didn't try, and they were even able to get some of the cuts back when it went to the Senate.
You basically covered what went on in the hearing today, probably without even seeing it, I guess. I blew the dust off my remote and actually broke away from FNC to check out CSPAN ;). The democrats on the panel tried to hone in on the fact that security at this facility and other embassies around the world have become light, thanks in part, to Republican cuts. The Republicans meanwhile, focused on the lie about this video and trying to figure out both, why they lied and who's idea was it to lie. We obviously never got the answer...any time Ambassador Kennedy was pressed on it...he just claimed that it was still confidential or just said along the lines of, "hey, I knew early on that it was a terrorist attack, I can't speak for Rice or the adminstration."

I now don't really think it had much to do about them trying to deflect from the fact that it was a terrorist attack about 2 months before the election (when they had been claiming they've got al Qaeda on the run). I do however, suspect perhaps the administration may have known that an attack was imminent, and they just didn't react in time or didn't pay attention to it. And instead of owning up to it and admitting they screwed up, they used the video as their excuse and that it was "spontaneous" and kinda trying to make the story go away. That's the most logical explanation I can come up with...especially considering the election is right around the corner and they do not want to appear weak or too relaxed.
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#21
I also should add...this makes us look like complete imbeciles and completely vulnerable to another attack.

These groups know damn well why they stormed our consulate and it wasn't about some bullshit 2 month old video. Yet there's Obama, Clinton, and Rice saying it was this video and groveling and apologizing for this dumb American making this stupid trailer. Now, they're basically PROMOTING this stupid video and drawing attention to it...perhaps pissing these psychopath Muslims off even more. That's fucked up. We look like complete unorganized, stupid dumbasses to the radical Muslim world over this.

Not only that...but let's just say (and I am absolutely not saying this is the case)...that a terrorist group(s) are planning a larger scale attack on this country and this attack is merely a test to see how we react. Quite simply...the response we had is not the kind of response you'd want to have. Not at all.
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#22
Heh..."job" huh? That must be nice. ;)
Oh noes! Don't tell me you're going back to collecting those Obama Checks again...

I now don't really think it had much to do about them trying to deflect from the fact that it was a terrorist attack about 2 months before the election (when they had been claiming they've got al Qaeda on the run). I do however, suspect perhaps the administration may have known that an attack was imminent, and they just didn't react in time or didn't pay attention to it. And instead of owning up to it and admitting they screwed up, they used the video as their excuse and that it was "spontaneous" and kinda trying to make the story go away. That's the most logical explanation I can come up with...especially considering the election is right around the corner and they do not want to appear weak or too relaxed.
That's what I was thinking too. I guess this officially buries the investigation into Fast and Furious. The Republicans sure caught a break when the Inspector General's report came out and couldn't find any dirt on Obama or Holder really. It's going to be really hard to spin this one as good when they share some of the blame for the lax security.

I also should add...this makes us look like complete imbeciles and completely vulnerable to another attack.
I disagree. At least in the short term before the election. They've got to realize that we were forced to beef up our security and aside from a possible car bomb going off outside the perimeters and only savages dying, I can't see them trying anything right now.
 

Begbie

Wackbag Generalissimo
#23
Oh noes! Don't tell me you're going back to collecting those Obama Checks again...
LOL, Eh, no, still trying to juggle the family business with my dad and be a stay at home dad. It's not easy though...I wear many hats. :)

oandapartycock said:
]That's what I was thinking too. I guess this officially buries the investigation into Fast and Furious. The Republicans sure caught a break when the Inspector General's report came out and couldn't find any dirt on Obama or Holder really. It's going to be really hard to spin this one as good when they share some of the blame for the lax security.
It's just a mess. And in listening to today's hearing, it's enough to drive anyone up the wall.

oandapartycock said:
I disagree. At least in the short term before the election. They've got to realize that we were forced to beef up our security and aside from a possible car bomb going off outside the perimeters and only savages dying, I can't see them trying anything right now.
I see what you mean. But even if they're not gearing up for an attack...our reaction and response to the Libya attack makes us look ridiculous. If I'm a terrorist named Akmed Begbie...I'm having a good laugh right now watching the American POTUS and Secretary of State releasing an apologetic video blaming my attack on the consulate on some video I've never even seen and could care less about. Again, I'm not saying an attack could happen...but we didn't exactly have a very coordinated response from this Libyan attack.
 

Party Rooster

Unleash The Beast
#24
LOL, Eh, no, still trying to juggle the family business with my dad and be a stay at home dad. It's not easy though...I wear many hats. :)
I'll bet one of them has had doodie in it at some point this year...;)

Again, I'm not saying an attack could happen...but we didn't exactly have a very coordinated response from this Libyan attack.
Clutzy Call™. :cool:

Edit:
Damn, I went to register www.ClutzyCall.com and it already redirects to the Mitt Romney campaign website. :meh:
 
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#25
It was more a comment of just being a lazy ass and only posting a link to start a new thread without posting the article. And you'd be wrong about your assumptions, as usual.
I posted from my phone. You can't summon up enough energy to click a link and I'm the lazy ass?
Candy won't answer questions on this, mumbling bullshit about investigations and whatnot. Take 1 day to find out who at State shot down the request for security. And the disingenuous implication the republicans are to blame is frankly offensive. You libs really trying to say Ambassador Stevens called for help and somebody told him "sorry, the piggy banks empty, tough shit" ?
 
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