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Louisiana's bold bid to privatize schools

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Party Rooster, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Guess they had to do something...

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    Great question:
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    Oh, you mean the gubment's paying for it? Price just went up!
     
  2. domelogic

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    In the end wont it save them money just based on pensions and healthcare? If all the states addressed those two issues with gov employees we wouldnt be in this situation.
     
  3. The Godfather

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  4. Psychopath

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    Whoever put the damned text covering the fucking data info is fucking stupid.
     
  5. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    Because privatizing prisons has worked out so well.......

    Good Luck Bro!
     
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  7. whiskeyguy

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    Yeah, the last thing we want are private schools that try to keep children enrolled at all costs.:action-sm

    The public school system is a fucking joke. This might end up being a joke also, but at least they're giving it a shot. It will definitely limit the power of unions, and by creating competition you'll have schools fighting to both provide the best education and do so at the cheapest price.
     
  8. BIV

    BIV I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.

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    It'll give state funding to idgets who want to teach that Jesus rode dinosaurs like it is history.
     
  9. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    I've got a couple problems with vouchers. First of all, wouldn't using taxpayer dollars on a parochial (religous) education be a violation of the First Amendment? I think the number is about 85% of all private schools have some sort of religious curriculum. While you might not care if some Catholic or Baptist schools get some taxpayer dollars, you can bet there will be an uproar if Muslim Sharia schools start popping up everywhere.

    Second, the problem with vouchers are they create an artificial market. Right now they seem like a good deal since public and private school costs are about the same, but what happens when demand for a product outstrips supply? You end up with an inflated market for education on all levels.

    Finally, this most likely won't lead to public schools becoming more competitive to attract students. They will likely be the "dumping ground" for the students unable to afford the difference in costs, and the reduced amount of available tax dollars going to public schools will lead to an even shittier environment than already exists there.
     
  10. whiskeyguy

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    No, because children aren't forced to go to those schools. In fact, even with vouchers here in California, it often is still a sacrifice because it costs more than the vouchers cover... it would be personally cheaper (not collectively cheaper) to send kids to public schools, since you're paying those taxes anyway. More options are almost always a good thing.

    If the demand for private schools goes up (thus making the demand for public schools go down), you simply move more funds to the private sector. Cuts jobs and services in the public sector to reflect demand. The initial transition probably would be expensive, but over time I absolutely believe the private sector can operate more efficiently than the public sector.

    The ultimate goal should be to make public schools more "privatized"... they will act more like a business in that they have to budget more efficiently based on demand. Their monopoly would be eliminated, which means compete or fail. You would have a point here if public school were already great places to educate children, but they're not. I think it costs around $10,000 per student, per year to educate a child. That seems obnoxiously high for the education they are getting, and a lot of that is going to inflated administrative costs, salaries, pensions, & other benefits for the teachers.

    Privatizing schools will also eliminate the flawed tenure system. In some states, a teacher receives tenure after two years, which is ridiculous. The teachers should have to compete for their jobs as much as the schools would be competing for students.
     
  11. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    Children aren't forced to go to a religious school, but in many areas, that may be the only option. Not every town has a wide selection of private schools to choose from. Should the Catholic church (for example) be entitled to a big influx of cash courtesy of the Government, simply because they are the only private game in town?

    Then there needs to be some accountability. Private schools are not held to the same standard as public schools, which may account for some of the differences. Also private schools have the ability to accept or reject students based on arbitrary criteria. Public schools do not have this ability.

    Again this will never happen because public schools do not have the luxury to decide what students attend their schools. Public schools must be flexible and the curriculum needs to be managed to accommodate a wide variety of students and backgrounds, from honor roll to future inmates. This has nothing to do with "tenure" or "unions" and everything to do with the nature of the beast that is society today.
     
  12. whiskeyguy

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    Then go to a public school. The cash itself is from taxpayers, and if they would rather spend it on a private Catholic institution than a public school, they should have that option. Government funds belong to us, not the government, and if there are alternatives to government options, we should have the ability to utilize them.

    Private schools are often held to a higher standard than public schools, because they have to compete for students/money. Also, if private schools have certain criteria, kids will have to work hard to get into private schools if they are motivated, or settle for a public school. Is it better to have a bunch of private schools with motivated children receiving a great education, or a bunch of public schools where everyone is receiving a sub-par (and still more expensive) education?

    Then wouldn't it make sense to split up the demand to educate among different organizations? Private schools can have certain criteria based on motivation/intelligence, and public schools can focus more on the children who aren't motivated and/or learn slower. This just reduces the financial hardships associated with private schools... meaning families can focus more on qualifying for a private education based on their children's capabilities.

    Here's a simplified example. If you have $5,000 a year voucher, you pick a list of schools and apply to them. If you can't get into any of the private schools, you give your voucher to the public school, and they educate your child. Or if you're a die hard atheist and there are only religious private schools, you send your kid to the public school. Now the least capable kids will still be in the public school system (where they are anyway), but the most capable kids won't be held down by the public school system based solely on financial restraints. They enter into a market where schools are competing against each other, thus trying to provide the best service at the most affordable price.
     
