New ID rules may complicate air travel

Jerry1

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Jan 26, 2006
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Looks like taking a trip this year is gonna be alot morte complicated this year.....

New ID rules may complicate air travel By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 26 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Millions of air travelers may find going through airport security much more complicated this spring, as the Bush administration heads toward a showdown with state governments over post-Sept. 11 rules for new driver's licenses. By May, the dispute could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes, but privacy advocates called that a hollow threat by federal officials.


Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act's rules on Friday, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.

The deadline is an effort to get states to begin phasing in the REAL ID program. Citizens born after Dec. 1, 1964, would have six years to get a new license; older Americans would have until 2017.

Chertoff said that for any state which doesn't seek such a waiver by May, residents of that state will have to use a passport or certain types of federal border-crossing cards if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

The plan's chief critic, the American Civil Liberties Union, called Chertoff's deadline a bluff — and urged state governments to call him on it.

"Are they really prepared to shut those airports down? Which is what effectively would happen if the residents of those states are going to have to go through secondary scrutiny," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "This is a scare tactic."

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act's provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Maine officials said Friday they were unsure if their own state law even allows them to ask for a waiver.

"It certainly seems to be an effort by the federal government to create compliance with REAL ID whether states have an interest in doing so or not," said Don Cookson, spokesman for the Maine secretary of state's office.

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes: The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states.

The Homeland Security Department and other officials say the only way to ensure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics such as the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

Congress passed the REAL ID law in 2005, but the effort has been delayed by opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy. A key deadline would come in 2011, when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance.

To make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, said Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant card, with the notable exception of those older than 50, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that if someone is rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked if that person tried to con the system again.

_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

_After Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks. State DMV offices would be required to verify birth certificates; check with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license; and check with the State Department to verify applicants who use passports to get a driver's license.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080112/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/secure_driver_s_licenses

Funny thing is that I was planning on flying out to the West Coast in May. Looks like I may do it in April instead........
 

Hudson

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Jan 14, 2002
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buying a new pair of shoes
 

LiddyRules

I'm Gonna Be The Bestest Pilot In The Whole Galaxy
Jun 1, 2005
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So we might be barred from going throughout the country because our papers aren't in order. Good to know.
 

Don the Radio Guy

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Mar 30, 2006
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And who is going to stop this among the candidates for president? I guess Ron Paul is probably against this but we know he can't win. So I guess our choice is higher taxes and police state, or lower taxes and police state. :(
 

HummerTuesdays

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Apr 24, 2005
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I already have a passport. No worries here.

And Don, it's only 17 states that haven't complied yet. Therefore, it isn't an issue for the majority of the country. They've already been fucked up the ass.
 

Kris_LTRMa

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Nov 17, 2006
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Honestly? I don't see why it's such a big deal.

I also don't a problem with proper picture identification being presented when you go to vote. Just because you produce a utility bill with what is supposedly your name doesn't mean it's really you nor does it mean that you're legally allowed to vote. That comes from 11 years of working on election day checking said IDs

But I digress .....
 

Ballbuster1

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Aug 26, 2002
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I don't have a problem with the idea. We have too many people
wandering around this country that don't belong here. I got a
passport as soon as they announced that they would be required
for air travel.
 

waa waa mvirus

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Sep 3, 2007
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most Canadians are now getting their passports due to the US situation. Right now we only need our drivers license or gun license to fly in country, but with the passport there is no questions
 

queeby

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Jun 12, 2004
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I will not get one of these until I absolutly need it. I can't believe that we keep handing over privacy rights. It is amazing, we will never learn.
 
Jun 2, 2005
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I'm moving to Australia... I'm certain of it.

Of course, I'm going to have to get a surgical implant with a radio chip in it before they'll let me get on a plane... How much would it be to have a coyote sneak me IN to Mexico?
 

domelogic

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Feb 16, 2005
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i dont understand what the big deal is. i mean you have to renew your license every four years so phase it in and in 4 yrs its done. besides many people have passports which should be the only identification for flying imo