Limbaugh's "Phony Soldier" Remarks

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And before people start saying how the Democrats are only going after poor conservative Limbaugh, they overwhelmingly condemned a liberal moveon.org ad last week because it didn't get General Petrelli warm and fuzzy feelings.

But this is getting ridiculous between last week's condemnation and this week's wannabe condemnation. There's a war going on, there are so many legitimate problems in this country and we are nitpicking Nancies. Messageboards are encouraged to eat their own; Congress should not waste their time on this shit.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top Democrat in the Senate slammed Rush Limbaugh Monday over his recent controversial "phony soldiers" remark, despite the conservative talk-radio host's protests that his words have been taken out of context.

Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh said his comments were taken out of context.

Limbaugh's comments in question came Wednesday when Limbaugh and a caller were discussing critics of the Iraq war:

"What's really funny is, they [Iraq war critics] never talk to real soldiers," the caller said. "They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media."

"The phony soldiers," Limbaugh then said.

Several Democrats released statements late last week condemning the remarks, and in a speech on the Senate floor Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called the comments "so beyond the pale of decency that it cannot be left alone."

"Just as patriotism is the exclusive realm of neither party, taking a stand against those who spew hate and impugn the integrity of our troops is a job that belongs to all of us," Reid said.

"I can't help but wonder how my Republican colleagues would have reacted if the tables were turned -- if a well-known Democratic radio personality had used the same insulting line of attack against troops who support the war," the Nevada Democrat added.

Reid, along with several other Democrats, also plan to send a letter to Clear Channel Communications CEO Mark Mays this week, calling on him to formally condemn Limbaugh's comments.

Limbaugh blasted Reid on Monday, saying on his radio program, "These people have had three, four days now to learn the truth about this, and they no doubt know the truth, which doesn't matter."

"What they are trying to do is flood a false story into the Drive-By Media and have that survive and suffice as the evidence and as the story of what I said when it wasn't," he added.

Responding to his critics on Friday's show, Limbaugh said he was "taken out of context," adding his remark was referring to one soldier specifically -- Jesse MacBeth, a vocal war critic who falsely claimed to have served in Iraq.

"The effort here is simply to discredit people that they consider effective and powerful on the right ginning up, leading up into the '08 elections," Limbaugh said Friday.

Speaking on his radio show Friday, Limbaugh called the Democratic attacks on him "a smear" and said "this is is a great illustration of the liberals and the Democrat Party playbook for '08, which is underway now."

On Thursday, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, a veteran of the Vietnam War, called the comments a "disgusting attack."

"In a single moment on his show, Limbaugh managed to question the patriotism of men and women in uniform who have put their lives on the line and many who died for his right to sit safely in his air-conditioned studio peddling hate," Kerry said in a statement.

The controversy over Limbaugh's statement comes after the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org accused the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, in full page ad in the New York Times last month of "cooking the books for the White House" in his testimony to Congress last week.

Last week, the House voted 341-79 to condemn the liberal group's recent newspaper ad dubbing Petraeus "General Betray Us?" The Senate also approved a resolution condemning the ad on a vote of 72-25.

MoveOn.org said it stands by its ad.

"With every passing day, more information comes to light casting more and more doubt on the validity of the facts and conclusions presented by Gen. Petraeus in his testimony before Congress," Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org's Executive Director, said in a statement released after the House vote Wednesday.
 

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can't stand that fucking hypocrite.
 

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Why face the tough issues when you can spend your legislative time fucking around with things like this.


For the record though, there's no media 'smear' against fatso. His out of context would have been fine if he didn't refer to Jesse MacBeth until almost 3 minutes after his phony soldiers comment. The comment was used while they were talking about how 'real' soldiers who are behind the war and 'phony' soldiers aren't. Basically in it's true context it was like saying 'real men' and 'pussies'.

Fuck that fatty.
 

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But this is getting ridiculous between last week's condemnation and this week's wannabe condemnation. There's a war going on, there are so many legitimate problems in this country and we are nitpicking Nancies. Messageboards are encouraged to eat their own; Congress should not waste their time on this shit.
QFT

And again we are treated to the political cluelessness of the Demorats. Didja HAVE TO have John Kerry be the guy to speak out on this? So we can argue about Winter Soldier for the millionth time???
 

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jessie washed out of boot camp after 40 days.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/anti-war-youtub.html

Anti-War YouTube 'Vet' Admits He Is Faker


September 21, 2007 3:11 PM

Brian Ross and Vic Walter Report:

Antiwaryoutub_mn A Washington man, whose claims to have slaughtered civilians as a U.S. Army Ranger in Iraq were seen by millions on YouTube, admitted in federal court in Seattle today that he was a fake and a liar.

Jesse Adam Macbeth, 23, pleaded guilty to charges he faked his war record.

"He was in the Army for 40 days before he was kicked out of boot camp for being unfit," said U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan. "He was never in Iraq."

Macbeth's story of killing men and women as they left a Baghdad mosque included claims that he was a U.S. Army Ranger and had received the Purple Heart for injuries suffered in combat in Iraq.

