North Korea rocket appears to have broken up

BIV

I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.
Apr 22, 2002
78,485
27,315
898
Seattle
#1
Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN) -- Defying warnings from the international community, North Korea launched a long-range rocket on Friday, but it appears to have broken apart before escaping the earth's atmosphere, officials said.
No element of the rocket reached space, said a U.S. official, who based that conclusion on data collected by the United States from its first few moments aloft.
The failure was corroborated by a South Korean official, South Korea's Yonhap News reported.
The U.N. Security Council will meet Friday on the launch, two U.N. diplomats and a U.S. official told CNN.
The U.S. official said that, despite the launch's failure, "it will not change our response."
"This was supposed to be associated with (Kim Jong Un's) ascension to power. So for this thing to fail ... is incredibly embarrassing," said Victor Cha, former director of Asian affairs for the U.S. National Security Council and now a Georgetown University professor.

Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura said the rocket remained in the air for slightly more than a minute, then fell into the ocean. It did not affect Japanese territory, he said.
After the failure, the Japanese government held a security meeting.
The launch occurred at 7:39 a.m. Friday, both Yonhap and YTN reported, citing South Korean officials.
Immediately afterward, the South Korean military dispatched helicopters and ships in an attempt to find debris related to the rocket launch, according to YTN.
Tokyo, which had threatened to shoot down the rocket if it appeared to be threatening its territory, had called for restraint. But Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said Thursday, "We are fully prepared to deal with any contingency," according to the news agency Kyodo.
When is a missile not a missile?
The United States, South Korea and other countries see the launch as a cover for a ballistic missile test. International leaders had urged North Korea to cancel the launch, but Pyongyang refused to back down, insisting the operation is for peaceful purposes.
The North Koreans have said the rocket was needed to launch a weather satellite into orbit.
"The wise thing would be for North Korea to avoid this provocative and ill-considered action, which is in blatant violation of international law and their international obligations," said U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, who currently holds the U.N. Security Council's rotating presidency, prior to the launch.
At the United Nations, diplomats had warned that Pyongyang would face further isolation if it went ahead.
In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney had said the launch would be a "significant and clear demonstration of bad faith" on the part of the North, making it impossible for the United States to follow through on the food-aid deal.
South Korea described the planned move as a "grave provocation" and said it would respond with "appropriate countermeasures." Meanwhile, the Philippines and South Korea ordered commercial planes and fishing boats to stay clear of the rocket's proposed path.
"This launch will give credence to the view that North Korean leaders see improved relations with the outside world as a threat to the existence of their system," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said this week. "And recent history strongly suggests that additional provocations may follow."
A recent report from South Korean intelligence officials said that North Korea is planning a new nuclear test in the area where it staged previous atomic blasts.
The South Korean intelligence report noted that the two previous rocket launches that Pyongyang said were intended to put satellites into orbit were followed a few weeks or months later by nuclear tests.
Rocket launch may provide intelligence windfall
The last time Pyongyang carried out what it described as a satellite launch, in April 2009, the U.N. Security Council condemned the action and demanded that it not be repeated.
Vitaly Churkin, Russia's U.N. ambassador, told reporters outside the Security Council chambers that members don't have "clear agreement" about what steps to take if the launch goes ahead. "But one thing I can tell you: We have unanimity of understanding that if it were to happen, that would be a clear violation of two Security Council resolutions."
And Rice warned, "Every time they go down a path such as this, their isolation intensifies, the needs of their people increase and they become more and more out of the bounds of the international community. That will be the case if they do so."
Meanwhile, Chinese Ambassador Li Baodong said countries need "to do everything possible to defuse tension rather than inflame the situation there." China is North Korea's leading ally.
The launch came amid North Korean preparations to mark the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea who ruled the Communist state for more than four decades. His birthday on April 15, known as the "Day of the Sun," is a key public holiday.
On Wednesday, North Korea's ruling Workers' Party held a special conference that helped firm up the position of Kim's grandson, Kim Jong Un, the secretive state's new leader.
Korean television showed a somber Kim standing beneath two towering statues of his grandfather and his late father, Kim Jong Il, while receiving applause from party functionaries and the military. Kim Jong Il was given the title of "eternal general secretary" of the Workers' Party, while Kim Jong Un was named the party's first secretary.
The title appears to be a newly created position that sets the stage for a virtual coronation of Kim Jong Un, says North Korea watcher Jonathan Pollack of the Washington-based Brookings Institution.
"Creating this new position is sort of like retiring a jersey number for a famous baseball player," Pollack said. "It shows a deference to his father and to the old guard, while still cementing his control on power."
North Korea announced other titles for Kim Jong Un, including making him a member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission.
Kim Jong Un was already being described as the supreme leader of the party, state and army. But it is unclear how directly the young Kim, thought to be in his late 20s, is involved in policy decisions.
The leadership transition bears similarities to the previous transfer of power from one generation of the Kim family to another.
"Kim Jong Il is now venerated at the same level as his father, buried in the same tomb, and they are making statues of them riding together on horseback," Pollack said.
"But Kim Jong Un never got the on-the-job training his father did, so he may have this title to allow some mentoring or sharing power and decisions with his elders."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/index.html
 

