Looking to buy my first pistol

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I'm filling out my Firearms Purchaser ID card app with pistol purchase permit. yeah jersey makes you get another permit for each hand gun you want to buy max 3 at a time AND if you don't buy a pistol within 90 days of the permit being issued you need to reapply and pay again. At least their cheap I think it's $5 per pistol permit iirc form isn't in front of me.

ANYWAY I want to buy my first handgun for sport shooting/home defense and I wanted your guys opinion. My price range is the $450-$550. I want an auto not a revolver. What are some quality pistols do you guys think I should check out in that range. I was looking at the Springfield XDm but I don't know if they are any good plus I'd like some other options. I'm also undecided on what size round I should go with. .45ACP and 9mm what I'm considering because I'm told they are relatively inexpensive vs say a .40. Any and all input is greatly appreciated. If you could include a picture or a link to any pistols recommended I'd appreciate that too. Beings it's impossible to get a CCW permit I have no need for a sub compact so those can be left off of recommendations. Also a few details would be bonus
 

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I personally love glocks. My first gun was a Glock 36 it's a no thrills sub compact. 45 but I currently carry a keltek p32 it's fucking tiny and easily concealed.
 

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I personally love glocks. My first gun was a Glock 36 it's a no thrills sub compact. 45 but I currently carry a keltek p32 it's fucking tiny and easily concealed.
What's in a full size? Is it in my price range?
 

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If it's not for carry, I'm of the opinion that a 1911 (.45) is a great first handgun. A decent 1911 will probably cost you more than a Glock though.

I own a lower-end Kimber (which is still pretty damn good) that cost me ~$1,000 when I bought it 6-7 years ago. I'm not sure what quality of 1911 you can buy for $550 (I'm assuming that's after fees and taxes)... I haven't shopped around for a while. With that price range a Glock is probably the way to go.
 

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well since i am 3-4 months into owning my 1st handgun (but i have used several from gun ranges) i cant find anything wrong with my FNH FNS-9MM and fits in your price range. i also think my wifes S&W shield 9MM is freaking awesome....but the grip is a little small for my hand but i have adapted to it.


my wife also loves our buddies glock 19 she is planning on getting 1 to add to the collection.
 

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If it's not for carry, I'm of the opinion that a 1911 (.45) is a great first handgun. A decent 1911 will probably cost you more than a Glock though.

I own a lower-end Kimber (which is still pretty damn good) that cost me ~$1,000 when I bought it 6-7 years ago. I'm not sure what quality of 1911 you can buy for $550 (I'm assuming that's after fees and taxes)... I haven't shopped around for a while. With that price range a Glock is probably the way to go.
Yeah I haven't found any 1911s for under $700 around here. I also don't really want a 1911 because it only holds 8rds(?). I'm looking for a little more capacity. My price range is before 7% nj sales tax and as far as I'm aware the only fee related to a purchase (after getting your permit) is the background check you have to get at the shop. Which is kinda silly if you ask me beings you have to get a background check to get your pistol purchase permit to begin with.
 

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well since i am 3-4 months into owning my 1st handgun (but i have used several from gun ranges) i cant find anything wrong with my FNH FNS-9MM and fits in your price range. i also think my wifes S&W shield 9MM is freaking awesome....but the grip is a little small for my hand but i have adapted to it.


my wife also loves our buddies glock 19 she is planning on getting 1 to add to the collection.
Any pix of either of them? Also is FNH the brand name or the model name?
 

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Take a basic handgun safety course (even if NJ doesn't require it). Even better take an advanced handgun or defensive handgun course.

Find a range that will let you rent out pistols to shoot. Handle a whole lot of them, and pick 2-4 to shoot. Find the one that fits your hands the best and shoots well for you.

Do some research into that pistol, and the second best. Don't buy a gun with a history of reliability problems, or one where ammo may be hard to find. See what aftermarket and factory parts are available, and how much magazines generally cost (and how easy they are to find).

Go back and shoot them again, as well as a couple you didn't shoot before.

If you still like your #1 choice, buy it. If not, go back to step 2 and try again.

Listening to people on the internet that swear Gun A (no matter what gun it is) is the best thing since sliced bread is like trying to learn how to fuck by listening to porn. Get out there and try some for yourself, as there is a LOT of personal preference involved.
 

