Middle Eastern Religious Fanatics Demand Strict Gender Segregation & Modest Dress

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Not those religious fanatics...:icon_cool

Beit Shemesh ultra-Orthodox Jews clash with police

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have clashed with police in the Israeli town of Beit Shemesh, near Jerusalem



One police officer was slightly hurt and a number of Orthodox Jews detained, say reports.

The town has become a focus of friction between secular Jews and ultra-Orthodox men demanding strict gender segregation and "modest" dress for women.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed on Sunday to end attempts to enforce segregation of the sexes.

The latest clashes came as police attempted to remove one of several signs in the town ordering segregation between the sexes.

Some 300 ultra-Orthodox residents pelted the police with stones and eggs, slightly injuring one officer, and rubbish bins were set on fire.

A television crew attempting to film in the town were also surrounded and harassed - the second alleged attack in two days on journalists.

On Sunday, a crew from Channel 2 news were attacked as they were filming, say reports, with rocks allegedly thrown at their van.

The alleged assault came days after Channel 2 aired a story about an eight-year-old American girl, Naama Margolese, who said she was afraid to walk to school because ultra-orthodox men shouted at her.

The broadcast has inflamed secular opinion, with activists planning to hold a rally in Beit Shemesh on Tuesday to counter what they say is intimidation by sections of the ultra-orthodox community.


The case of Naama Margolese has shocked many Israelis
Some ultra-Orthodox Jews will also reportedly be joining the rally in an effort to distance themselves from "extremists".

Unnamed ultra-Orthodox activists from Beit Shemesh issued a statement condemning the violence, but also accusing the media of initiating "deliberate provocations in order to make the peaceful, quiet and tolerant residents, who live their lives according to their beliefs, look bad".

Such clashes have become more frequent in Israel in recent years as the authorities have challenged efforts by ultra-Orthodox Jews to segregate women in public places.

Other recent points of contention include demands for separate seating areas for women on buses and a recent case of some soldiers who refused to remain at a performance by female singers.

Mr Netanyahu has ordered a crackdown on segregation, saying harassment and discrimination have no place in a liberal democracy.

Ultra-orthodox Jews make up 10% of the population in Israel. The community has a high birth rate and is growing rapidly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16335603
 

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Of course the BBC would flip this on its head. The truth is that Israel in its entirety pretty much shit a collective brick about these ultra orthodox and their separation. There's a gigantic scandal about it going on right now, but the bottom line is that the backlash is WAY stronger than the push itself, with giant secular protests against this shit. In fact, today an ultra orthodox Jew was fucking arrested for telling a woman to get to the back of the bus and calling her a slut. See examples here, here, here, etc.


But I wouldn't want those pesky facts to get in the way of the BBC trying to say: "SEE?! Teh other religionz is badz too!!!"
 

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Of course the BBC would flip this on its head. The truth is that Israel in its entirety pretty much shit a collective brick about these ultra orthodox and their separation. There's a gigantic scandal about it going on right now, but the bottom line is that the backlash is WAY stronger than the push itself, with giant secular protests against this shit. In fact, today an ultra orthodox Jew was fucking arrested for telling a woman to get to the back of the bus and calling her a slut. See examples here, here, here, etc.


But I wouldn't want those pesky facts to get in the way of the BBC trying to say: "SEE?! Teh other religionz is badz too!!!"
Gatekeeper!!!!!!

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Gatekeeper!!!!!!

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In all seriousness, though - There's been a ton of this stuff going on forever, but it was always pretty confined to areas that only ultra orthodox people lived in anyway, so there wasn't much outrage, but recently things just boiled over. These ultra orthodox Jews are called "the Taliban" in the press and shit.


The BBC would never say that. They'd say something much smarmier.
They would phrase it smarmier, but the message would be exactly that.
 

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Ah our Amish are doing stuff like this too

http://abcnews.go.com/US/amish-men-charged-fbi-probe-beard-cutting/story?id=15017592


Seven Amish men have been charged with hate crimes for cutting the beards and hair of Amish men in a different religious sect.

The men, all family members of bishop Samuel Mullet, Sr., allegedly forcibly restrained multiple Amish men and cut their beards and hair with scissors and battery powered clippers, injuring the men and others who tried to stop the attacks, according to a statement by the Department of Justice.

The attacks grew out of a religious feud between Mullet and the wider church, according to the criminal complaint against the Mullet family.