mills

I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness
Jan 30, 2005
13,849
638
628
Flea Bottom
#2
My jaw dropped because I missed the word 'rocket' in the title.
 

lajikal

Registered User
Aug 6, 2009
15,741
3,826
328
#3
'Tarded commie fucks.
 

VMS

Victim of high standards and low personal skills.
Apr 26, 2006
10,309
2,650
586
#4
This is the regime that President Obama wanted to open up more talks with.

This is the regime President Obama has given billions in aid to, because they promised that they weren't trying to build a nuke anymore.

Look, I'm not an isolationalist here. Under "normal" circumstances with totalitarian regimes, you don't close the door. You keep talking to them, and you fucking flood them with good old fashioned USA bullshit. You feed them the Kardashians, you feed them Survivor, you feed them Lost, you feed them Star Trek, etc., etc. You corrupt their regime from within with rock 'n roll. That's how I believe we should deal with Cuba.

North Korea ain't like that. That country is on lockdown. The regime has so much control that you can't squeeze American culture to them. This isn't like getting the old Soviet teenagers to start loving blue jeans and Western music. We simply can't get into North Korea, even if we "open" them up, to push our shit to them. The only way we can negotiate with them is when other parties that actually have a little leverage with them (ie- China) are at the table and on our side. Otherwise, isolate them, let the millions of North Koreans starve, and North Korea will eventually either get rid of the Kims or it'll open up on its own.

And slightly OT, but these tunnels are just funny to me for some reason.
 

Creasy Bear

gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh
Donator
Mar 10, 2006
48,421
36,453
628
In a porn tree
#6
Fucking shitbags pissing away millions of dollars to pop off crappy failboat rockets in a backfired attempt to make their tiny dicks look bigger... all while their people are starving.

I fucking haaaaaate the fucksticks that run that country and I despise the asshole Chinese for creating the entire shit sump that is North Korea.
 

Creasy Bear

gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh
Donator
Mar 10, 2006
48,421
36,453
628
In a porn tree
#7
And slightly OT, but these tunnels are just funny to me for some reason.
The Third Tunnel of Aggression

Reminds me of a crazy broad I used to bang when I lived in San Diego. Liked it hard in the keister she did.
 

THE FEZ MAN

as a matter of fact i dont have 5$
Aug 23, 2002
41,784
9,214
768
#9
is anyone surprised it fell apart? really? ever try to put an aftermarket chink fender on your car?
fuck em, let them wave there little dicks around all they want
 

whiskeyguy

PR representative for Drunk Whiskeyguy.
Donator
Jan 12, 2010
36,347
21,959
398
Northern California
#10
is anyone surprised it fell apart? really? ever try to put an aftermarket chink fender on your car?
fuck em, let them wave there little dicks around all they want
It'd almost be better off to just say you have the rockets and not show anyone, than to display incompetency at building them to the world.
 

Stig

Wackbag's New Favorite Heel
Jul 26, 2005
80,681
4,436
558
NH
#13
Maybe it broke up because Yoko Ono was... oh fuck it.
 
