New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

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(CBS News) A recently passed bill will require all cars to come equipped with "black boxes" that record vehicle data. These Event Data Recorders (EDR), similar to their airplane counterparts, will record data such as speed, brake force and electrical systems monitoring. The days of a car crash being one driver's word against another look to be history.

Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install EDRs in all new vehicles starting in 2015. The bill was recently passed and is expected to be approved by the House.
If government can force you to buy health insurance can they also force you to pay for a box that will track you? Guarantee this will lead to carbon taxes based on how much you drive.
 

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Tracking? I thought that was what Onstar was for. And a guarantee from you is like a fart in the wind.
 

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Another thing happening that was called a crazy conspiracy theory 5 years ago.
 

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And yet you willfully own a cell phone that can do the same exact thing that Onstar can. Irony, look it up.
 

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And yet you willfully own a cell phone that can do the same exact thing that Onstar can. Irony, look it up.
You always have to make it about me. Deflection, look it up!
 

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*obvious joke*..... Good luck getting one to work.

And it's not a tracker, mo..
 

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You just can't admit that the crazy CT were right again, you have to make it about me to deflect.
Im not deflecting anything, that would assume that you were coming at me with anything. I am calling you out on your stupid nonsense about carbon taxes and the fact that you were going to go down the inevitable road of constant tracking while you admittedly own a cell phone that if not in your pocket right now it is next to you that can track you within 10 feet of your current location in your mom's basement. Its ok, lady kirk, keep trying to throw haymakers when you are guilty of the "trendy" bullshit that you like to come down on everyone else around here about. You can take your entitled assumption about yourself somewhere else, no one here buys your horseshit nonsense.
 

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Im not deflecting anything, that would assume that you were coming at me with anything. I am calling you out on your stupid nonsense about carbon taxes and the fact that you were going to go down the inevitable road of constant tracking while you admittedly own a cell phone that if not in your pocket right now it is next to you that can track you within 10 feet of your current location in your mom's basement. Its ok, lady kirk, keep trying to throw haymakers when you are guilty of the "trendy" bullshit that you like to come down on everyone else around here about. You can take your entitled assumption about yourself somewhere else, no one here buys your horseshit nonsense.
A cell phone doesn't keep track of how much gas I use.
 

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i hate to break it to the tin foil hat crowd but the air bag module in ever single car has had that ability since the early 1990's ive helped extract the info, my neighbor used to have the software to do it. its kind of cool if you punch it into a spread sheet you can actually watch the crash happen buy the millisecond, also if you are involved in an accident and the police ask if they look in your car they can and will pull the air bag module and they will and can prosecute you with out a search warrant
 

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former chairman of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers and current adviser to presidential candidate Mitt Romney, wrote in a 2007 New York Times op-ed:

In the debate over global climate change, there is a yawning gap that needs to be bridged. The gap is not between environmentalists and industrialists, or between Democrats and Republicans. It is between policy wonks and political consultants.

Among policy wonks like me, there is a broad consensus. The scientists tell us that world temperatures are rising because humans are emitting carbon into the atmosphere. Basic economics tells us that when you tax something, you normally get less of it. So if we want to reduce global emissions of carbon, we need a global carbon tax. Q.E.D.


 

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A cell phone doesn't keep track of how much gas I use.
No, dummy, your credit card does that.

Oh, wait... your mom took that away after you bought two big bags of Sour Patch Kids and threw up all over her couch.
 

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i hate to break it to the tin foil hat crowd but the air bag module in ever single car has had that ability since the early 1990's ive helped extract the info, my neighbor used to have the software to do it. its kind of cool if you punch it into a spread sheet you can actually watch the crash happen buy the millisecond, also if you are involved in an accident and the police ask if they look in your car they can and will pull the air bag module and they will and can prosecute you with out a search warrant
Yeah it says that in the article I posted. I don't see how that makes someone a tin foil hat if its happening out in the open.
 