His interview was translated into Arabic and distributed in the Middle East, said the U.S. attorney.

"Macbeth's lies fueled hostility to our servicemen in Iraq and here at home," Sullivan said.


Federal prosecutors and investigators with the Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Veterans Affairs say they are in the midst of a crackdown on phony heroes.

"The phony war hero phenomenon plagues the American landscape and tarnishes the service of thousands of veterans who have served honorable," said Douglas Carver, special agent in charge of the VA's inspector general operation in the west.


In another recent case, investigators uncovered a man who posed as a U.S. Marine Chaplain, officiating at the weddings and funerals of Marines.

Reggie Lee Buddle, 59, of Puyallup, Wash., was sentenced to two years of probation in July after pleading guilty to charges he wore a Marine Captain's uniform and insignia.

Buddle, who never served in the Marines, participated in an opening ceremony of the Washington state Senate last year, delivering the opening prayer.

Macbeth, the phony U.S. soldier who claimed to have committed atrocities, was sentenced to five months in jail.

He told the judge today he wanted to apologize to "the real American heroes."

He said he lied about his military record in order to get money and treatment from the VA hospital.
 

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jessie washed out of boot camp after 40 days.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/anti-war-youtub.html

Anti-War YouTube 'Vet' Admits He Is Faker


September 21, 2007 3:11 PM

Brian Ross and Vic Walter Report:

Antiwaryoutub_mn A Washington man, whose claims to have slaughtered civilians as a U.S. Army Ranger in Iraq were seen by millions on YouTube, admitted in federal court in Seattle today that he was a fake and a liar.

Jesse Adam Macbeth, 23, pleaded guilty to charges he faked his war record.

"He was in the Army for 40 days before he was kicked out of boot camp for being unfit," said U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan. "He was never in Iraq."

Macbeth's story of killing men and women as they left a Baghdad mosque included claims that he was a U.S. Army Ranger and had received the Purple Heart for injuries suffered in combat in Iraq.

His interview was translated into Arabic and distributed in the Middle East, said the U.S. attorney.

"Macbeth's lies fueled hostility to our servicemen in Iraq and here at home," Sullivan said.


Federal prosecutors and investigators with the Office of the Inspector General for the Department of Veterans Affairs say they are in the midst of a crackdown on phony heroes.

"The phony war hero phenomenon plagues the American landscape and tarnishes the service of thousands of veterans who have served honorable," said Douglas Carver, special agent in charge of the VA's inspector general operation in the west.


In another recent case, investigators uncovered a man who posed as a U.S. Marine Chaplain, officiating at the weddings and funerals of Marines.

Reggie Lee Buddle, 59, of Puyallup, Wash., was sentenced to two years of probation in July after pleading guilty to charges he wore a Marine Captain's uniform and insignia.

Buddle, who never served in the Marines, participated in an opening ceremony of the Washington state Senate last year, delivering the opening prayer.

Macbeth, the phony U.S. soldier who claimed to have committed atrocities, was sentenced to five months in jail.

He told the judge today he wanted to apologize to "the real American heroes."

He said he lied about his military record in order to get money and treatment from the VA hospital.
good job niko
 

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Thanks for the links nik.

Limbaugh is right about Jesse Macbeth. I remember first reading about that when the blogs were exposing that guy. He's a douche. But Limbaugh contradicts himself in that video. He says "Phony SoldierS" plural. Yet in his preface to the clip in context he claims it was in reference to one soldier.

Hows that for nitpicking? :)
 

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QFT

And again we are treated to the political cluelessness of the Demorats. Didja HAVE TO have John Kerry be the guy to speak out on this? So we can argue about Winter Soldier for the millionth time???
QFT x 2. Bringing Bucky back from the dead was fucking retarded.
 

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And before people start saying how the Democrats are only going after poor conservative Limbaugh, they overwhelmingly condemned a liberal moveon.org ad last week because it didn't get General Petrelli warm and fuzzy feelings.
Whoa. Slow down.

I don't think it's fair to say that Democrats 'overwhelmingly' voted for that resolution. In fact, a look at the roll shows that 24 Democrat Senators voted against it. Obama was too much of a pussy to vote one way or another, and then afterwards bragged about how he was smart for not taking a stance on the issue.

You might be referring to the House, though, which did overwhelmingly pass such a resolution. The roll can be found here. Of note, all of the 79 votes against the resolution came from one party. Protip: it wasn't Republicans.

I'm not a fan of Rush Limbaugh; I find the man to be an ass, and I'm quite proud of the fact that I don't think I've ever heard more than a minute or two of his godawful program at any given point (pretty much the most I hear of his show is when he says something which gets media attention like this). But in this case? He really is the victim of a manufactured controversy, perpetrated by groups like Media Matters, who should sound familiar to you, considering they had a hand in doing Imus in.

