Marines taking the gloves off

distortion9

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Gives me the warm, fuzzies.

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Subject: JUDGED BY 12 OR CARRIED BY 6 - USMC

Regarding the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds ("double tap") in a wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:

"It's a safety issue, pure and simple. After assaulting through a
target, we put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot cup o' Joe, falafel, and a blanket.

There's no time to mess around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on. Are Corpsmen expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative.

Hey Libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste,
fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist. It's much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are
not prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is
another reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants." It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact.

Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers. Here is your typical Marine sitrep (situation report): You just took fire from unlawful combatants (no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from a religious building, attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.

So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can risk your life and your fire team's lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Most of the time these are the guys with the grenade or a vest made of explosives.

Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already
speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad, which lets the
terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what!

What about the Geneva Convention and all that 'Law of Land Warfare'
stuff? What about it? Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a
perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary, which is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good are fundamentally the same ... Marines end up getting hurt or die.

So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and get on with the mission. If you are a veteran, then
everything I have just written is self evident. If you are not a
veteran, at least try to put yourself in the situation.

Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now, Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is really, really not easy. If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your mouth about putting Marines in jail for "War Crimes."

Semper fi.




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nikoloslvy

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oh no. and semper fi.
where is this from?
just to make this more humane...if that marine believes the enemy on the ground is a thereat...
 

THE FEZ MAN

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good
 

LiddyRules

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I'm going with fake.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
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I'm going with fake.
fake or not, who cares its the truth, were fighting an un winnable war in a region of the world that has been fighting since the beginning of time. in my mind if that bullshit letter sways just one bleeding heart liberal media fuck to change his opinion on the [SIZE=-1]Demonization[/SIZE] of America then its worth while too me.
 

Cunt Smasher

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Ask any vet,of any branch of service, of any conflict,ever,what they think of the press.
 

BIV

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Good. Semper Fi.
 

Jerry1

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If the guy is surrendering and poses no longer a threat then I don't see shooting him in the head.
However if any Marine, or anyone in our armed forces feels that the guy poses a threat in any way, then by all means blow them away.
What's to keep an insurgent from playing "possum" and coming up behind one of our soldiers and stabbing or shooting him in the back.
I am not going to judge them because I'm not there. It's not easy to see all this when you are in the middle of all of it.
 

Budyzir

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As a former squid, gotta love the grunts.

Sempri Fi bubbas!
 

Nortonsmeatytit

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Semper Fi

"Fuck you Haji..."

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h0bCRHjpsU[/media]
 

Ren5150

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We need to double tap the entire nation, fuck it, all the nations. These animals understand nothing less.
 

fothermucker

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We need to double tap the entire nation, fuck it, all the nations. These animals understand nothing less.
I swear, if you take out all indicators of nationality, far right wing Americans are indistinguishable from Muslim extremists.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
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I swear, if you take out all indicators of nationality, far right wing Americans are indistinguishable from Muslim extremists.
well yea, but we are right and there brutal savages who deserve to meet alaha
 
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I swear, if you take out all indicators of nationality, far right wing Americans are indistinguishable from Muslim extremists.
yeah maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

:icon_roll
 

stillbornstew

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a-fucking-men. i be damned if i'd treat a fucking wounded savage. my alice is staying closed for that vermin.
 

BIV

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I swear, if you take out all indicators of nationality, far right wing Americans are indistinguishable from Muslim extremists.
Oh just die already.
 

Budyzir

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Just for the record;

No Charges In Fallujah Shooting

SAN DIEGO, May 4, 2005(AP)

A Marine corporal who was videotaped shooting an apparently injured and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque last year will not face court-martial, the Marine Corps announced Wednesday.

Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, commanding general of the I Marine Expeditionary Force, said that a review of the evidence showed the Marine's actions in the shooting were "consistent with the established rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict."

The corporal was not identified in a two-page statement issued by Camp Pendleton, the headquarters of the expeditionary force north of San Diego.

The Nov. 13 incident was videotaped by Kevin Sites, a freelance journalist on assignment for NBC.

The shooting occurred when a Marine unit entered the mosque and found five men wounded in fighting at the site the day before, when another Marine unit clashed with gunmen apparently using the mosque to fire from, according to Sites' broadcast.

In the video, as the cameraman moved into the mosque, a Marine in the background can be heard shouting obscenities and yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead. The Marine then raises his rifle toward an Iraqi lying on the floor of the mosque and shoots the man.

Before the opening of the Nov. 8 assault on rebel-held Fallujah, Marine commanders told infantrymen that the rules of engagement allowed for use of deadly force against men of military age deemed holding hostile intent, even if the enemy didn't fire on the Marines first.
Link has the video that started it all.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/iraq/main693025.shtml