Mullet, as the head of the Bergholz clan sect of the church, excommunicated eight families who chose to leave the sect under his rule. His decision was investigated by the 300-member bishops council of the Amish church, which determined that the excommunications were vindictive and unfair, and overruled them.

The members allegedly began leaving the sect in 2005 because of Mullet's controlling behavior, according tot he complaint. Mullet's former daughter-in-law and son-in-law told investigators that Mullet exercised complete control over the group, causing physical injury to those who defy him, including forcing members to sleep for days at a time in a chicken coop on his property and allowing public beatings. He also allegedly "counseled" married women by having sex with them in his home.

Mullet, accompanied by his sons, sons-in-law, and nephews, hired a driver to take them and their horse-drawn buggy to the home of one of the bishops that ruled against him. They knocked on the door and told the man they wished to speak with him, according to the complaint, and then assaulted the man and his son, known as Victims 1 and 2. They then pulled and cut their beard hair. They took pictures of the results and took the pictures with them, the document says.

The group then went to another victim's house and assaulted him, caused him pain, and then pulled and cut his hair as well, court documents state.

The hired driver that took the men to committ the crimes testified as a witness against them in the complaint.

Mullet's son-in-law, Emanuel Shrock, sent three letters to a fourth victim, convincing him to come to Shrock's home in Bergholz, Ohio, and then with the aid of others cut that victim's beard as well.

Johnny Mullet, Lester Mullet, Eli Miller, Daniel Mullet, and Levi Miller all confessed their involvement in the crimes to the FBI.

The suspects are charged with conspiring to violate the Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
 

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Stay classy orthodoxers...

Holocaust survivors outraged at ultra-Orthodox Jewish use of Nazi imagery at Jerusalem protest


( Bernat Armangue / Associated Press ) - An Orthodox Jewish child, wearing a Star of David patch similar to those the Nazis forced Jews to wear, attends a rally in Jerusalem’s Mea Shearim neighborhood, Saturday, Dec. 31, 2011. Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews gathered to rally for the right to protect their way of life.

By Associated Press, Published: December 31
Updated: Sunday, January 1, 8:50 AM

JERUSALEM — Images of ultra-Orthodox Jews dressing up as Nazi concentration camp inmates during a protest drew widespread condemnation Sunday and added a new twist to a simmering battle over growing extremism inside Israel’s insular ultra-Orthodox community.

Religious extremists are facing increasing criticism for their efforts to separate men and women in public spaces, and Saturday’s protest, in which a child mimicked an iconic photo of a terrified Jewish boy in the Warsaw Ghetto, added to the outrage.

Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews gathered Saturday night in Jerusalem to protest what they say is a nationwide campaign directed against their lifestyle. The protesters called Israeli policemen Nazis, wore yellow Star of David patches with the word “Jude” — German for Jew — dressed their children in striped black-and-white uniforms associated with Nazi concentration camps and transported them in the back of a truck.

Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial denounced the use of Nazi imagery as “disgraceful,” and several other survivors’ groups and politicians condemned the acts.

“We must leave the Holocaust and its symbols outside the arguments in Israeli society,” said Moshe Zanbar, chairman of the main umbrella group for Holocaust survivors in Israel. “This harms the memory of the Holocaust.”

Six million Jews were killed by German Nazis and their collaborators during World War II. About 200,000 aging survivors of the Holocaust live in Israel.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up 10 percent of Israel’s population. In the past, they have generally confined their strict lifestyle to their own neighborhoods. But they have become increasingly aggressive in trying to impose their ways on others, as their population has grown and spread to new areas.

Extremist sects within the ultra-Orthodox community have been under fire of late for their attempts to ban mixing of the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces.

In one city, extremists have jeered and spit at girls walking to school, saying they were dressed immodestly. They’ve also battled with police over street signs calling for segregation and attacked journalists who have covered their neighborhoods. In recent weeks, a few young Israeli women have caused nationwide uproars for refusing the orders of religious men to move to the back of public buses.

These practices, albeit by a fringe sect, have unleashed a backlash against the ultra-Orthodox in general, the climax of which came last week in a large demonstration where protesters held signs reading, “Free Israel from religious coercion,” and “Stop Israel from becoming Iran.”

Rabbi Yitzhak Weiss, one of the organizers of Saturday’s protest, said the use of Nazi symbols was intentional and aimed at highlighting what he said was a campaign by the secular media against his community.

