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Marine critical of Obama faces charge

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Party Rooster, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Can't go against Dear Leader...:icon_cool
     
  2. BIV

    BIV I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.

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    Sorry, have to side with the gub'ment on this one. Soldiers cannot involve themselves in political activities or publicly criticize military or civilian leaders. Period.
     
  3. Lord Zero

    Lord Zero Viciously Silly

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    He violated his contract. Period.
     
  4. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    Yep, thanks for your service, but you have to uphold your agreement with the government.
     
  5. Hate & Discontent

    Hate & Discontent Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?

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    Yep. You give up some rights when you join the military. This is one of them.
     
  6. South Jersey

    South Jersey I told you so ... too

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    But the conscientious objectors against Bush's wars were true patriots and heroes.........MAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    Being a CO is different then bad mouthing the Commander and Chief.
     
  8. Hate & Discontent

    Hate & Discontent Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?

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    Plenty of people claiming CO status did just that, if I remember right. Their supports sure as fuck did.
     
  9. Norm Stansfield

    Norm Stansfield 私は亀が好きだ。

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    As long as he's not punished beyond being dismissed, I really can't imagine what the problem is.

    Actually, a soldier who volunteered for service being a CO is cowardice. A soldier badmouthing the President, but still willing to fight, is at worst not constructive behavior.

    The former warrants court martial, the latter only dismissal.
     
  10. lajikal

    lajikal Registered User

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    It's hard to tell whether he's actually violating directives based on missing details in the article. Sounds like he isn't, but should get a military lawyer cause he's got his leadership on his ass.
     
  11. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    *Update*

     
  12. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    I was hoping he would just get a shit duty assignment. A year of scraping seagull shit off of naval vessels, or some other shit assignment at a shitty naval base.
     
  13. whiskeyguy

    whiskeyguy PR representative for Drunk Whiskeyguy.

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    Perhaps one of the military guys could answer this... what consequences (besides being dismissed from service) would a "dismissal" carry with it in his civilian life. I'm assuming this isn't a dishonorable discharge, so is this equal to his service simply ending?
     
  14. samurai

    samurai Ridiculum Anserini

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    So much for following orders. Boot his ass.
     
  15. samurai

    samurai Ridiculum Anserini

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    Discharge types...
    Honorable
    General
    Other Than Honorable (OTH)
    An OTH is the most severe form of administrative discharge. This type of discharge represents a serious departure from the conduct and performance expected of all military members. OTH discharges are typically given to service members convicted by a civilian court in which a sentence of confinement has been adjudged or in which the conduct leading to the conviction brings discredit upon the service. It can also be given as the result of certain civil hearings, like divorce for adultery. OTH discharges can be accepted in-lieu of court-martial proceedings at the service-member's request. Persons facing OTH are guaranteed, by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the right to have their discharge heard by an administrative discharge board, which is similar to a court-martial but is not a public forum.
    Bad Conduct (BCD)
    Dishonorable

    As for civilian life, I don't know if employers can find, or know the differences between the types of discharge...other than honorable/dishonorable
     
  16. whiskeyguy

    whiskeyguy PR representative for Drunk Whiskeyguy.

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    So he's facing a OTH discharge right now?
     
  17. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Lately I've seen job applications ask the question "less than honorable discharge" rather than just simply "dishonorable discharge" more and more.

    Dishonorable can only be given with a court martial proceeding, and I don't this guy will get that. A dishonorable is very bad, can't own guns for example. Also you forfeit your veterans benefits and pay as well.

    His "less than honorable" would be worse than just having his enlistment end. The guy wants to re-enlist in July, just don't let him as his punishment. I don't really see the point of ruining the rest of his life over something like this.
     
  18. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    I think they will look at his service up until the infraction and give him an Honorable Discharge. Provided he hasn't had other problems of course.
     
  19. Motor Head

    Motor Head HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL

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    Dishonorable Discharge = Convicted Felon (civilian)
     
  20. samurai

    samurai Ridiculum Anserini

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    Or a General...

     
  21. whiskeyguy

    whiskeyguy PR representative for Drunk Whiskeyguy.

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    I agree with this. A kid from my high school class got a less than honorable discharge (I think) from the Navy because he failed a drug test... I think he said they actually smoked weed on the carrier (yeah, not the smartest guy). I see that as worse than making a political comment. Assuming he hasn't had any other problems, just allow him to finish his service with some shit duties and then part ways.
     
  22. lajikal

    lajikal Registered User

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    He got civilian lawyers instead of a military lawyer? Soo fucked.
     
  23. BIV

    BIV I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.

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    Not from the military's point of view. Publicly criticizing any CO, let alone the President, is about the worse thing you can do in the military without facing a dishonorable.
     
  24. KRSOne

    KRSOne Registered User

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    If you disagree with Obama allowing foreign powers to control the US military or anything else he is doing that goes against the constitution, the best protest is to get out of the military when you can.
     
  25. BIV

    BIV I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.

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    Hey retard, adults are talking. No matter who is in charge, the military considers this a serious offense.
     

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