Aug 11, 2005
27,637
4
51
#14
Or Valerie Bertinelli

but that's just me
 

mills

I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness
Jan 30, 2005
13,849
638
628
Flea Bottom
#15
This is the regime that President Obama wanted to open up more talks with.

This is the regime President Obama has given billions in aid to, because they promised that they weren't trying to build a nuke anymore.
Fucking shitbags pissing away millions of dollars to pop off crappy failboat rockets in a backfired attempt to make their tiny dicks look bigger... all while their people are starving.

I fucking haaaaaate the fucksticks that run that country and I despise the asshole Chinese for creating the entire shit sump that is North Korea.
One of these things...

Is that just the standard for how you ingratiate yourself around here these days?

Wait. I'll back up.

This is the regime that President Obama wanted to open up more talks with.

This is the regime President Obama has given billions in aid to, because they promised that they weren't trying to build a nuke anymore.
Look, I'm not an isolationalist here. Under "normal" circumstances with totalitarian regimes, you don't close the door. You keep talking to them, and you fucking flood them with good old fashioned USA bullshit. You feed them the Kardashians, you feed them Survivor, you feed them Lost, you feed them Star Trek, etc., etc. You corrupt their regime from within with rock 'n roll. That's how I believe we should deal with Cuba.

North Korea ain't like that. That country is on lockdown. The regime has so much control that you can't squeeze American culture to them. This isn't like getting the old Soviet teenagers to start loving blue jeans and Western music. We simply can't get into North Korea, even if we "open" them up, to push our shit to them. The only way we can negotiate with them is when other parties that actually have a little leverage with them (ie- China) are at the table and on our side. Otherwise, isolate them, let the millions of North Koreans starve, and North Korea will eventually either get rid of the Kims or it'll open up on its own.
One of these things is not like the other.

What the fuck!? is it? Is it not a worthy CE post until you take a shot at Obama??

(thp since I know you're off your meds lately and might not pick it up, you should understand I quoted you to provide an example of the "sane" post)
 

Creasy Bear

gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh
Donator
Mar 10, 2006
48,421
36,453
628
In a porn tree
#16
One of these things...

Is that just the standard for how you ingratiate yourself around here these days?

Wait. I'll back up.





One of these things is not like the other.

What the fuck!? is it? Is it not a worthy CE post until you take a shot at Obama??

(thp since I know you're off your meds lately and might not pick it up, you should understand I quoted you to provide an example of the "sane" post)
What the fuck are you on about now?
 

mills

I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness
Jan 30, 2005
13,849
638
628
Flea Bottom
#17
You do know what the phrase one of these things is not like the other means.

You're a bright boy. You'll figure it out.
 

Creasy Bear

gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh
Donator
Mar 10, 2006
48,421
36,453
628
In a porn tree
#18
You do know what the phrase one of these things is not like the other means.

You're a bright boy. You'll figure it out.
I don't even give a shit about "figuring it out". Just post whatever you have to say about the topic in whatever thread you're posting in and stop whatever looney mission you're on to prove whatever looney point you're trying to make. I'm off my meds? Dude... you're like a crazy person with this shit.

It's exhausting. Stop it.
 

VMS

Victim of high standards and low personal skills.
Apr 26, 2006
10,309
2,650
586
#19
One of these things is not like the other.

What the fuck!? is it? Is it not a worthy CE post until you take a shot at Obama??
Actually, my comments are completely consistent if you care to actually engage your brain and think about what I said.

I am not an isolationalist. From the US perspective, mind you: I'm not trying to advise North Korea on how to run their country. My personal preference on international affairs is to open up with and trade heavily with countries the US doesn't typically get along with. Using my previous example of Cuba, the best way to get Cuba to install a government we would prefer would be to trade with Cuba, ship in gigatons of American crap and turn them into what they used to be: an American lapdog <100 miles from Miami.

Is also noted that strategy does not, could not, would not work with North Korea. North Korea is on lockdown. There are differing levels of totalitarian regimes, and North Korea is on the far end of crazy on any scale you care to name. It is as rigidly controlled a country as you can possibly imagine, and I'm giving your imagination a lot of credit, here.