“The idea was to convey a clear and simple message: that wild incitement against the ultra-Orthodox community will not be tolerated,” he told The Associated Press. “The Israeli media’s incitement is reminiscent of the German media’s before World War II.”

One of the protesters, Yaakov Israel, told Channel 2 TV that his community feels “persecuted” by the Israeli establishment. “We feel what is being done to us here is a spiritual Holocaust,” he said.

It’s not the first time ultra-Orthodox zealots have referred to the Holocaust in their political struggles. But the sight of children dressed in garb that conjures up images of the darkest period in Jewish history was unprecedented. It sparked angry rebuttals that only exacerbated Israel’s brewing religious war.

Israeli leaders condemned the display and called on the ultra-Orthodox leadership to speak out against it.

“This is a terrible offense against the memory of the Holocaust victims who were forced, secular and Ultra-Orthodox alike, to wear the yellow star in the ghetto on their way to extermination, and there is no demonstration in the world that can justify this,” said opposition leader Tzipi Livni.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak called the display “shocking and horrifying” and a “crossing of a red line.”

The American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, an umbrella organization of U.S. survivors, expressed its “utter contempt at this disgraceful exploitation” of the Nazi symbols.

“We who survived and witnessed these Nazi crimes are particularly offended that demonstrators so blithely used children in this public outrage. They have insulted the memory of all the Jewish victims, including those who were ultra-Orthodox,” the organization’s vice president, Elan Steinberg, said in a statement.

“The Nazis made no distinction in their murderous treatment of our people — whether one was ultra-Orthodox, traditional, or nonbeliever, you were marked for cruelty and death.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ing-of-sexes/2011/12/31/gIQALTLlSP_story.html
 

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How about all those victims the 'Yids' :rap:d. 85+ busted with no names mentioned in the press.
 

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Stay classy orthodoxers...
These fuckers aren't making any friends. This is the top story in Israel today, and to say that there is outrage would be a massive understatement. And for once, the outrage is justified. Fuck those cocksuckers, especially those that use their children to make such a retarded statement.
 

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Middle Eastern Religious Fanatics Demand Strict Gender Segregation & Modest Dress
They do? Quick, let's establish diplomatic relations and send them billions in aid. Then we can organize a protest against the evil Israeli police denying them the right to act according to their cultural heritage.

Fuck the Arafat scarf, I'm wearing a black hat from now on, to celebrate different cultures and views. End the occupation, let the crazy Jews forcefully segregate their women in peace.

P.S. Now. I almost forget to mention that I want this done right away.
 

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Fuck those cocksuckers, especially those that use their children to make such a retarded statement.
I fucking loathe people that use their kids as political props.

They do? Quick, let's establish diplomatic relations and send them billions in aid. Then we can organize a protest against the evil Israeli police denying them the right to act according to their cultural heritage.
The problem isn't so much the orthodoxers wanting to observe their own cultural practices, it's that they're trying to impose it on everyone else. I hear the Amish want to go into Philly and make all the men grow their beards out and the women wear full length dresses.
 

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The problem isn't so much the orthodoxers wanting to observe their own cultural practices, it's that they're trying to impose it on everyone else. I hear the Amish want to go into Philly and make all the men grow their beards out and the women wear full length dresses.
Right. There is something called the Status Quo agreement, which has been unofficial Israeli policy since the 50's, which basically set certain religious restrictions in Israeli law. It has been loosening up in certain areas and tightening up in others, and the secular pushback has recently boiled over. There is also a lot of resentment because the ultra orthodox don't really serve in the army, and collect a lot of government handouts (allowances for families with a lot of children, for example), and not paying a lot of taxes, since a lot of them sorta live off the handouts so they can study the Torah all day. Unfortunately, since they vote like Zombies, they have pretty solid political power, because they all vote for one of two parties (depending on Ashkenazi or Sephardic streams). However, they really aren't a majority, so it was just a question of when the secular public would unite to push back, and it's looking like they are.
 

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Man... those Orthodox Jews are really terrified of the pussy, aren't they?
 

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The problem isn't so much the orthodoxers wanting to observe their own cultural practices, it's that they're trying to impose it on everyone else.
Sounds like you're not looking at both sides of the issue here. What gives you the right to decide who's right and who's wrong?
 

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Sounds like you're not looking at both sides of the issue here. What gives you the right to decide who's right and who's wrong?
I just think people should be able to dress as they wish. I guess you approve of them forcing their children to dress up like Auschwitz prisoners. Fucking fascist. :action-sm