Discussion in 'Computer and Console Gaming' started by SOS, Aug 28, 2007.
I wish they would quit this joke of a cover-up for the real space program. What horse-shit.
what ever it takes to make kids what to go into space im all for it. no matter how hokie
Good point. I agree.
Wow, I am a big Star Wars fan and that is just corny and dumb.
Why do I see Ocean's Twelve in this? While a knockoff is used during the ceremonies, the original will just be driven over by some guy.
Nice to see good money put to good use :icon_roll
Yeah, I see your point, but why isn't space exploration cool enough on its own without some dumb fucking movie prop? If that's what it takes to get new people interested, I think we're doomed in yet another way.
Because it's not space exploration. It's launch, orbit, land. If we were really exploring, kids would be into it. Even young kids know that the space shuttle is a scam.
They are finishing the Space Shuttle Program up in 2010 - Endeavour is set to fly the last mission (STS-130). At that point, all of the Space Shuttles will be decommissioned. Then they are starting with Orion-class spacecraft which, in my opinion, look very similar to what NASA used in the Apollo Program.
I don't really like that they take nonsense items up there with them. On this last Endeavour flight, they took 10 million cinnamon basil seeds up with them and back. They are to be distributed among the nations school students. Why? What for? How much money did that cost us?
The big problem with The Space Shuttle Program is that they never gave the public any kind of visible goal. Like with The Apollo Program, the goal was to land on the moon. With The Space Shuttle Program, NASA didn't even bother to work the International Space Station angle with the public - that's not as interesting as landing on the Moon or another planet, but it's still something. Instead they tried to work these milestone angles, like The First Teacher in Space Program or having the first married couple in space.
With that being said, NASA is still my favorite government program/organization.
Look at what our government did with jets. When they told us about the F-117, it had already been in use for 10 years with nobody knowing a thing about it. I find it hard to believe that our government didn't spend a ton of black-budget dollars on space programs. They kept the shuttle around for over 30 years, and are only replacing it because they know the people are sick of it. This new Orion project is just another version of a dumbed down space program to cover up the real one. I would bet you that our government has been to all the planets in our solar system, and perhaps even out of our solar system. I know it's hard to believe for some people. I've always thought this about the space program. Then one day I heard John Lear talk about it. Mr Lear and others seam to believe it also.
I don't know about us traveling to all of the planets, but I'm sure you're right about black-ops in space. Like I'm sure we have missiles in space.
I think if we had the capability to travel to other planets, you would see smaller versions of that technology in some form. One of the big problems with the Space Program is that there is so much bureaucracy that comes along with it. The reason why we were able to pull off what we did in the 1960's so quickly is because we didn't put a project on hold if someone decided that a different electrical panel was required. Now you have to check with everybody and sometimes, to avoid that kind of bureaucracy, those minor problems are ignored. And then you lose two probes and Mars rover after years of hard work and god knows how much money.
Someone had to say it.:icon_mrgr
more importantly, theyre bringing an italian nome with them
nah man, that would actually be a good thing, what theyre really spending our tax dollars on is building giant nuclear missiles in space in preparation for the final world war
seriously though, considering nasa's not even as old as my mom its not surprising they haven't accomplished much, especially knowing how long it takes to get something done in this country
I feel like even a bigger loser now for having a star wars tat
I'm also getting tired of this huge Mars push. Mars is a dead world, a money sink. We need to make a push for Europa where we might actually find some sort of life.
There are more things on Mars then you think.
Some replies, in no particular order and to no particular people:
1. I am not a Star Wars fan (hate the movie actually), but i bet that there are lots of people out there that are interested in space exploration, at least in part, because of the movie. Unless the thing weighs a few hundred pounds and takes loads of shelf space, I don't see what the big deal is in paying a little homage to the movie.
2. We accomplished so much in the 60s because we were willing to spend ANY amount of money to get things accomplished (i.e. travel to the moon) in order to beat the Soviets. With no competition, its a lot harder justifying these projects to the American public. Yes, I know....if we took the money we spent in Iraq we could [INSERT BIG BUDGET PROJECT HERE]. Still, that's the reason we don't see those types of projects coming from NASA (until China does it, then we'll see those again).
3. I don't think we have secret space projects. We're not seeing anything spectacular because (I believe) technology to grow logarithmically (click for definition). Airplanes from the 60's were far better than airplanes from the 20's, but not far different than what we have today. Computers of the late 90's were far better than computers of the late 80s, but not far different than what we have today, etc.
Space exploration, at least as we know it today, will improve much slower than it did in the 50s and 60s.
Do you realize that computers double in speed every 2 years? I guess you don't.
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1. No, the number of transistors doubles every two years, which does not necessarily translate to a doubling of speed. In fact, that pesky thermodynamics is getting in the way, which is why you're not seeing 6Ghz computers now. They had to increase the number of CPU cores, each working at the same speeds we had 4 years ago.
2. While computers are undoubtedly faster than they were 10 years ago, how much more work are you accomplishing? Does Office 2007 let you type more papers than office 97? The measure of performance is not how many clock cycles your computer can churn out, but how much work you actually get done.
Wait, didn't they take Fonzi's Leather Jacket into space in the 80's?
there's no doubt they fuck with us though, they put one product up for sale as they are halfway through developing an upgrade, that can be said for any product and they do it little by little to secure the future of the company, especially with video games one thing that sucks about competition is that while it drives productivity it also limits the amount of ideas and developments shared between companies working on the same product, which is why our medicine stinks. and yet I dont think any of this applies to the space program
In general, looks like some marketing "pros" finally got some juice in NASA. All the little Star Wars appearances reek of it. BUT, maybe they need to do it that way, the general ignorance of any form of science in this country may require it today. I'm at the point of thinking that anything that makes a kid wonder about something, anything is worth it
But if it lights the smallest of embers in some kid's mind it's worth it. We need the next generation of scientists.
What do you think the weight requirement was those seeds? Marginal, maybe , when compared to all the other things they carried. But, again, it goes back to trying to develop a future generation of scientists.
Maybe the Shuttle program didn't produce a break through technology but, I have no doubt that it added advances to reusable space technology and, it did support the ISS which is developing it's own science and advances for living in space.
Excellent point both with the space race against the Soviets in the 60s and the future race we may see against the Chinese.
With respect to all, as I see it today, kids are neither challenged or inspired. I'm not an educator but I do see what our educational system produces. What we need is to inspire some kids to jump just a little higher than the bar that was set for them. If this stunt does the trick, well done to NASA.
A shit load. The work I do, back in the 90s they had rooms full of computers just to do it. It's not my fault that all you know is MS Word.