With North Korea, we can't sell them blue jeans and rock 'n roll. The only thing the North Korean government will allow the border is food. And even then, if the food is in bags that say "donated by the US government", they'll turn the shit away from their borders.

Look, isolation is a suboptimal strategy. I know that. I'm aware of that. It's also the only strategy available to the US because of North Korea's juche policy. The other guy's strategy matters too, after all. And North Korea has effectively checkmate the most effective US tool in toppling crazy fucktard regimes: US pop culture.

North Korea's strategy has left the US with 3 main options:
1.) Ignore and isolate North Korea.
2.) Give North Korea lots of goodies, hoping against hope that North Korea will behave itself while North Korea proceeds to do whatever the fuck it wants.
3.) Engage North Korea in multi-lateral talks with nations that do have some leverage over North Korea and carrot-and-stick them that way. The problem with this strategy is that there's very little carrot to offer North Korea that they'd be willing to take and the only stick you have to use against North Korea they'd pay any attention to is one that you don't want to use.

I am saying option #3 is the best available option. It's a shitty option, but it's the best available. I am criticizing President Obama for following option #2 for most of his presidency, being willing to engage North Korea in one-on-one talks where the only thing being negotiated is how many goodies the US would hand over to North Korea in return for North Korean lies that they're going to be good little boys and girls from now on.

It's not that complicated, Mills. If you're too stupid to figure that strategy tree out, maybe you shouldn't be playing in this yard.
 

mills

I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness
Jan 30, 2005
13,849
638
628
Flea Bottom
#20
I don't even give a shit about "figuring it out". Just post whatever you have to say about the topic in whatever thread you're posting in and stop whatever looney mission you're on to prove whatever looney point you're trying to make. I'm off my meds? Dude... you're like a crazy person with this shit.

It's exhausting. Stop it.
:icon_lol:

Perfect.

Like a cartoon character.
 

mills

I'll give em a state, a state of unconsciousness
Jan 30, 2005
13,849
638
628
Flea Bottom
#21
Actually, my comments are completely consistent if you care to actually engage your brain and think about what I said.

I am not an isolationalist. From the US perspective, mind you: I'm not trying to advise North Korea on how to run their country. My personal preference on international affairs is to open up with and trade heavily with countries the US doesn't typically get along with. Using my previous example of Cuba, the best way to get Cuba to install a government we would prefer would be to trade with Cuba, ship in gigatons of American crap and turn them into what they used to be: an American lapdog <100 miles from Miami.

Is also noted that strategy does not, could not, would not work with North Korea. North Korea is on lockdown. There are differing levels of totalitarian regimes, and North Korea is on the far end of crazy on any scale you care to name. It is as rigidly controlled a country as you can possibly imagine, and I'm giving your imagination a lot of credit, here.

With North Korea, we can't sell them blue jeans and rock 'n roll. The only thing the North Korean government will allow the border is food. And even then, if the food is in bags that say "donated by the US government", they'll turn the shit away from their borders.

Look, isolation is a suboptimal strategy. I know that. I'm aware of that. It's also the only strategy available to the US because of North Korea's juche policy. The other guy's strategy matters too, after all. And North Korea has effectively checkmate the most effective US tool in toppling crazy fucktard regimes: US pop culture.

North Korea's strategy has left the US with 3 main options:
1.) Ignore and isolate North Korea.
2.) Give North Korea lots of goodies, hoping against hope that North Korea will behave itself while North Korea proceeds to do whatever the fuck it wants.
3.) Engage North Korea in multi-lateral talks with nations that do have some leverage over North Korea and carrot-and-stick them that way. The problem with this strategy is that there's very little carrot to offer North Korea that they'd be willing to take and the only stick you have to use against North Korea they'd pay any attention to is one that you don't want to use.

I am saying option #3 is the best available option. It's a shitty option, but it's the best available. I am criticizing President Obama for following option #2 for most of his presidency, being willing to engage North Korea in one-on-one talks where the only thing being negotiated is how many goodies the US would hand over to North Korea in return for North Korean lies that they're going to be good little boys and girls from now on.