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Im going to do all that but I know you guys a pretty knowledgeable and I know the odds of being recommended a unreliable weapon here is unlikely. Im asking this stuff to compile a list to check out to see if I like any of them and go from there. Also in nj stores won't let you handle a gun in any way without a firearm purchasers ID card first (the ones around me anyway) and I'm applying for my pistol purchase permit at the same time which has an expiration date (90 days from issue) so I'm trying to cut down on my search time so I'm not still looking for a good piece when it's about to expire
 

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All my friends were telling me to buy a Kimber 1911..my dad gave me his Remington 1911...I fired both and was unimpressed by the Kimber...It jammed 3 times in 100 rounds where the Remington jammed once. I didn't like the feel of it in my hand either..but I am a leftie and grew up on the Remington...go shoot a few different types to see what works best for you. ..
 

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...go shoot a few different types to see what works best for you. ..
Yes I know. Like I said I'm just looking for recommendations to try to cut down on my search time. Read my pervious on why I'm trying to cut down the search time
 

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All my friends were telling me to buy a Kimber 1911..my dad gave me his Remington 1911...I fired both and was unimpressed by the Kimber...It jammed 3 times in 100 rounds where the Remington jammed once. I didn't like the feel of it in my hand either..but I am a leftie and grew up on the Remington...go shoot a few different types to see what works best for you. ..
Kimber has gone to shit in the last few years.

Tattered, in your price range, you're most likely looking at Glock, S&W M&P, SIG PRO (Stay away from the P250), as well as used Berettas (92 and 96 series), possibly SIG P22x series, and maybe used HK USPs. I would also suggest keeping an eye out for used (in good shape) S&W revolvers. For a new shooter, I would NOT suggest going with a sub-compact of any kind (including the J-Frame type revolvers), as the recoil tends to be sharper, and you have a smaller grip to help keep it under control. That's also why I wouldn't suggest any of the pocket-sized 380s (Plus we are likely to see extended issues with 380 ammo availability - and it's plain anemic for self defense use.)

Like I said, try out plenty of pistols, and then do the research into the ones you liked. 90 days should be plenty of time to nail down a good choice.
 

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Thanks. Any particular models in those brands you recommend? As I said I want a full size beings getting ccw in nj is impossible (literally we have NYCs standards to get one) for the avg person I have no need to even look at a sub compact.

Also am I correct in what i was told that .40 ammo costs more than 9mm and .45acp? If that is the case that's why I'm interested in 45s and 9mm. If I'm wrong ill add .40 to my list to check out
 

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Kimber has gone to shit in the last few years.

Tattered, in your price range, you're most likely looking at Glock, S&W M&P, SIG PRO (Stay away from the P250), as well as used Berettas (92 and 96 series), possibly SIG P22x series, and maybe used HK USPs. I would also suggest keeping an eye out for used (in good shape) S&W revolvers. For a new shooter, I would NOT suggest going with a sub-compact of any kind (including the J-Frame type revolvers), as the recoil tends to be sharper, and you have a smaller grip to help keep it under control. That's also why I wouldn't suggest any of the pocket-sized 380s (Plus we are likely to see extended issues with 380 ammo availability - and it's plain anemic for self defense use.)

Like I said, try out plenty of pistols, and then do the research into the ones you liked. 90 days should be plenty of time to nail down a good choice.
I was gonna say used as well as S&W...Their old stuff is solid. I have not shot one newer than '76 that was not great. I hear they slipped in the last decade..but guns are like cars...everyone has their favorite brands.
 

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Also I need to add that before the purchase is considered complete and the pistol purchase permit used the background check thru the store has to be completed and the gun can only be picked up and considered purchased after that happens. Gun owners I know are telling me due to the high volume that's taking up to a 2wks to a month now. So if your background check doesn't come thru before the permit expires you have to start the pistol purchase permit process over again which takes a month. Even if you already paid for the gun in full.
 

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Thanks. Any particular models in those brands you recommend? As I said I want a full size beings getting ccw in nj is impossible (literally we have NYCs standards to get one) for the avg person I have no need to even look at a sub compact.

Also am I correct in what i was told that .40 ammo costs more than 9mm and .45acp? If that is the case that's why I'm interested in 45s and 9mm. If I'm wrong ill add .40 to my list to check out
Those brands are generally reliable and not hard to find, and most have reasonably available aftermarket parts, as well as factory parts. Personally, I am partial to H&K and SIG.

Pricing varies by area, but I have found 9mm to be cheapest, followed by .40, then .45. Any one of those is going to be horribly expensive right now, though, thanks to all the fucking idiot chicken littles buying up everything in sight.

Any one of those three (as well as .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and .357 SIG) will be adequate for self defense, so long as you use proper JHP ammo.
 