In this regard, Rush is actually right. There have been several cases of the hardcore anti-war crowd championing individuals who profess to be soldiers, who detail all sorts of war crimes our military is allegedly caring out in Iraq, and time after time, these individuals are exposed as liars. Some have NEVER been in the service, others had been but their stories don't hold up for whatever reason (often times, it's because the individual claims to have witnessed war crimes in places they were never stationed in or even visited). Remember Scott Beauchamp? He was just the latest in a long line of this sort of phenomenon, only his exposure was so spectacular that he's singlehandedly all but destroyed whatever credibility The New Republic once had.

That's the context Rush was talking about when he said "phony soldiers". And I know, Rush is a douche, but he deserves the same benefit of the doubt, to have his remarks taken in context, that someone like Imus deserved with regards to "nappy headed ho."

But this is getting ridiculous between last week's condemnation and this week's wannabe condemnation. There's a war going on, there are so many legitimate problems in this country and we are nitpicking Nancies. Messageboards are encouraged to eat their own; Congress should not waste their time on this shit.
Hey, do you remember a week or two ago, when all of the Democrats were telling us that the uproar over the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad was a lot of false outrage, and was distracting us from the real debate over Iraq (even though basically the entire MONTH of September was nothing but one big debate over Iraq)? What a difference a week makes. I don't see them saying the same about this Rush situation now.

I agree that this is a waste of time. But it's not without its purpose. See, it turns out that the MoveOn.org ad was VERY effective, only in ways that Democrats never intended. And, speaking of the debate on Iraq, this whole controversy may be because Democrats need a distraction from this.

The most delicious irony of all (other than Harry Reid questioning Limbaugh's patriotism - hey wait, THAT sounds familiar....), Senator Tom Harkin, who really laid into Rush today with some vicious ad hominem attacks, seems to be a bit of a phony war hero himself.
 

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This boils down to regardless of your politcal leanings, the man said something and should'nt have to apologize for it. There was nothing wrong with the Moveon.org ads either.

I'm so sick of these idiots in the Media and now even worse in the government doing this. If the government gets involved it actually can become a First amendment issue.
 

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I really believe Media Matters wants to shut down talk radio. They can get rid of Imus. Follow the money, follow the money.

When a group of people can't discuss issues on facts, they attempt to smear the mouthpiece.

Whoever said..."when the debate is lost, slander becomes the speech of the day." had a good point.


Edit...

And how can we forget how some groups tried to get the bbboys fired for the Homeless Charlie comment? We all know that the media forgot to mention all the facts of that one.
 

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Wow, lots of words and things to read. Let me try to sum this up

Non issues. Rush said something that got idiots upset. No smearing conspiracies going on anywhere. Lots of assholes. Creating problems where there are none. Rush pointing out a phony who faked their enlistment and gained media attention. Diverting attention. Rush applauding real soldiers who are in the sandbox. Bunch of congress members, mostly democrats not acknowledging context, only looking at what's between the quotation marks. Non issues. Nothing surprising here. Hot air. Everyone here hates rush. Non issue. Republicans. Democrats. Iraq. Free speech. Non issue.
 

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Remember, he can only go so long without seeing his name in the media.

Hell remember that 'going deaf' stunt he pulled a while back?
 

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It's been said before, but I'm just saying it in agreement: Rush, douche. Moveon.org, douches. The government shouldn't be wasting time and tax money on this shit though.

Bunch of cunts.
 

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Fucking Media Matters needs to shut the fuck up. A buck of agenda driven cocksuckers. And the MoveOn bullshit has been happening all through history. During the Civil War newspapers and the equivalent to MoveOn back then would hold public rallies against generals if the leadership was not what they wanted.
 

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the liberal smear campaign is in full effect on this one

there is a reason he is the most listened to radio talk show host in the world...because he is RIGHT!...on the other side..there is a reason air america was such a fuckin bomb...no one wants to listen to their lies
 

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he was speaking specifically of fake phony ranger jessie mcbeth.

[media]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5598930054847637875&q=jessie+mcbeth&total=33&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3[/media]

fraud exposed-
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7Yk8eMh8E[/media]

rush limbaughs comments in context-
[media]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Il0TJflq0&mode=related&search=[/media]

Actually it depends on how much of what he said you heard..
 

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the liberal smear campaign is in full effect on this one

there is a reason he is the most listened to radio talk show host in the world...because he is RIGHT!...on the other side..there is a reason air america was such a fuckin bomb...no one wants to listen to their lies
I prefer "The Savage Nation" over Hush Bimbo. I love when Jimmy made an total ass-cunt out of Al Franken when he was on the show, and Al didn't even know it. Janine Garafolo should get cunt cancer, I despise that scunt.
 

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i personally don't like rush, but why does it always have to be rednecks are the only conservatives/republicans?
White liberals are a bunch of phonies when it comes to diversity and tolerance, it is will accepted as long it does not involve their schools, social clubs, housing developments, etc.
 

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White liberals are a bunch of phonies when it comes to diversity and tolerance, it is will accepted as long it does not involve their schools, social clubs, housing developments, etc.
well that's cause they're better than you and know what's best for everyone....and they're elitist assholes