New York judge grants class-action status to "stop and frisk" suit

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Yes, you don't want to do those. You might catch criminals.

(Reuters) - A federal judge on Monday granted class-action status to a lawsuit seeking to stop the New York Police Department from conducting some "stop and frisk" searches of people outside certain residential buildings in the city's Bronx borough.

District Judge Shira Scheindlin found that a group of black and Latino residents in the Bronx could bring claims on behalf of a class of hundreds, and possibly thousands, of people at risk of being stopped outside the buildings.

The lawsuit contends that the practice, in which police stop and question people they suspect of unlawful activity and frisk those they suspect of carrying weapons, violates the U.S. Constitution.

On January 8, Scheindlin ordered that some stops related to an anti-crime program once known as "Operation Clean Halls" must be halted immediately. Officers would have to have "reasonable suspicion" that an individual is engaged in criminal activity to make a stop, she ruled.

But Scheindlin placed that order on hold on January 22, while the city pursues an appeal.

Defenders of the tactics, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg, say the police practices have helped to reduce crime.

The plaintiffs requested class-action status to ensure that any temporary ban on the program would apply to all people at risk of being stopped outside the Bronx apartment buildings, Monday's opinion said.

The New York City Law Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

(Reporting by Terry Baynes in New York; Editing by Tim Gaynor and Mohammad Zargham)
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Defenders of the tactics, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg, say the police practices have helped to reduce crime.
The Fuhrer has spoken, all is well. No need for those pesky Bill of Rights in NYC, you lowly peons.
 

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The Fuhrer has spoken, all is well. No need for those pesky Bill of Rights in NYC, you lowly peons.
For once, I agree with her. If you see some banger looking dude coming out of a building where you know criminal activity is going on, that is absolutely enough suspicion for a frisk.

It's not like they are just frisking random people.
 

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If they were doing it to white people, I might care.
 

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If they were doing it to white people, I might care.
white people would have to start killing each other at record numbers, while committing acts of violent crime against one another before you would really have to worry about. Right now the only reason they would stop and frisk a white person in NYC is if they see you in a area known for being a spot to cop drugs but even then thats rare because most cops dont really want to do the paper work for a stupid possession charge
 

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Oh and not that im one to ever side with niiggers but in this instance they are right. im pretty sure stop and frisk constitutes unconstitutional search and seizure because you are not being charged with a crime until after they search you.
 
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Oh and not that im one to ever side with niiggers but in this instance they are right. im pretty sure stop and frisk constitutes unconstitutional search and seizure because you are not being charged with a crime until after they search you.
But they are black and Latinos.. they are guilty of something.
 

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But they are black and Latinos.. they are guilty of something.
yeah unfortunately we have that whole innocent until proven guilty thing in this country
 

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Damn constitution
 

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Oh and not that im one to ever side with niiggers but in this instance they are right. im pretty sure stop and frisk constitutes unconstitutional search and seizure because you are not being charged with a crime until after they search you.
I don't think you are right. All they need for a search is suspicious behavior...like being somewhere you are not supposed to be.
 

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Being in the "wrong" neighborhood is not probable cause. Neither is dressing in a certain fashion. I don't get how their can be so many 2nd amendment supporters here and so little for the 4th amendment.
 

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I don't think you are right. All they need for a search is suspicious behavior...like being somewhere you are not supposed to be.
thats the sticky part, dont get me wrong there is nothing i would like to see more than the po po stopping every guilty looking nniger and shaking them down, but it is a slippery slope that i dont want to cross, i hope, that the same shit bag lawyers that filed that lawsuit are the same ones that are willing to stand behind me when i strap my AR over my shoulder and stand in the town square.
 

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Being in the "wrong" neighborhood is not probable cause. Neither is dressing in a certain fashion. I don't get how their can be so many 2nd amendment supporters here and so little for the 4th amendment.
i support them
 

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Being in the "wrong" neighborhood is not probable cause. Neither is dressing in a certain fashion. I don't get how their can be so many 2nd amendment supporters here and so little for the 4th amendment.
thats the sticky part, dont get me wrong there is nothing i would like to see more than the po po stopping every guilty looking nniger and shaking them down, but it is a slippery slope that i dont want to cross, i hope, that the same shit bag lawyers that filed that lawsuit are the same ones that are willing to stand behind me when i strap my AR over my shoulder and stand in the town square.
I'm not saying I agree, but I think courts have sided with police on this issue before. Kinda like hearing a strange noise from inside a house.

Maybe we can just search three out of every five?
 

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Being in the "wrong" neighborhood is not probable cause. Neither is dressing in a certain fashion. I don't get how their can be so many 2nd amendment supporters here and so little for the 4th amendment.
Ugh... it's this kind of thinking that has 80-year-old white ladies being patted down at airports.

Profiling isn't a dirty, racist tool of oppression. It's an "educated guess" and an extremely effective method of police work.
 

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
AKA, the other part of the constitution that the cunt Bloomberg wipes his feet on when he gets into his body guarded home and limo.
 

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Ugh... it's this kind of thinking that has 80-year-old white ladies being patted down at airports.

Profiling isn't a dirty, racist tool of oppression. It's an "educated guess" and an extremely effective method of police work.
That doesn't make it constitutional. You need probable cause. You can't just say in my experience people who look like you are often guilty so please step out of the car.
 

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Oh and not that im one to ever side with niiggers but in this instance they are right. im pretty sure stop and frisk constitutes unconstitutional search and seizure because you are not being charged with a crime until after they search you.
Exactly. Stop and frisk is not constitutional.
 

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Exactly. Stop and frisk is not constitutional.
not even slightly, and remember this is coming from someone one that wants public executions and the heads of congress on pikes lining Pennsylvania avenue
 

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That doesn't make it constitutional. You need probable cause. You can't just say in my experience people who look like you are often guilty so please step out of the car.
I'll accept the argument that profiling may be unconstitutional(ish), but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work, or it's unfair to minorities.

Profiling does work, and the savages don't play fair, so fuck 'em, and fuck their rights. I know the Alex Jonesians will start hemming and hawing about tyranny and slippery slopes right about now, and if it was happening to white people, I might care about that too... until then... don't give a turkey.