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Also I need to add that before the purchase is considered complete and the pistol purchase permit used the background check thru the store has to be completed and the gun can only be picked up and considered purchased after that happens. Gun owners I know are telling me due to the high volume that's taking up to a 2wks to a month now. So if your background check doesn't come they before the permit expires you have to start the pistol purchase permit process over again which takes a month. Even if you already paid for the gun in full.
That might be due to state issues, but the longest you can be held by the federal system is 72 hours (if I remember right, anyway - might be 5 business days). If they don't call the gun store back by the end of the hold, you're considered good to go.
 

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Those brands are generally reliable and not hard to find, and most have reasonably available aftermarket parts, as well as factory parts. Personally, I am partial to H&K and SIG.

Pricing varies by area, but I have found 9mm to be cheapest, followed by .40, then .45. Any one of those is going to be horribly expensive right now, though, thanks to all the fucking idiot chicken littles buying up everything in sight.

Any one of those three (as well as .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and .357 SIG) will be adequate for self defense, so long as you use proper JHP ammo.
Thank you for all the info. I will be looking into all of those. I dont know if im allowed to own Jacketed Hollow Points in NJ i will have to check on that.

On the subject of ammo i know there is good ammo and shit ammo. Are there any brands or types of ammo you personally would never ever recommend. Like any brand or type made by a brand that would cause problems? Also what would recommend for range ammo? Something thats not gonna gum up the works after 50rds. I would like to hit the range a lot to get practice once i settle on a pistol.
 

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All my friends were telling me to buy a Kimber 1911..my dad gave me his Remington 1911...I fired both and was unimpressed by the Kimber...It jammed 3 times in 100 rounds where the Remington jammed once. I didn't like the feel of it in my hand either..but I am a leftie and grew up on the Remington...go shoot a few different types to see what works best for you. ..
I've heard mixed reviews of Kimbers lately also. I bought mine in 2006 and have shot probably 1500 or more rounds through it with no problem.
 

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Thank you for all the info. I will be looking into all of those. I dont know if im allowed to own Jacketed Hollow Points in NJ i will have to check on that.

On the subject of ammo i know there is good ammo and shit ammo. Are there any brands or types of ammo you personally would never ever recommend. Like any brand or type made by a brand that would cause problems? Also what would recommend for range ammo? Something thats not gonna gum up the works after 50rds. I would like to hit the range a lot to get practice once i settle on a pistol.
JHP is legal in NJ, just not in public - at least to my understanding.

Range ammo depends on what YOUR gun will tolerate. Some will eat anything, some will not. If you buy a Glock, do NOT shoot solid lead bullets. If you buy an HK, do NOT shoot aluminum-cased ammo. When in doubt, read the manual.

A well made handgun should still run well, even when dirty. I've seen some Glocks that should have been classified as bio hazards, yet they still ran like tops.

That said, cleaning your average modern pistol is not that hard, unless you're a neat freak. Swab the barrel, wipe down the slide and frame rails, wipe down everything else, grease the rails, and oil the springs. There are rare exceptions, like my H&K P7, which has to have specific cleaning work done no more than every 500 rounds.
 

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I've heard mixed reviews of Kimbers lately also. I bought mine in 2006 and have shot probably 1500 or more rounds through it with no problem.
They went to shit about 3-4 years ago.
 

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In that price range you're not going to be able to get a new Sig or H&K so consider used models

You can get a new Steyr M series for around $500, by far the most comfortable handgun I've ever used
 

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I've heard mixed reviews of Kimbers lately also. I bought mine in 2006 and have shot probably 1500 or more rounds through it with no problem.
It felt like I was shooting a showpiece..and I like simple weapons..what is with people putting add ons like they are cars in Fast and Furious movies?
 

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JHP is legal in NJ, just not in public - at least to my understanding.

Range ammo depends on what YOUR gun will tolerate. Some will eat anything, some will not. If you buy a Glock, do NOT shoot solid lead bullets. If you buy an HK, do NOT shoot aluminum-cased ammo. When in doubt, read the manual.

A well made handgun should still run well, even when dirty. I've seen some Glocks that should have been classified as bio hazards, yet they still ran like tops.

That said, cleaning your average modern pistol is not that hard, unless you're a neat freak. Swab the barrel, wipe down the slide and frame rails, wipe down everything else, grease the rails, and oil the springs. There are rare exceptions, like my H&K P7, which has to have specific cleaning work done no more than every 500 rounds.
ah ok. I did not know that it varied from gun to gun. Good to know.
 

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It felt like I was shooting a showpiece..and I like simple weapons..what is with people putting add ons like they are cars in Fast and Furious movies?
My model is the Stainless II, which is a base model and that's the way I kept it.