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i hate to break it to the tin foil hat crowd but the air bag module in ever single car has had that ability since the early 1990's ive helped extract the info, my neighbor used to have the software to do it. its kind of cool if you punch it into a spread sheet you can actually watch the crash happen buy the millisecond, also if you are involved in an accident and the police ask if they look in your car they can and will pull the air bag module and they will and can prosecute you with out a search warrant
Comedic how Catchphrase Kirk avoided this one. Kind of deflates everything.
 

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Yeah it says that in the article I posted. I don't see how that makes someone a tin foil hat if its happening out in the open.
Point to where.

(CBS News) A recently passed bill will require all cars to come equipped with "black boxes" that record vehicle data. These Event Data Recorders (EDR), similar to their airplane counterparts, will record data such as speed, brake force and electrical systems monitoring. The days of a car crash being one driver's word against another look to be history.

Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install EDRs in all new vehicles starting in 2015. The bill was recently passed and is expected to be approved by the House.

The National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration has been studying and mulling over EDRs in vehicles for several years, but has stopped short of requiring manufacturers to implement them, CNET reports. However, many auto manufacturers already use these devices to help engineers and mechanics perform diagnostics tests and identify malfunctioning parts.

Black boxes like these were instrumental in clearing Toyota of responsibility for the "unintended acceleration" accidents of 2009. They are also used in assistance systems such as GM's OnStar to alert emergency response services in the event of a crash.

MAP-21 will standardize which events the black boxes can record and require their installation in all vehicles sold in 2015 and beyond.
 

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A cell phone doesn't keep track of how much gas I use.
well the ECU in the car will do that for you, thats how a modern car gets 30-40mpg. the ecu records your shitty driving habits and changes the spark curve and injector pulse to compensate for it.

and i can extract that info also.

oh and thats been around since the mid 1980's when fuel injection was mandated also.
 

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Only in Jersey.

The National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration has been studying and mulling over EDRs in vehicles for several years, but has stopped short of requiring manufacturers to implement them, CNET reports. However, many auto manufacturers already use these devices to help engineers and mechanics perform diagnostics tests and identify malfunctioning parts.

Black boxes like these were instrumental in clearing Toyota of responsibility for the "unintended acceleration" accidents of 2009. They are also used in assistance systems such as GM's OnStar to alert emergency response services in the event of a crash.
Can you see that from Jersey?
 

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Only in Jersey.



Can you see that from Jersey?
And do you really not understand the difference between that and the device that FEZ MAN was referring to? Are you that dense?
 

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Guarantee this will lead to carbon taxes based on how much you drive.
What's the timeframe for that happening? 5 years? 15 years? 50 years?

This better happen before they march us all into FEMA death camps, otherwise it'll be a pretty moot point, donchathink?
 

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And do you really not understand the difference between that and the device that FEZ MAN was referring to? Are you that dense?

he is so is the retard that wrote the article, the air bag module is what makes the system work every car with an air bag has one and every one records the information. it just depends on how much info it saves and in what format. in the old days we used to pull the brake lights out and check the filaments in the bulbs to see if they were distorted, now the abs module will tell you all of that so will the stability control. they all have recordable e-proms in them

also "back in the day" we used to pull speedometers and shine a black light on them and you can see were the needle hit the dash to find the speed at impact.
 

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he is so is the retard that wrote the article, the air bag module is what makes the system work every car with an air bag has one and every one records the information. it just depends on how much info it saves and in what format. in the old days we used to pull the brake lights out and check the filaments in the bulbs to see if they were distorted, now the abs module will tell you all of that so will the stability control. they all have recordable e-proms in them
There are iPhone apps that let you read the info off your car's e-proms now. It's not like you even need a fancy reader to access them anymore.
 

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I can't download a lot of those Android apps because I refuse to get a google account.
 

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What's the timeframe for that happening? 5 years? 15 years? 50 years?

This better happen before they march us all into FEMA death camps, otherwise it'll be a pretty moot point, donchathink?