It's not that complicated, Mills. If you're too stupid to figure that strategy tree out, maybe you shouldn't be playing in this yard.
Not as much, but also quite hilarious.

Your first paragraph in the post I was quoting was entirely about Obama.

Your second paragraph in the post I was quoting was entirely about Obama.

You're obsessed. But at least you're among friends Ricky. Most people who post in this forum are.
 

VMS

Victim of high standards and low personal skills.
Apr 26, 2006
10,309
2,650
586
#22
Not as much, but also quite hilarious.

Your first paragraph in the post I was quoting was entirely about Obama.

Your second paragraph in the post I was quoting was entirely about Obama.

You're obsessed. But at least you're among friends Ricky. Most people who post in this forum are.
No.

My posts were entirely about Presient Obama's *handling of North Korea*. In a thread about, you know, North Korea and how the world is handling them, I think a discussion of how the President is handling North Korea has a place.

It's not like this is a thread about bubble gum and I went off on how President Obama's lips are the color of grape Bubble Yum. It's not like I tacked on a comment about President Obama's tax policy onto this thread about North Korea.

This is a thread about North Korea. I discusseed how the United States Of America, under President Barrack Obama, has been handling the North Korea question. Sinced that directly relates to North Korea acting like a petulant child, I don't think I was exactly straying into Off Topic territory there, Mills.

Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2
 

Hate & Discontent

Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?
Aug 22, 2005
15,777
1,343
628
#23
Actually, my comments are completely consistent if you care to actually engage your brain and think about what I said.

I am not an isolationalist. From the US perspective, mind you: I'm not trying to advise North Korea on how to run their country. My personal preference on international affairs is to open up with and trade heavily with countries the US doesn't typically get along with. Using my previous example of Cuba, the best way to get Cuba to install a government we would prefer would be to trade with Cuba, ship in gigatons of American crap and turn them into what they used to be: an American lapdog <100 miles from Miami.

Is also noted that strategy does not, could not, would not work with North Korea. North Korea is on lockdown. There are differing levels of totalitarian regimes, and North Korea is on the far end of crazy on any scale you care to name. It is as rigidly controlled a country as you can possibly imagine, and I'm giving your imagination a lot of credit, here.

With North Korea, we can't sell them blue jeans and rock 'n roll. The only thing the North Korean government will allow the border is food. And even then, if the food is in bags that say "donated by the US government", they'll turn the shit away from their borders.

Look, isolation is a suboptimal strategy. I know that. I'm aware of that. It's also the only strategy available to the US because of North Korea's juche policy. The other guy's strategy matters too, after all. And North Korea has effectively checkmate the most effective US tool in toppling crazy fucktard regimes: US pop culture.

North Korea's strategy has left the US with 3 main options:
1.) Ignore and isolate North Korea.
2.) Give North Korea lots of goodies, hoping against hope that North Korea will behave itself while North Korea proceeds to do whatever the fuck it wants.
3.) Engage North Korea in multi-lateral talks with nations that do have some leverage over North Korea and carrot-and-stick them that way. The problem with this strategy is that there's very little carrot to offer North Korea that they'd be willing to take and the only stick you have to use against North Korea they'd pay any attention to is one that you don't want to use.

I am saying option #3 is the best available option. It's a shitty option, but it's the best available. I am criticizing President Obama for following option #2 for most of his presidency, being willing to engage North Korea in one-on-one talks where the only thing being negotiated is how many goodies the US would hand over to North Korea in return for North Korean lies that they're going to be good little boys and girls from now on.

It's not that complicated, Mills. If you're too stupid to figure that strategy tree out, maybe you shouldn't be playing in this yard.
You forgot option #4: Take off and nuke the entire country from orbit.
 

VMS

Victim of high standards and low personal skills.
Apr 26, 2006
10,309
2,650
586
#24
You forgot option #4: Take off and nuke the entire country from orbit.
Well, I was trying to keep it in the realm of reality.

Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2
 

Hate & Discontent

Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?
Aug 22, 2005
15,777
1,343
628
#25
Well, I was trying to keep it in the realm of reality.

Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2
It's only out of the realm of reality until NK decides to get stupid and cross the DMZ.