  13. MagicBob

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    I cant ever recall private schools being characterized as "cheap".

    huh... my bad.

    book fees, turning lights on fees, not molesting MY child fees (only at catholic schools :D)...
     
  14. Don the Radio Guy

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    Sure didn't take long for that old gag to come out.

    This is a real concern. Look at what subsidies have done to college tuition. I'm not sure how to avoid this without completely privatizing education.

    Too bad. We gotta do something to save the kids that can be saved.
     
  15. Begbie

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    As long as these kids know that they can't criticize anything about the President because he's President, but they can bash a Presidential candidate for picking on some kid when he was in high school...we're good.
     
  16. whiskeyguy

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    Private schools don't seem cheap because you pay out of pocket, unlike public schools which are funded out of government accounts (but we're still footing the bill). Like I said before, I think it cost on average $10,000 per student, per year in American public schools. Private schools can educate kids for less money, and probably provide a better education.
     
  17. Party Rooster

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    Fixed.

    SCOTUS has ruled that it's not, and I don't really have a problem with it. Will love it when madrassas start popping up in Louisiana looking for their cut.

    There still needs to be some sort of standardized state-approved curriculum. To have a kid graduate from high school without ever being introduced to at least the "theory" of evolution in 2012 is unacceptable. And here's your biology curriculum...
    http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php/143187-WTFChristianBiology
     
  18. MayrMeninoCrash

    MayrMeninoCrash Liberal Psycopath

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    All of this assumes that you have several potential private schools with plenty of openings for new students. I live in a town of 60k and I believe there is one Montessori school (that I think goes to 5th grade) and a Christian school that goes to 8th grade. I'm guessing you being out in the sticks don't even have that many to choose from. How does a voucher program help out? Seems like it would just be a handout to the parents who are already able to afford private schooling, thus defeating the purpose of vouchers "creating a level playing field". Perhaps in time the market might dictate that more private schools open in an area to serve the needs of the community, but by that time the market fundamentals for an education might be skewed.
     
  19. whiskeyguy

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    1) I have an issue calling it a "hand out" to people who can already afford private schools. Those people are also the ones most likely paying property, state, and federal taxes. Hand outs are giving something to someone who doesn't contribute (ironically this voucher system is actually giving a type of hand out - the chance to go to a private school - to poor families). If anything receiving a voucher is more like a refund on services not rendered, since they aren't using the public school system for which they are paying for (in addition to the cost of the private education their children receive).

    2) You're right in that there might be a rocky transition phase. However, eventually schools will realize the income potential, and expand to meet demand. If you have a kid going into high school next fall, you may very well not find a spot in a private school to send them to, and they will be stuck in public schools. However, in ten years it will change so that more spots in private schools are available. We can't be afraid to make somewhat drastic changes to our failing systems... it's difficult to do, but better than sticking with a failing system simply because it doesn't "rock the boat".

    3) People like me in a rural area would definitely have issues finding private schools, because the demand is low... even with vouchers. However, that just means that the majority of people will continue going to a public school, and that public school receives funding based on enrollment... so essentially the exact same system we have now. Also public schools in rural areas like mine are often better than schools in cities anyway, so people like my parents may still be content sending their kids to one.

    4) The main point here is you should have a choice as to where you send your kid, and if you don't use the public school system your child's portion of those funds should go to their actual education. And this does level the playing field, because currently only rich people can send their kids to private schools... the people that subsidize public schools AND spend disposable income on private schools. Now people who are poorer and don't have that option will still get the "free" education from the taxpayers, yet they can get that education from wherever they want (as long as the kids meet the qualifications of that private school), and will probably receive a better education at a value compared to public schools.

    Our current system sucks, why not have the balls to experiment with something new?
     
  20. gorram

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    Regardless of how we try to fix it, there is no doubt that federal, state and other local governments are botching education. Unions are certainly part of the problem, last year watched a handful of docs on netflix on teachers unions and some cases of some great charter schools.

    Waiting for Superman
    The Cartel
    The Lottery

    I would imagine that Liberal/Progressive leaning people probably disagree with most of whats presented in these but its hard to deny that we need to start to get a grip on our piss poor public education.
     
  21. Your_Moms_Box

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    For every good Private/Charter school, there are 10 horrible ones.

    I know in delaware there are at least a dozen charter schools that are essentially get rich quick schemes by "pastors" in certain "communities"


    Unless private/charter schools are held to the same standards as public schools this idea is bullshit.
     
  22. whiskeyguy

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    I have no problem with requiring minimal curriculum standards set by the state... use some type of accreditation process.
     
  23. DanaReevesLungs

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    My cousin is flipping her shit because of this. She learned about a month ago that her precious little angels Parochial school will be accepting these vouchers. Tuition for her two dipshit kids to that school is $10,000 a year per child. So, because she can't stand having her children mixed in with the inner city youth, she's actively searching out a school who won't accept the vouchers.
     
  24. whiskeyguy

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    She could just go to a school that accepts the vouchers, yet costs $10,000 more than they're worth.
     
  25. Party Rooster

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    You think Mayr's kids are going to take ten years to get out of high school? :action-sm

    CLASS WARFARE!!! :icon_cool
     

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